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11-28-2001, 04:58 PM
Opinions any one? K&N FIPK for turbo MKIII? what else fits...any thing non-mushroom shaped...i heard they let a lot of dust particles through. any input is appreciated
11-28-2001, 05:26 PM
i'd say just go with a K&N CAI, not the FIPK. just get the intake arm, and the K&N cone filter. it saves money and does basically the same thing. if you already have a intake, just get an adapter and get a K&N cone air filter. yeah, the mushroom ones are bad, they break off and get into your engine and everything. :mad: good luck :)
11-28-2001, 09:35 PM
Im running an Apexi Super Intake and it rocks it rates well for all the test over all the competition and some magazines have used em and gotten quite a few RWHP outta it in the 2-5 area at the wheels thats pretty good.
11-29-2001, 12:37 AM
do a search for "air intake" in the naturally aspirated forum... i have the blitz SUS intake am happy with it.... lateZ
11-29-2001, 03:00 PM
why don't you poeple just use IS300 intakes? I image that they would fit. If I owned an NA I would buy an IS300 AEM intake w/ bypass valve and be set.
11-29-2001, 03:58 PM
im interested in your intake. i hear aem's are one of the better brands for them..they keep the most dust out and even ranked higher than KN ones for the TT supra. can you tell me about it and where you got it? also is it a TT system or an NA system or just a random one that fit on?
TO WHOEVER POSTED ABOUT USING IS300 INTAKES. it doesnt work. ive check that out. the airflow sensor is not the same and that will make a difference. theres a few other things but i forget...the NA supra has the same Air sensor as the MKIII Turbo. so im sure most MKIII intakes will work. not sure if ALL do tho.
11-29-2001, 08:14 PM
My Intake came from Options Auto Saloon. I think the web address is www.optauto.com but its a Apexi Super Intake if you check out www.mkiv.com they have a comparison on all the intakes and the Apexi won hands down for gain in power and filtering so i went ahead and got that. I blelieve it is for a MKIII but it works all the same. My piping is actually from a Honda Accord Intake i went up to the local Import Shop and bought Just the Pipe from em and hacksawed the end off to fit into my car.
11-29-2001, 08:35 PM
Hey I heard that you needed longer bolts to put the MKIII intake into an NA MKIV. Where do you get these bolts and how long are they? Also I went on the Options Auto Salon website and found the Blitz SUS intake for the MKIII, does anyone have this, if so do you like it?? Thanks
11-29-2001, 09:15 PM
You can get the bolts at your local hardware store. Just take the bolts that are currently on your stock intake and ask them for a longer one in the same size.
11-29-2001, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by lawn boy
why don't you poeple just use IS300 intakes? I image that they would fit. If I owned an NA I would buy an IS300 AEM intake w/ bypass valve and be set.
if you look closely and compare the 2 intakes, the is300 and mkiv na have different MAFs. an is300 intake pipe will fit but the MAF will not bolt on.
11-30-2001, 08:55 PM
Hey guys i just wanted to let you know i infromed you wrong my intake was from NOPI (i just got coupons to them e-mailed to me) and my Magnecore Plug Wires were from Optauto sorry if i confused you but nopi has APexi intakes because thats where i got it. By the way the Blitz rated well in that test i was telling you about too but the Apexi rated better so thats why i got it but the Blitz looks really pimp with the stainless steel mesh
11-30-2001, 09:13 PM
I was over in Wisconsin today picking up the Volk LE37's that I bought from Henry - the owner of Revolution Motorsports - phat rims!!! and I bought the aftermarket 95-97 V6 Accord intake pipe for and TC was right, just a little hacksaw to the end and it was dead on perfect.
I also got this really nice K&N that has a built in heat shrould. I will have pics tomorrow...
I love my new wheels. 18x9.5 with 275/35/18 Nitto 555 in back and 18X8.5 with 245/40/18 Nitto 555 up front. Almost all brand new...
11-30-2001, 10:15 PM
i just have some question to ask. im trying to learn but im not familiar with the whole upgrade thing((im 17)). so i went to nopi and i saw the AEM and i had also previously read the review on MKIV.com about how good it is. so first off it is for the MKIII turbo, meaning it will fit((duh you've done it...but anyway)) did you need longer screws to attach this also. did you install yourself of have someone do it for you? how did you attach it to the 97 accord piping? did the adapter that came w/the filter fit on this pipe? how much did this accord piping cost?
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION....how does the MAF((max aif flow sensor...right?)) go on? does it attach to the accord pipe? if so how? iff you could go into some detail of how you did it id appreciate it. thanks. also....how important is a heat shield? did you put one on or doesnt it make too much of a difference? it seems to me that would restrict some air flow in....
did you notice a good increase in power w/the filter. im looking for ~20 HP from this intake and a greddy MX exhaust. what about sound... did you pick up any increase in exhaust sound or intake sound? :) sound is good, as long as you keep it within reason:rolleyes: so id like to pick up a little bit of sound.
thanks youve been a help to me and i appreciate it.
12-01-2001, 02:03 AM
Hey first off just to make sure its the Apexi Intake right not the AEM i dont think AEM makes intakes for our car. I cant quite remember if i used the bolts that came with it or if i got longer bolts for the intake i did do the install myself. Ive made so many trips up to Home Depot for my car i cant remember what was for what i think i did get longer bolts now though im not sure of size. For the accord piping (Thanks Frankenstein for finally clearing that up i could never remember what model it was) i kept the end that connects to the throttle body there and the end that would attach to the MAF i hacksawed off i think there was a third nipple on it that got hacksawed off with that piece cant remember Frankenstein can probably tell you since it sounds like he just did it. The adapter that comes with the filter goes onto the MAF and the MAF then goes onto the accord piping. I think i paid somewhere around 50-60 for the piping but i dont remember. The MAF is in between the Air Filter and the Accord Piping. Heat Shields are good and they can make somewhat of a "cold air" intake but i really dont know what kinda gains you can expect outta having one. If you are talking about the one that goes over the filter forget about it check out MVPmotorsports.com for a custom heat shield that might work for our cars. There is a difference with the filter and intake in sound and power but i really cant tell you how much difference. ~20 with it and the MX should be easily done and we are talking At the wheel horsepower. And i have a pic here if you havent seen it yet maybe it can give you an idea of what i did with it.
12-01-2001, 11:46 AM
Hey everyone. sorry if i confused any one...i was thinkiing apexi and writing AEM.:rolleyes: so just to clear it up i did mean the apexi that thomsoncharm and i were talking about. thanx for the help thomson, i havnt looked at the picture yet but i will in the near future!
12-01-2001, 03:33 PM
hey..... i just looked at your picture and it looks nice...i understand what you mean now. BUT..... theres one thing i dont understand...i looked on nopi...and this is what i found.. GO HERE....
if you look closely at the filter there it appears to be a cone filter.....the filter in the picture you included does not appear to have a cone shape...just a cylindrical shape... did they change the product or discontinue one((that would suck if they did))? would the cone sill fit? thanks.
12-01-2001, 09:25 PM
The Filter in the pic you have there is the new Air Filters and yes they are more cone shaped. You have the 2001 model filters and i have the 2000. The new ones are supposed to flow 10% better than the older ones so you would have an upgraded version of mine. It all works out just the same and everything still fits.
12-01-2001, 09:27 PM
i just compared your picture to my car under the hood and looked it over carefully for the setup. one question for you...do you still have the original parts from before you put on the intake. the thing i noticed has to do with the stock intake pipe((well not really pipe but you get the pic.)) that back near the part where it connects to the engine... it is less round and there is a squarish box underneath. there is a small tube..maybe 1/2 inch that runs from this boxier part of the intake pipe into the top rear part of the engine. what is this to and what do i do with that when i put the accord intake pipe in? does it just connect to the accord pipe or is there a special setup? thanx for the help..other than this it looks like the parts should drop right in.
hope to hear from ya soon.
PS. is the filter small enought that it causes no trouble shutting the hood?
12-02-2001, 01:14 AM
Yes i do still have the original parts for my car with the stock intake pipe. The squarish box you are referring to has two purposes it serves on the stock intake piping. The first one is to deaden the intake sound and the second is to enhance throttle response for the Intake. Apparently on cars with MAFs before the throttle body this SUPPOSEDLY stores air and when the throttle is hit sends it up so it doesnt have to wait fro the air to go through the MAF again. I really dont think it makes a difference. The tube you are talking about you need to put a breather on where it connects to the back of your engine. Follow the tube back from the intake and pull it from the valve cover and put a breather on it. A breather is those things you might see at the auto shops that look like a Mini K&N Filter. Just pull off the vaccuum hose and replace it with the breather. On the second vaccuum hose (closer to the MAF) there will be a nipple on the intake pipe that you run a vaccuum hose to and you will probably have to adapt it to the same size that is on there now with a vaccuum hose adapter which you also get from your local Auto Store. You can shut your hood after the filter is put on just fine. If not move it down a bit it should be fine.
12-02-2001, 10:49 AM
i used that info u gave me to look under my hood again. so i see the place where the breather would go..but it doesnt look like it'd fit unelss it was slightly off to the left..it looks this way in ur pic too..is that right? and i see the hose near the maf. its on the right side..correct?
one thing is...there are 2 squarish parts on the stock piping...one is right after the maf and it looks like the thing u told me stores the air for throttle response. there is another "squarish" shaped box close to where the pipe connects to the engine. is that what deadens sound or is this something else. How much did the breather cost and is there any specific kind i need to buy? how much does an adapter go for? also...is your MAf plastic or aluminum..cuz mines aluminum(( and i think a few years it was plastic...later years i think tho)). lastly how much difference will the accord piping make. would i just be able to put a filter on with the stock piping((for financial puprosed..being 17 and all..) and do the rest later. and would i be able to expect 10-14BHP this way. thanks i appreciate you being patient with me.
12-02-2001, 05:16 PM
i went back a few posts to when someone else asked you about an intake and you labeled on a pic of ur engine bay. will i also need a new lower hose...mine comes out on the right side just behind the MAF and in your pic the hose is comin out the left side.
93.5 NA Auto
12-02-2001, 05:55 PM
Both of those squarish boxes serve the same purpose there is two of them there both for the sound deadening and the throttle response. My MAF is Aluminum and the adapter goes for around 10-15 dollars i believe and as far as the intake pipe giving you that much more gain i highly doubt it. But i have never dynoed the car to check. Also everything under my hood clears fine i have no problems and if the nipple on the intake pipe is on the right side and mine is on the left you should still be fine but no matter what you should only have one on there.
12-02-2001, 09:22 PM
can ya tell me which side your stock lower hose came out of. if you dont hafta dig to far to find your stuff... ;) thanks for your help im probably going to order the filter tommorow. just out of curiousity did you do the piping part of it more for looks...or did you want a few extra horses and looks?
talk to you later
12-03-2001, 01:47 AM
On the stock piping i dont remember. The piping i Mainly did for sound because i like the intake sound. BUT i did it for looks too i really dont think it gave me much horsepower. If you want horsepower combine it with exhaust (this should give you a good 10-20 RWHP) and a fuel computer which i believe was rated to give in the area of 5-10 RWHP also. By fuel computer i mean an Apexi S-AFC check em out on www.mvpmotorsports.com or www.suprastore.com.
12-03-2001, 11:34 AM
hey thanks for your help. i went to a local place today and they confirmed the idea about the pipe being for looks. it seems that the piple increases air flow...but metal heats up and the air does too..so they offset...and right now i cant afford to do things for looks. im just going to get the filter and put that on.
have you ever ordered anything from suprastore.com? ive heard that they do a "sketchy" job on things.. people on the mkiv.com mailing list seem not to like it. also...wont the S-AFC make the gas mileage worse by 1-2 MPG? i dont want that right now.
just to give me an idea can you estimate from all your upgrades about how much HP you are running in terms of BHP?
good luck with that zx chick
12-03-2001, 11:57 AM
A lot of the performance things are questionable. It is kind of like putting upgraded brakes on your car when you are not a road racer. The stock ones will stop you fast enough to send you throught the windshield - so unless 10 feet of stopping difference makes a difference to you, then they too are mostly for looks.
As for an intake being for looks - that is probably an opinion based mostly on the fact that the difference is not significant. However, just from a very technical view:
1) 3" mandrell bent pipe is going to flow air much better and with less tumbling than the corrugated plastic contraption that comes stock.
2) The chrome finish of the pipe will reflect as much heat as the plastic stock set up absorbs. And the rate at which the air flows through is not going to allow it to heat up unless it is being compressed inside a hot turbo housing - so I don't buy that either.
I guess what I am trying to say is that an intake pipe is not going to get you sideways by itself. But if you put exhaust, headers, and plugs - then they all play off each other and the less restrictive piping will increase the gain of the others...
12-03-2001, 08:11 PM
i ordered my apexi power intake drom nopi today. one question... does it come with new bolts....do you use the stock ones...or did you need to go to the hardware store and get new ones? thanks.
Ps. id still like an estimate of HP #'s for your car:cool:
12-03-2001, 09:35 PM
Glad to hear you got it on order man i think you will like it. Its the stepping stone to your new "addiction" its the gateway drug hehe. Anyway on the horsepower estimates really all i have done is the Air Filter which in BHP i guess you could say it would be about 7-8 horsepower. And then i got the Jacobs Electronics Ignition System with the New Denso Plugs and New 8.5 Magnecore Plug wires i would say would be maybe 7-8 horsepower as well and at stock i think at the flywheel for a 5 speed you would be lookin at 180 horsepower so i would say maybe 194 or so at the flywheel. These are just estimates though. Then on top of those i have a Stage 3 Clutch which should reduce some of my drivetrain loss maybe putting my horsepower at the wheels for my mods a little higher then with a stock clutch but i really dont think there is much difference there it all. Definately can feel a difference between the stock clutch and the Stage 3 though. Third Gear 60 MPH Tire Barks is definately intimidating to the guy next to me. The Intake may come with bolts that are a little too short for your car and you have to go to the hardware store to get em but wait and see when you get it i dont remember. Frankenstein has a point with the Intake Pipe it all will eventually add up and the whole heat thing you can always wrap it in heat wrap, the new Super Street has a Lexus IS300 that did this. Doesnt look that good but it would be funstional for horsepower but not many.
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