Latest MKV Supra tidbits...

[FYRARMS]

The District Sales Manager for TRD, USA is here right now at our dealership.

Who wants to hear the latest MKV rumors straight from TRD?

:angel:

[MDSUPERSTAR]

We all know that Toyota is just blue balling us. Stop getting us excited. :(

[supra557hp]

its probably a whole lot of nothing huh...

[davidX]

quad turbo 4 electric motor hybrid 2 v12's 5634hp 2600lbs with blowjob machine under steering wheel?

[LIMITED]

Haha! Does it come with a standard hot chic?

[zerorecall]

ok Dan quit messing with spill already damn it!!!!

[MK4LIFE]

Don't play with our emotions dan. :finger:

[na_supra94]

:rant: come on man WTF. :cry: i want to know

[zerorecall]

Dan if you have good info :beer: is on me, but if it is bad then you need to ban your self for at least a day and you know we will flame you for it :grenade: better be good info So spill already. :) :hail:

[Xenon Supra]

Spill it.

[FYRARMS]

Here's your first tease:

a) Is there a not-yet-available RWD two-door Toyota sportscar driving around CA with a 6-speed trans, no emblems, and MFG plates?

Yes.

[Po' Kid]

I bet he's trying to see how many people will reply without him posting anything:rolleyes: .


Tell us, nukka!

*edit*

arg he posted at the same time as me lol. Ok... thats cool... but we need MORE! *moans* MORE! MORE! MORE!

[na_supra94]

:dunno: i need more info please!!!!

[zerorecall]

Ok so it has a 6 speed.... that is good it is a 2 door and rwd, ok and....

[Joe Aldana]

Turbo??

Targa??

North/South of 30K??


More, more, more please.

[jfn]

next teaser please.

[FYRARMS]

More? Okay. :D

b) Quote from tight-lipped TRD rep: "I am not Toyota. But if I was Toyota, I would want a base model MKV and a GT-type model MKV, if you catch my drift."

;)

[zerorecall]

ok so is that a V8 or turbo that the GT model has?

[Curt Aigner]

So far Dan is correct with "a" and "b" :smile:

[na_supra94]

Can we hear the rest now. I'm not a patient person and you're doing a good job at making me lose my mind.;)

[FYRARMS]

:D

More later... :finger:

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by zerorecall
ok so is that a V8 or turbo that the GT model has? Yes. :lol:

[zerorecall]

3jz? or V8

[na_supra94]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
:D

More later... :finger: :nono: now please so let me guess we have to wait another 15-20 minutes for little pieces of information. :(

[zerorecall]

yeah I have a feeling that it is going to be like this.... He holds all the keys to the info we want so let the man have some breathing room.

[hungwin jza80]

I hate you! :)


Originally posted by FYRARMS
:D

More later... :finger:


So you're saying a MKV version of something like this is rolling around CA? ;) Cali boys, have your cameras ready to go!!! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/hungwinjza80/Misc/PrototypeSupra.jpg

[zerorecall]

Yup get the camera phones ready baby. :)

[Mikey D.]

More, more....:D

[na_supra94]

I wonder what section of Cali? At least give me that.

[mystic]

:ky:

[SupraDupra_17]

as do i so i can look for it

[Curt Aigner]

:TTIWWP:

[Shostakovich33]

noooooooo just about to purchase my first mkiv and scion tC...or should i wait a year or too!!!!

DON'T DO THIS!!!

[FYRARMS]

Oh, are you guys still here? :p

c) Quote from hush-hush TRD rep: "The new '05 Tundra V8 has VVTi and gained 42hp. You will be hard-pressed to find a smoother-running V8. The Toyota V8 is super-reliable, and as evidenced by Ivan Stewart and Matt Scranton, is capable of lots of power under boost."

Oops! Did I say "boost"? :o

[Curt Aigner]

Yes, "c" is also correct..........;)

[G]

It better not come from some stupid blower.

[FYRARMS]

Blowers are stupid? That's a new one... :scratch:

[G]

So it's going to be supercharged?

[supra557hp]

Hurry up and tell us already!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all so very eager to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[na_supra94]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
Oh, are you guys still here? :p

c) Quote from hush-hush TRD rep: "The new '05 Tundra V8 has VVTi and gained 42hp. You will be hard-pressed to find a smoother-running V8. The Toyota V8 is super-reliable, and as evidenced by Ivan Stewart and Matt Scranton, is capable of lots of power under boost."

Oops! Did I say "boost"? :o

I guess i'm trading in my 00 Tundra. ;) enough said.

[BlackSupra93]

Originally posted by zerorecall
ok so is that a V8 or turbo that the GT model has?

Fyrarms did that with one of my questions also....so lets break this down:


will the GT model have a v8?

will the GT model have a Turbo?

What year will we see this car?
Will it be a 2005?
Will it be a 2006?

[Suprafied]

Fyrarms,

This is like being at a strip club and not being able to take the chic to town. You can only watch, no touching or finding out.


P.S. I sent you that alternator core back today. It has my Cell # on the box with any questions about is.

[amaners83]

come on, come on more info please. It's like i'm addicted to crack i need more.

[silvino]

I called Elmhurst too late to bribe Dan for info, fudge.

[SiFreak]

The JGTC GT400 Supras have the 4.48L 3UZ-FE engine in them.

A blown V8 would be really sweet.

*imagine the sound of a blown V8 with FLOWMASTERS. WOOT WOOT*

[Z_You_Later]

I seriously drooled on my g/f when i read this stuff. Good thing for me she likes that. ;-)

[G]

How about free beer at TX2K5? Now fess up

[bobmarley]

Is it going to be called supra?

[gLok]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
Blowers are stupid? That's a new one... :scratch:

EXACTLY! Even if they put a supercharger on it....

A) it will most likely make a shitload of power out of the box.

B) the motor will most likely be able to handle a bigger blower and/or more boost. (kind of the like the kenne bell upgrade for 04 mustang cobras.)

Very promising stuff.

[FYRARMS]

Sheesh! :D

99.999% positives:

a) It will be called "Supra".

b) 2 models will be offered, base and GT version.

c) Base = $30K-ish and will smoke a 350Z. :urowned:

d) GT = $50K-ish and will use a V8.

e) It will be sexy, and worthy of the name Supra.

f) When he sends me pictures (yes, real photos of the CA mystery car) you know I will piss off Toyota by posting them here. :lol:


Maybes (rumors from TRD):

a) F1 paddle shifters.

b) Boost? He mentioned the words "turbo" and "blower'. :eek:

c) May see it as a 2006 model offering.


Interesting TRD info:

a) They have stroker 4.7L V8 Tundra race engines on the shelf that now are like 5.4L and make 600hp N/A. They are for sale. :) MKV Supra swap?

b) The Scion tC Vortech blower kit has an optional water-air intercooler for 220+fwhp. $3K suggested price.

c) The "Volta" may be a reality, but only in Europe as a $100K offering. :mad:

[zerorecall]

Now that is good news a forced induction V8 Hum.... Now that is what I am talking about!!! Now can they pull off a good body style?

[Lintrix]

50 Grand...

are they going to put it in the toyota or lexus name?

[zerorecall]

dude read the post. Under the toyota name SUPRA.

[carendt242]

c6 killer?

[zerorecall]

Hum...lots of power is nice to have but again can they pull off a good looking body style?

[TTVengeance]

Originally posted by carendt242
c6 killer?

400hp or over at 30k - not a chance, probably more like 320hp.

The 50k version though....?

[zerorecall]

Well the new Mustang GT (2005)has 300 HP the Evo hav 270, the STI has 300 the G35 has 280, the 350Z has 275 so the logical number shoud be 320 stock and 400+ for the turbo version, and that would be inline for what toyota would do ( they did that way from the MKII to the MKIII and from the MKIII to the MKIV) So the base should be at 320 which is were the turbo MKIV was at, Just like the 220 was were the MKIII was at in the turbo model. Makes sence to move in that direction. Pluse the Turbo version has to compete with the Vipers. Vetts, and Cobras. Looks like that would put them into two market spaces, One for the the low end compatition ( 350z, evo,G35,SRT4,Mustang GT) adn the second one for ( Vett, Viper, Cobra, Porshe, R34 ..in 2006, Ect..)
So the $37,000 and under market and the $50,000 and over market... Damn that is one smooth move I think. Hitting two instead of one.


Did anybody follow that ? I barely did. :)

[OC]

Dan, are we gonna have the option of a normal 6 speed (manual) and a semi-auto 6 speed? I don't want to see the Supra with only those auto trannies...:(

But the V8+boost equation sounds mighty good!! :D Also, the fact that they are doing a base and a GT model is a very good move, for the enthousiast and the business side of things. Can't wait to see those pictures! ;) You can even send me a preview if you feel like it! I know I will send you preview pics from Japan as soon as my father's boss goes! ;)

-Olivier

[JadeFalcon]

I'm very excited about the mkV. . . but I just can't bring myself to imagine the mkIV ever looking outdated.


I feel old, and I'm only 17.

--sigh--

:D

[Por2geezSupra]

wow this is great news! I knew toyota cut the celica out of the lineup for a reason... to make room for the REAL sportscar...the MKV SUPRA! Not that underpowered celica. When do you think you'll have pictures Dan?

[amaners83]

Man this is great news but I wonder how much the MKIV's value will drop if this car comes out.

[s14roller]

best news ive heard today. Cant wait to see some pics and real specs.

[Amazing Grace]

Come on with the piccies guyz I can't waiit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MkiV's will always be cool.

[MattOneDime]

Originally posted by amaners83
Man this is great news but I wonder how much the MKIV's value will drop if this car comes out.

IMO-

If its a S/C'd car the value of the MK4 will go up..

If its turbo, you will be able to pick up MK4's for $1500-$2000:D

[amaners83]

Originally posted by Toyotally
IMO-

If its a S/C'd car the value of the MK4 will go up..

If its turbo, you will be able to pick up MK4's for $1500-$2000:D

If MKV comes out is everyone going to make fun of the MKIV like us MKIV guys do to the MK3 guys.:(

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by supdawg79
Well, since Nissan is prototyping a new motor for their U.S. Skyline, it would be fair to mention they will be in direct competition. The Skyline may very well be sporting a new RB29DETT engine, which is basically an overbored RB26. Now that's something to watch out for. I believe Toyota and Nissan keep close tabs on what the other one is doing, so it's fair to say, we are all in for some serious competition at the dealerships in the next few years. Oh man, they are both gonna be Turbo'd cars...Sh*t, the anticipation is gonna be the death of me!!!

There are already pistons on the market for 88-89mm bores on the RB26 (stock is 86) ...making an extra .3 liters from bore wouldn't be a good idea in my opinion...especially considering Nissan in development supposedly used their 'maximum displacement' theory where they tried to utilize all of the space in the block to achieve the most displacement -reliably- possible...


Dan, any idea if we would be seeing a return of the V160? While I can understand the V8, I don't know how you can improve on our getrag...

the rear end is mighty strong too...

Out of curiousity, any idea (if you're allowed to say) how much one of those race motors would run someone?? :D

[Z32POWER]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
c) Base = $30K-ish and will smoke a 350Z. :urowned:


typical

[cordova]

Originally posted by joel(pa)
typical
Don't be jealous.

[brb426]

If this car comes out, who thinks their cars will be worthless?

[SupraLB]

2006 would probably be too soon. That would give them only 9-10 months to ramp up materials, complete all testing, plants, and about a billion other things so they could go full assembly next Spring to deliver at the end of Summer. Not really feasible.

2007 is the soonest. I wouldn't rush to sell your car just yet.

[Xhmong_snomanx]

Look at the bright side. If the MKV does make the value of MKIV's go down. Looks like my garage will be filled up with MKIV's.

[LIMITED]

Not me.

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by Toyotally
.......

If its turbo, you will be able to pick up MK4's for $1500-$2000:D
I'll take six!

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
Sheesh! :D

99.999% positives:

a) It will be called "Supra".

b) 2 models will be offered, base and GT version.

c) Base = $30K-ish and will smoke a 350Z. :urowned:

d) GT = $50K-ish and will use a V8.

e) It will be sexy, and worthy of the name Supra.

.......
Sign me up!
I'll take a GT. Closest color to Alpine Silver offered.
Does Toyota take Paypal?

[Mark Conte]

I for one...don't care how badass the car is. ...In this respect:

If all is how we hope, then I'll most likely be buying it. BUT there will be no selling of the MKIV. I plan to have the (one I end up with) forever. But that's just me.

[Xenon Supra]

Maybe its me, but I don't want another Supra to come out...It is only going to make the MK4's and MK3's look that much OLDER and worse. Not that I care because I LOVE the car, but you probably won't get the same looks on the road as you used to...Stupid Toyota, I wish they would through away the plans right now. :(

[BoostedSupraGirl]

Originally posted by supdawg79
Well, since Nissan is prototyping a new motor for their U.S. Skyline, it would be fair to mention they will be in direct competition. The Skyline may very well be sporting a new RB29DETT engine, which is basically an overbored RB26. Now that's something to watch out for. I believe Toyota and Nissan keep close tabs on what the other one is doing, so it's fair to say, we are all in for some serious competition at the dealerships in the next few years. Oh man, they are both gonna be Turbo'd cars...Sh*t, the anticipation is gonna be the death of me!!!


I've seen the Skyline prototypes. RHD, the works. MFG plates. Car and driver had them earlier this year. Although, rumor from Japan has it that the Inline-6 legacy is coming to an end in the near future and will be replaced with V6 or V8's. The Skyline prototypes had Z engines in them and were badged "Nissan Skyline 350GT"

[BoostedSupraGirl]

Originally posted by Xenon Supra
Maybe its me, but I don't want another Supra to come out...It is only going to make the MK4's and MK3's look that much OLDER and worse. Not that I care because I LOVE the car, but you probably won't get the same looks on the road as you used to...Stupid Toyota, I wish they would through away the plans right now. :(


I'm with you ^^

[Crash-n-Burn]

Originally posted by SupraLB
I wouldn't rush to sell your car just yet.

I would, sell them for a low low price to me!!!!

[BlackSupra93]

Originally posted by SupraLB
2006 would probably be too soon. That would give them only 9-10 months to ramp up materials, complete all testing, plants, and about a billion other things so they could go full assembly next Spring to deliver at the end of Summer. Not really feasible.

2007 is the soonest. I wouldn't rush to sell your car just yet.

for most car companies I agree with you. However...toyota let the market know of the MKIV supra only 3 months prior to it coming out. There is already a car in california. There have been rumors of a toyota car putting laps on it for quite some time and I'm betting the car's getting put though extreme weather testing as well while its over here. If Toyota is beginning to clue people in that the car is coming, chances are its pretty close to being ready.

I love the fact they keep their stuff secret....but I hate it sooo much more. And it leads to no buildup of hype and anticipation for the product, which seems like a poor marketing strategy to me.

[Overclocker]

I just got through reading all the posts and all I can say is damn Dan, this thread has some very juicy tidbits of info in it! It might even warrant a sticky.

Now I know I need to read the General Supra section more frequently. :o

[turbomx5]

So I won't be a nay say-er, but I met with the CFO, COO, and Design Cheif of TRD today about a project we are working on. When I asked about this they pretty much admitted they had heard of a couple cars that were in existance in SoCal. One of which is a hybrid, and one was NA. But they also said that TRD doesn't have a lot to do with these projects as TRD USA has been directed to focus on racing. thier name will still be used on retail products, but they will have little to do with them. And these guys RUN TRD. I wonder where your sales rep was getting his info?

Matt

[Eggy]

Damn you Lucifer. Get those pics up ASAP!!!!!!!

[Josh97mkiv]

Xenon Supra Maybe its me, but I don't want another Supra to come out...It is only going to make the MK4's and MK3's look that much OLDER and worse. Not that I care because I LOVE the car, but you probably won't get the same looks on the road as you used to...Stupid Toyota, I wish they would through away the plans right now
Agreed

I dont plan on seeing it until i see more proof i hope they dont come out with it but if they do i will be sure to take a test drive in one at the dealerships

[SupraLB]

Originally posted by BlackSupra93
for most car companies I agree with you. However...toyota let the market know of the MKIV supra only 3 months prior to it coming out.

Yeah, but that was back in 1992, before the internet and spy photo stuff really took off. In this information age, you can't keep things a secret like that anymore.

Plus, why would they want to do that? The buzz surrounding the introduction of the 350z and RX8 was priceless marketing and really helped their pre-sales. Same way the C6 Corvette and new Mustang are being introduced. About 1 and half years of buzz and hype before the big splash.

[kaneda]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) F1 paddle shifters.

c) The "Volta" may be a reality, but only in Europe as a $100K offering. :mad:

that's not too farfetched, i hear the late model 2000+ auto supras had paddle shifters in japan.

the volta is still ugly as sin.

[kaneda]

Originally posted by hungwin jza80
I hate you! :)




So you're saying a MKV version of something like this is rolling around CA? ;) Cali boys, have your cameras ready to go!!! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/hungwinjza80/Misc/PrototypeSupra.jpg

is that the MKIV prototype? i've always wondered what it looked like pre-production. do you happen to have any of the old MKIV concept photos/drawings?

[GHXOXST]

OMFG:wackit: :wackit: :wackit: :wackit: :wackit: :wackit: :allcho:

[Hewey56]

Dan you have made me wet now, you can't just break my heart

[cordova]

nothing will ever compare to the MKIV. Not even an MKV.

[GHXOXST]

http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/4000gt.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/fe02.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/246825_13_full.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/fe03.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/supra1.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/supra2.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/toyota4500gt.jpghttp://www.ozsupra.qld.org/web/articles/concept/images/ConceptMVf.jpg http://www.ozsupra.qld.org/web/articles/concept/images/ConceptMVr.jpghttp://www.lextreme.com/pul/2005_supra_multi_view.jpg

Someone Photoshop some Concepts they think the NEW supra should include, or what WE VISUALIZE the MKV to look like!!!!

[Po' Kid]

Id honestly take the yellow one out of all of those. I think it looks real sporty and lightweight, plus like it has real good handling. It also looks cheaper :rolleyes: . Im tired of the typical supercar look honestly though. And the other ones look like all the other "prototypes" that have been posted before.

[kaneda]

the yellow one appears to be a photoshopped porsche.

[TRDV6Corolla]

I am just gonna get the ole' flame suit on and agree with TurboMX5. I'll go one further to say the official word I got from TMC...they have senior engineers here right now working on the Toyota/Car & Driver Prius land speed record car my brother is crewing for. He was told that is there is no Supra. There was something at one point and time but its since been shelved. My brother was told there was "no market". This is from TMC who were charged with developing the next generation GT class car. Calty, TMS and TRD have never had anything to do with the Supra or its development that the public knows of. TurboMX5 also is spot in in his assesment of TRD's focus and direction as well as these are the same things I have been told.


a) They have stroker 4.7L V8 Tundra race engines on the shelf that now are like 5.4L and make 600hp N/A. They are for sale. MKV Supra swap?

I am down at TRD monthly if not more often and these motors are Grand Am prototype motors. They aren't even Tundra motors exactly. The truth? they are from the Toyota ski boat days. They are not just "on the shelf" either. Every one there is assigned to some race team. So to think someone could just purchase one is a pipe dream. They would be highly impractical as well. The flywheels don't work with anthing Toyota, they are specifically designed for Grand Am use. Also due to Grand Am rules they are closer to 500hp than 600. The motors are also at most 5.2liters....they can't get them any bigger due to crankcase clearance issues. As much as I hate to say this.....either this info was misunderstood or mistated or with all due respect, fabricated.

I hate to say it but unless information is ever released directly from TMC (not TMS) we probably will never know the real details, existance or possiblity of anther Supra.

[Enzox]

Originally posted by Curt Aigner
:TTIWWP:

[Enzox]

Front or Mid / Rear Engine ? :D


Originally posted by FYRARMS
Oh, are you guys still here? :p

c) Quote from hush-hush TRD rep: "The new '05 Tundra V8 has VVTi and gained 42hp. You will be hard-pressed to find a smoother-running V8. The Toyota V8 is super-reliable, and as evidenced by Ivan Stewart and Matt Scranton, is capable of lots of power under boost."

Oops! Did I say "boost"? :o

[Martin F]

Originally posted by kaneda
i hear the late model 2000+ auto supras had paddle shifters in japan.



Tiptronic was available on Jap spec cars, IIRC from about 98.

[FYRARMS]

a) To the doubters: Remember that when the MKIV came out, we were told there "was no new Supra" as well. ;)

b) Regardless of who anyone knows at TMC or TRD, the president of Toyota (yes, from Japan) was at our new dealership grand opening dinner. When our owner asked him "will there be a new Supra", he replied with a simple "yes". The president of Toyota North America was at a similar function in Wisconsin recently. He was also asked the same question by our owner. His response was another "yes". :cool:

Guess we will just have to wait and see...

[kaosv1]

My only question is when did they stop using the Euro division to test the cars?

[Frogger]

Originally posted by GHXOXST
http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/4000gt.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/fe02.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/246825_13_full.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/fe03.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/supra1.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/supra2.jpg http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/toyota4500gt.jpghttp://www.ozsupra.qld.org/web/articles/concept/images/ConceptMVf.jpg http://www.ozsupra.qld.org/web/articles/concept/images/ConceptMVr.jpghttp://www.lextreme.com/pul/2005_supra_multi_view.jpg

Someone Photoshop some Concepts they think the NEW supra should include, or what WE VISUALIZE the MKV to look like!!!!

The white "triangular" car is a Ford concept.

http://www.supercars.net/cars/1995@$Ford@$GT90%20Conceptg.html

[F1V]

Originally posted by kaosv1
My only question is when did they stop using the Euro division to test the cars?

Since when did they use the Euro division to test US model cars???

US will test US versions and Euro will test Euro versions.

Fyrarms, thanks for the info. Been waiting for a while to hear some concrete news on the MKV.

[TOP SPEED]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) To the doubters: Remember that when the MKIV came out, we were told there "was no new Supra" as well. ;)

b) Regardless of who anyone knows at TMC or TRD, the president of Toyota (yes, from Japan) was at our new dealership grand opening dinner. When our owner asked him "will there be a new Supra", he replied with a simple "yes". The president of Toyota North America was at a similar function in Wisconsin recently. He was also asked the same question by our owner. His response was another "yes". :cool:

Guess we will just have to wait and see...

A "yes" from the two topdogs of toyota is enough for me.

[Marcus Frost]

Originally posted by supdawg79
Well, since Nissan is prototyping a new motor for their U.S. Skyline, it would be fair to mention they will be in direct competition. The Skyline may very well be sporting a new RB29DETT engine, which is basically an overbored RB26. Now that's something to watch out for. I believe Toyota and Nissan keep close tabs on what the other one is doing, so it's fair to say, we are all in for some serious competition at the dealerships in the next few years. Oh man, they are both gonna be Turbo'd cars...Sh*t, the anticipation is gonna be the death of me!!!

There already is a US Skyline. It's called the G35.

The US GTR will not be using an RB series motor. The RB is gone and will not be returning in a production vehicle anytime in the forseeable future.

My sources in Japan and elsewhere have all indications that the next GTR will have a Cosworth engineered VQ33DETT. That's right, a debored and/or destroked VQ35DE. There have already been prototypes of the motor out in various forms. I'd also expect a pricetag of $70k, and it will be sold through Infiniti. Toyota better sell a boosted Supra if it hopes to compete with the GTR.

-m

[G]

Of course Toyota is going to be selling a boosted car. What do you think the GT in Supra GT stands for? Giant Turbos....:doh:

[TheHeffNerr]

Originally posted by G
Of course Toyota is going to be selling a boosted car. What do you think the GT in Supra GT stands for? Giant Turbos....:doh:


LOL. so this means i have to get a job :( alright fine. i cant wait until they come out.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by amaners83
Man this is great news but I wonder how much the MKIV's value will drop if this car comes out.

Thats what I was wondering :( MKIV's still wont be dime a dozen, so I dont think it will influence to much.

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by supdawg79
Anybody else think an AWD Supra for the next generation would be perfection? No.

Broken transfer cases.

Broken diffs.

Broken axles.

Parasitic horsepower loss.

[davidX]

no AWD is the reason i'm ditching my VR4

Originally posted by supdawg79
Anybody else think an AWD Supra for the next generation would be perfection?

[suprahtt]

What "IF" I told you guys that the "supra" has been to jersey a few months ago. Ill just get flamed right.. well ill just stay away from this one.

Dan, not doubting you or any rumors
:D
Kahlee Ramos
Next Level Media

[Enzox]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
No.

Broken transfer cases.

Broken diffs.

Broken axles.

Parasitic horsepower loss.

:agreed:

There was some kinda recall on the DriveShaft for the Land Cruiser 4WD (4.7L) I don't know if this was found on US cars or not, even the front tires need to be replaced every 3,000 miles if hard driving like me :(

[SiFreak]

When the MKV debut, I am going to hit up the dealerships to pick up all the MKIV trade-ins :D

[IoS Nightmare1]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) To the doubters: Remember that when the MKIV came out, we were told there "was no new Supra" as well. ;)

b) Regardless of who anyone knows at TMC or TRD, the president of Toyota (yes, from Japan) was at our new dealership grand opening dinner. When our owner asked him "will there be a new Supra", he replied with a simple "yes". The president of Toyota North America was at a similar function in Wisconsin recently. He was also asked the same question by our owner. His response was another "yes". :cool:

Guess we will just have to wait and see...


My opinion is:

If they make it then they want people to know about it, so they will save up/wait for it.
If they are going to tell you, then they want people to know, and there are much better ways for people to know it exists then telling 1 person at a time.

[OC]

It's pretty simple to me. Toyota has been investing extremely big amounts of money in about every type of motorsports on the planet. They are having huge success everywhere except in F1 where, IMO, the situation will change in 2-3 years and they will be able to compete for top spots in about 4-5 years.

It would be stupid for Toyota not having any type of sports cars in their lineup to give the company an image of performance. The Celica and MRS are leaving, making room for some "serious" cars! ;)

I hope that Toyota will offer a V6 (350Z killer) and a V8 (C6 killer), 6 speed tranny (the V160 would be perfect), TRD-offered superchargers, double-wishbone suspension and big brakes in a GT format RWD car. The concepts that are the most on target IMO are the ones that have tailights like the MKIV, the front end of the old GT2000 and the side shape of the MKIV. It was the black car that someone posted from a Japanese mag.

As soon as my father's boss goes to Japan for some Toyota conferences, I will give you the details I will have.

-Olivier

[LIMITED]

Will there be hot models dressed in skimpy bikinis to help showcase the car?

I HOPE SO!!

[TheHeffNerr]

it be better if they where naked just IMO

[VeilSide935]

Originally posted by supdawg79
Well, since Nissan is prototyping a new motor for their U.S. Skyline, it would be fair to mention they will be in direct competition. The Skyline may very well be sporting a new RB29DETT engine, which is basically an overbored RB26. Now that's something to watch out for. I believe Toyota and Nissan keep close tabs on what the other one is doing, so it's fair to say, we are all in for some serious competition at the dealerships in the next few years. Oh man, they are both gonna be Turbo'd cars...Sh*t, the anticipation is gonna be the death of me!!!


Originally posted by supdawg79
Anybody else think an AWD Supra for the next generation would be perfection?

Is it just me, or is this guy a little too obssessed over Skylines and AWD? I swear, youre on a supraforums, yet the only thing ive seen you post about are skylines and skyline related topics. Why dont you just go to the Nissan boards?

[David S]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
No.

Broken transfer cases.

Broken diffs.

Broken axles.

Parasitic horsepower loss.

Also, add weight to that list. Why do you think Porsche dropped its awd with the GT2 and GT3?

[rm777]

Originally posted by amaners83
If MKV comes out is everyone going to make fun of the MKIV like us MKIV guys do to the MK3 guys.:(

:lol: :lol:

[Suprajjang]

Originally posted by TOP SPEED
A "yes" from the two topdogs of toyota is enough for me. :agreed:

[JadeFalcon]

Originally posted by David S
Also, add weight to that list. Why do you think Porsche dropped its awd with the GT2 and GT3?

I'd heard that before, but I never thought it would be a big difference. . .

'04 Turbo Coupe (AWD) - 3388 lbs
'04 GT2 (RWD) - 3131 lbs
=
Two hundred fiddy-seven pounds lighter.

Now I know they prob used other lighter parts on top of getting rid of AWD, but DAMN.

Yeah, we only need the back two. . . we don't want another boat like the III and IV ;).

[CRM33184]

what is the new Supra MKV gonna do to the value of my 94TT??


Also who's gona be the first with a MKIV & MKV in the garage?

[David S]

If I recall, the awd system on the turbo is ~120 pounds.

I hope there will be another supra. I do need a beater.:)


Originally posted by JadeFalcon
I'd heard that before, but I never thought it would be a big difference. . .

'04 Turbo Coupe (AWD) - 3388 lbs
'04 GT2 (RWD) - 3131 lbs
=
Two hundred fiddy-seven pounds lighter.

Now I know they prob used other lighter parts on top of getting rid of AWD, but DAMN.

Yeah, we only need the back two. . . we don't want another boat like the III and IV ;).

[flexysteve8]

I doubt there will be a MKV for high $$ based on business reasoning. What makes Toyota think that 50K+ Japanese sports cars will sell any better in 2006 than they did in 1998. I still think alot of people (not supra fans) would go to a vette, porsche, BMW or MB rather than a Toyota. It would be really popular for the younger people, but how many of them could afford it?

I think it would be a sales flop like the MKIV. Also who knows if the MKV will be grossy overengineered like the MKIV. Do you think they're in the office planning for the engine to hold 1000+ hp to beat the MKIVs. Wouldn't that be something if they didn't and people ended up swapping the 2JZ into the MKV because the new engine couldn't hold up.

[supra demon]

omg at last there are some news about the new supra:D :D
i have to wait more for my next sport car:beerchug:
Btw any one have any info about the TRD 4.7 racing engine?
is it for sale and what are the specs and price please give me an answer!!

[Steve Theodore]

I only have 2 questions for you Dan:

1. Do we get the option of shifting for ourselves (true 6 speed)?
2. Can we get a hardtop? :lol:

Thanks for the best MKV thread ever. :)

Steve T.

[zerorecall]

I knew it was only time before Steve posted hahahahah and I knew his question would be hart top related. :) Steve you Rock!!!!

[Enzox]

Correction

3,505 lbs Turbo Coupe 6-Spd
3,594 lbs Turbo Coupe Tiptronic



Originally posted by JadeFalcon
I'd heard that before, but I never thought it would be a big difference. . .

'04 Turbo Coupe (AWD) - 3388 lbs
'04 GT2 (RWD) - 3131 lbs
=
Two hundred fiddy-seven pounds lighter.

[GHXOXST]

STARTING TO SAVE $$................







































































NOW! :bigthumb:

[1SICKLEX]

This is great news! I hope it holds true.

[SupraSaiyan]

Originally posted by Enzox
Correction

3,505 lbs Turbo Coupe 6-Spd
3,594 lbs Turbo Coupe Tiptronic

JadeFalcon is correct. The GT2 is not the Turbo Coupe Tipronic. :cool:

[1SICKLEX]

Originally posted by Marcus Frost
There already is a US Skyline. It's called the G35.

The US GTR will not be using an RB series motor. The RB is gone and will not be returning in a production vehicle anytime in the forseeable future.

My sources in Japan and elsewhere have all indications that the next GTR will have a Cosworth engineered VQ33DETT. That's right, a debored and/or destroked VQ35DE. There have already been prototypes of the motor out in various forms. I'd also expect a pricetag of $70k, and it will be sold through Infiniti. Toyota better sell a boosted Supra if it hopes to compete with the GTR.

-m

Since it will be badges an Infintii and sold world-wide, it will also become more luxurious (i.e HEAVIER) and softer to please people that buy these types of cars.
Since Infiniti got it's date pushed back to a 2007/2008 intro in Europe, it will be awhile. From my understanding, Infiniti will debut in Europe will the new generation cars.

[emilio]

everyone seems so excited...for a little bit i was too, but now I realize that the name "Supra" will not be so special anymore...at least to me...

one of the reasons why I like the supra so much is that it is fairly unknown to the general public...but with the introduction of the mkv...you can definitely expect that to change.

Soon Supras will be driven by money toting doctors and lawyers, rather than true car enthusiasts =/

[1SICKLEX]

I also don't see Toyota not sharing any parts with the Supra. With the Lexus IS and GS 300s dropping the 2JZ next generation (debuting next spring and fall) they will use a new 3.0 liter V-6. The next GS 300 is rated at 250hp
They will not share the FWD 3.3 liter V-6.
So 2 things.
1. I expect the base Supra to share this engine and get it tweaked, normally aspirated to around 300horses.
2. That means the aftermarket will tune it.
3. That means us Lexus owners get to tune our cars again, like the 2JZ!

The G35 performance package ups the VQ to 295 horses. I am sure the updated, 35th Annivesary 350Z will have 300 horses.

The Supra will have to meet or beat those numbers in base form.
The C-6 has 400 horses. So the V-8 will have to beat those numbers.
The Lexus 4.3 V-8 has no problem making 400 horses. The trannies are built to handle that power. The Lexus Roadster on the show circuite a few years ago made 400 horses with the old 4.0 liter V-8.

[Enzox]

I did'nt bother with the GT2 it' because he got it right :)

I was only showing him that there are 2 models of the turbo version.


Originally posted by SupraSaiyan
JadeFalcon is correct. The GT2 is not the Turbo Coupe Tipronic. :cool:

[kaosv1]

Originally posted by Formula1Vendetta
Since when did they use the Euro division to test US model cars???

US will test US versions and Euro will test Euro versions.

Fyrarms, thanks for the info. Been waiting for a while to hear some concrete news on the MKV.

The Euro division IS where they do the R&D. Or at least used to, almost every car is tested in Europe and shipped over if it can meet US demand. Same way as it has always worked.
I'm not sure now with the US(Toyota) factories here?

The MKIV wasn't designed in the states, from all I've read. It was designed in European divison. Same place all the engine testing used to take place.

Toyota isn't a US based company? In fact they could even sell a car here till the late 70's. They did but nobody cared......

I'd like to know where all the testing (mules) are run now for them. I'm almost sure its not stateside.

Most car companies(foreign) test in Europe first. If they pass their testing we might see them. US spec cars in general are different animals.

[Overclocker]

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Since it will be badges an Infintii and sold world-wide, it will also become more luxurious (i.e HEAVIER) and softer to please people that buy these types of cars.
Since Infiniti got it's date pushed back to a 2007/2008 intro in Europe, it will be awhile. From my understanding, Infiniti will debut in Europe will the new generation cars.

Damn Sick, you really are on every car forum on the web. :rockon:

[outofstep]

Originally posted by emilio
everyone seems so excited...for a little bit i was too, but now I realize that the name "Supra" will not be so special anymore...at least to me...

one of the reasons why I like the supra so much is that it is fairly unknown to the general public...but with the introduction of the mkv...you can definitely expect that to change.

Soon Supras will be driven by money toting doctors and lawyers, rather than true car enthusiasts =/


Originally posted by emilio
everyone seems so excited...for a little bit i was too, but now I realize that the name "Supra" will not be so special anymore...at least to me...

one of the reasons why I like the supra so much is that it is fairly unknown to the general public...but with the introduction of the mkv...you can definitely expect that to change.

Soon Supras will be driven by money toting doctors and lawyers, rather than true car enthusiasts =/

What do you think it was the last two times it was out? Were you not paying attention the past 15 years or what? The Supra pretty much only got enthusiast support after it had been out for awhile. The MK3 and MK4 were out of the enthusiast price range during each of their respective runs. That’s how it will be this time around also. Though with the “interweb” being around this time it will be much easier to get product support from companies, and customers to those companies.

The only reason the MK4 has been so hot with tuners the past handful of years is because it has depreciated to about the cost of a new Saturn. During the mid 90s you never saw support for the Supra because it was priced in Vette territory.

the MK3 has depreciated to about the cost of a hot meal at Dennys..

[emilio]

Originally posted by outofstep
What do you think it was the last two times it was out? Were you not paying attention the past 15 years or what? The Supra pretty much only got enthusiast support after it had been out for awhile. The MK3 and MK4 were out of the enthusiast price range during each of their respective runs. That’s how it will be this time around also. Though with the “interweb” being around this time it will be much easier to get product support from companies, and customers to those companies.

The only reason the MK4 has been so hot with tuners the past handful of years is because it has depreciated to about the cost of a new Saturn. During the mid 90s you never saw support for the Supra because it was priced in Vette territory.

the MK3 has depreciated to about the cost of a hot meal at Dennys..


Thank you for enlightening me on that...but 15 years ago I was not into Supras, much less 2 years ago heh....

[1SICKLEX]

Originally posted by Overclocker
Damn Sick, you really are on every car forum on the web. :rockon:
:D :cool: Again, Nice freaking garage dude!

[AndrewRuiz]

Dan,

Could you tell me the area where the MKV In california is around?

-Andrew

"Tell me and i'll go on a hunt!"

[BlackSupra93]

Originally posted by flexysteve8
. Also who knows if the MKV will be grossy overengineered like the MKIV. Do you think they're in the office planning for the engine to hold 1000+ hp to beat the MKIVs. Wouldn't that be something if they didn't and people ended up swapping the 2JZ into the MKV because the new engine couldn't hold up.

Well from what Fyrarms is saying...it'll be some variation of the tundra engine as the boosted v8. The tundra engine has already been proven (someone correct me if I'm wrong) to 1,200whp and is raced at the drag strip.

It would be a VERY easy engine to tune up a bit and then boost for insane amounts of power.

[Aaron M]

Originally posted by flexysteve8
I doubt there will be a MKV for high $$ based on business reasoning. What makes Toyota think that 50K+ Japanese sports cars will sell any better in 2006 than they did in 1998. I still think alot of people (not supra fans) would go to a vette, porsche, BMW or MB rather than a Toyota. It would be really popular for the younger people, but how many of them could afford it?

I think it would be a sales flop like the MKIV. Also who knows if the MKV will be grossy overengineered like the MKIV. Do you think they're in the office planning for the engine to hold 1000+ hp to beat the MKIVs. Wouldn't that be something if they didn't and people ended up swapping the 2JZ into the MKV because the new engine couldn't hold up.

fyarms said that there will be TWO models. a 30,000 dollar base model to compete with the Z and the like and a 50,000 dollar GT model. both will most likely boast high HP numbers and toyota is probably expectin the base model to bring in most of the money.

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by Xenon Supra
Maybe its me, but I don't want another Supra to come out...It is only going to make the MK4's and MK3's look that much OLDER and worse. Not that I care because I LOVE the car, but you probably won't get the same looks on the road as you used to...Stupid Toyota, I wish they would through away the plans right now. :(
That was pretty much the opinion of many in 1992-1993. As a matter of fact, I was not sure I liked the MkIV for a long time - especially after seeing the sticker!!:eek: :eek:

We'll see what comes when it comes.:cool:

[JadeFalcon]

Originally posted by Enzox
I did'nt bother with the GT2 it' because he got it right :)

I was only showing him that there are 2 models of the turbo version.

Yeah I just pulled that stuff from carpoint.com. . . no idea how accurate it is though. A tiptronic Turbo! Blasphemy! :p

[NickD.]

Dan,

Could you tell me the area where the MKV In california is around?

-Andrew

"Tell me and i'll go on a hunt!"



I would first start by looking at somewhere with extreme condition for testing. Mojave desert come to mind plus less people out there to spot them.

[Xutech]

Wow.. i am starting to pull my hair out already and i dont even have children!!!

[SupraDupra_17]

thanks for the great news FYRARMS :D

even though it was a pretty shady way to deliver it...

[98mkiv]

Originally posted by flexysteve8
Also who knows if the MKV will be grossy overengineered like the MKIV. Do you think they're in the office planning for the engine to hold 1000+ hp to beat the MKIVs.

Dude, This car is engineered to perfection. I wouldn't call it over engineering - since that is virtually impossible. The fact that the car has twin turbos and goes for 200K miles in some instances is proof that the car was engineered well.

As an engineer, I can't help but feel a bit offended at you calling this car over-engineered, even though I understand what you're saying.

-M

[98mkiv]

btw, I think that no new car will ever have the sex appeal and true engineering artwork that you see in the MKIV.

But I cannot wait to see the new MKV because it will bring attention back to the supras and I will be working on some new parts for it, since its a fresh canvas we can have some fun designing new parts.

-M

[Ray745]

I dont think an MKV coming out will take away from any of the looks or anything you get while riding in your MKIV, most people still don’t know what it is and it still looks sexy as all hell. I just hope SP, BL, WOTM, and all the other companies ditch making mkiv stuff and just focus on the mkv, stick with us!! :D

[LIMITED]

I am gonna need a bigger garage...

[flexysteve8]

BTW I'm an engineer too.

To explain to everyone what i meant:
Somewhere along the design line 320hp was set as the design goal with of course some room to spare. These engineers instead build an engine capable of 1000+hp and an overall car capable of 500 (then auto tranny starts to go).

As you know to design a better product costs more money and takes more time. This cost gets passed on to the end user. Now we know why they cost $55k in 1994. It wasn't a very good value back then and alot of the reason it sold poorly. Good engineering also takes into account designing for a profit. If we still thought it could only make 320hp now, how many of us would think $25K was worth it to buy one. But here we are 10 years later learning why it was so expensive back in 1994.

Has toyota learned their lesson and not run up development costs which lead to higher price to the customer and will they design a lower cost V8 with 400hp that might not hold much more, or will they make a turbo V6 thats rated for 350hp but years from now, people will have running at 1200hp on stock internals.

[Deuces_Wild]

Originally posted by kaneda
is that the MKIV prototype? i've always wondered what it looked like pre-production. do you happen to have any of the old MKIV concept photos/drawings?

Here is a pic that i took of one mkiv prototype that they have at the Toyota museum in Torrance. Don't know if its ever been posted here before but i bet it has been.
http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01139.JPG

Will they unveil it at Detroit or Tokyo 2005? If its detroit it could mean 06 will be the first production year but if its Tokyo then 07 would be my guess. Hardtop option and more weight reduction please!

Oh FYRARMS, Probably a long shot but any chance the TRD rep mentioned whether the Spyder turbo kit still has a chance?

[NitrousX]

Originally posted by zerorecall
ok so is that a V8 or turbo that the GT model has?


he said yes so...let me get this straight...

The GT is a V8 turbo? Gawd Dayum. Definetly gonna be in my garage. This is great news.

I personally believe that this is true because it would make sense to bring a sports car to America, Since 2001 (?) The racing scene has blosomed and there are many people purchasing the G35's, and 350Z's, now that Toyota belieive's there might be a market for it, they are bringing it back.

[NJWheelman]

The only problem I see is pricing it to compete. Theyd better shoot for 40k or less closer to 30k would be ideal.

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by 98mkiv
Dude, This car is engineered to perfection. I wouldn't call it over engineering - since that is virtually impossible. The fact that the car has twin turbos and goes for 200K miles in some instances is proof that the car was engineered well.

As an engineer, I can't help but feel a bit offended at you calling this car over-engineered, even though I understand what you're saying.

-M
Nah - not perfection. No such thing.
Over-engineered, yes. Since my definition of "engineering" would center on meeting requirements efficiently. The Supra certainly vastly exceeded common requirements of the day.
I doubt there will be another consumer car (well, sorta!) that is so over-engineered!!
I'm not offended - and yes, as a matter of fact, I am an engineer!

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by Deuces_Wild
Here is a pic that i took of one mkiv prototype that they have at the Toyota museum in Torrance. Don't know if its ever been posted here before but i bet it has been.
http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01139.JPG

.........
Wait!

Are you sure you weren't in the *Taurus* museum?
Maybe the Alero museum?

:D :D :D :D

[Deuces_Wild]

Originally posted by VickSupra
Wait!

Are you sure you weren't in the *Taurus* museum?
Maybe the Alero museum?

:D :D :D :D

Heh...well thank goodness that one didnt go through! Here is a close up of that blue badge on the front of the hood:

http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01140.JPG

[GHXOXST]

^^^^^^^^^^^

:nono: :nono: :uzi: :ak47: :barf: :ar1: :uzi: :sniper: :ar1:

[Z32POWER]

Originally posted by cordova
Don't be jealous.


don't flatter yourself.

[MKIIIBoostlessSupra]

Man I gotta get a job at toyota so I can get the employee discount!

[Malloy]

:lol:



Originally posted by 98mkiv
btw, I think that no new car will ever have the sex appeal...that you see in the MKIV.

[DontArgue]

Got the latest picture of the concept MKV.
http://www.rit.edu/~kra6004/pics/2b_1_b.jpg

[rizinphoenix]

I wouldn't mind a MKV, its time that a new generation gets to experience what the MKIV has done to us. I don't feel it'll take anything away from the MKIV. Just like when I see an MKIII, in my case, I still sit in awe of such a magnificent car and I'm proud of its heritage. Of course when the MKV does come out from the factory we'd still have some nice examples of a MKIV kickin its ass with less cylinders hehe

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by DontArgue
Got the latest picture of the concept MKV.
http://www.rit.edu/~kra6004/pics/2b_1_b.jpg
Nah - that's the MustangRanger concept.......:p :p

[TKO]

So when is the MKV rumoured to be up for sale?

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by TKO
So when is the MKV rumoured to be up for sale?
Ummmm - that was mentioned somewhere in the previous 150 posts!! IIRC, may be a 2006 model.
Maybe a 2005.5 ?

[SupraTico]

Originally posted by Deuces_Wild
Heh...well thank goodness that one didnt go through! Here is a close up of that blue badge on the front of the hood:


:barf: i can't even quote the whole picture that's how bad that looks wtf were they thinking?!?? :fruit:

[n00bster]

WHERE ARE THE PICS DAN?!?!

[hoser813]

i cant wait for the mkv to come out. Then I can ditch the mkiii for a hot meal at denny's and get a mkiv!

[Stakie]

Originally posted by Deuces_Wild
Here is a pic that i took of one mkiv prototype that they have at the Toyota museum in Torrance. Don't know if its ever been posted here before but i bet it has been.
http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01139.JPG

Will they unveil it at Detroit or Tokyo 2005? If its detroit it could mean 06 will be the first production year but if its Tokyo then 07 would be my guess. Hardtop option and more weight reduction please!

Oh FYRARMS, Probably a long shot but any chance the TRD rep mentioned whether the Spyder turbo kit still has a chance?

That!!! is fucking ugly!!!!!!!!

[static99]

Originally posted by Deuces_Wild
Here is a pic that i took of one mkiv prototype that they have at the Toyota museum in Torrance. Don't know if its ever been posted here before but i bet it has been.
http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01139.JPG

Will they unveil it at Detroit or Tokyo 2005? If its detroit it could mean 06 will be the first production year but if its Tokyo then 07 would be my guess. Hardtop option and more weight reduction please!

Oh FYRARMS, Probably a long shot but any chance the TRD rep mentioned whether the Spyder turbo kit still has a chance?


any pics of the MSB supra next to it?

[avalon96]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) To the doubters: Remember that when the MKIV came out, we were told there "was no new Supra" as well. ;)

b) Regardless of who anyone knows at TMC or TRD, the president of Toyota (yes, from Japan) was at our new dealership grand opening dinner. When our owner asked him "will there be a new Supra", he replied with a simple "yes". The president of Toyota North America was at a similar function in Wisconsin recently. He was also asked the same question by our owner. His response was another "yes". :cool:

Guess we will just have to wait and see...

If you are wrong..................................................

[SupraTico]

Originally posted by avalon96
If you are wrong..................................................

bannination? :p

[Xenon Supra]

Originally posted by static99
any pics of the MSB supra next to it?

nice find :)

[avalon96]

Put the Moderatership on the line! What happened to the pics?

[FYRARMS]

I told you guys---when I get pics or more information, I will gladly share it with you.
:whip:

[boosted9974]

okay guys, i have heard some info from two friends of mine who work for toyota. the supra should be out by september of 2005. the motor will be a 3.5 liter twin turbo with 450bhp. the sticker price will be about $52,000. fully loaded about $56,000. how ever toyota has already said that they will charge $2,000 over sticker, no negotiations. so $58,000 will be the selling price. and click on the link below for pics of the MKV.

http://www.autothing.com/funthings/SpyShots/funthings-spyshot2005ToyotaSupra.htm

Dave O-

[BBB DRAGZ]

make this a sticky plzz :)

[Ryan P]

Originally posted by boosted9974
okay guys, i have heard some info from two friends of mine who work for toyota. the supra should be out by september of 2005. the motor will be a 3.5 liter twin turbo with 450bhp. the sticker price will be about $52,000. fully loaded about $56,000. how ever toyota has already said that they will charge $2,000 over sticker, no negotiations. so $58,000 will be the selling price. and click on the link below for pics of the MKV.

http://www.autothing.com/funthings/SpyShots/funthings-spyshot2005ToyotaSupra.htm

Dave O-

That article completely contradicts what you've said.

[Eggy]

Originally posted by boosted9974
okay guys, i have heard some info from two friends of mine who work for toyota. the supra should be out by september of 2005. the motor will be a 3.5 liter twin turbo with 450bhp. the sticker price will be about $52,000. fully loaded about $56,000. how ever toyota has already said that they will charge $2,000 over sticker, no negotiations. so $58,000 will be the selling price. and click on the link below for pics of the MKV.

http://www.autothing.com/funthings/SpyShots/funthings-spyshot2005ToyotaSupra.htm

Dave O-



ummm.....:rolleyes:

[SuprasMaximus]

$52,000 and $56,000???? Come on!!! Do you think that Toyota is stupid enough to outprice the competiton by $15,000 to $18,000 over what a 350z and Rx8 is going for??? That sounds a bit far fetched to me...................That is part of what killed the MKIV was the HUGE sticker price............:rolleyes:

[Geddy Lee]

I think the MKIV looks better then this new MKV picture and for 50 K , I could buy one hell of a MKIV.

[zerorecall]

That is one old ass artical.

[boosted9974]

yeah the article is old. i posted it b/c it had pics of the "new MKV" what i said before about the price is what i was told this past weekend by two toyota employees. it's not like i made the shit up or something. maybe it's not going to be that much, i don't know. i just thought i would let you guys know what i found out. there are so many rumors about how much the car will cost and what motor is in it. toyota probably won't even know until they actually start building them. lol. anyway just some info i thought i would share.

Dave O-

[davidX]

they'd be stupid not to make a $30k model

[boosted9974]

oh and by the way, in relation to the 350z and the RX8, the supra is a much better car and always will be. the 350z and the RX8 don't even compare to the MKIV that came out in '93. at least in my opinion. the new supra will be much more powerful and sleeker looking than the 350z and RX8. maybe that is how toyota will justify the price tag. who knows??

Dave O-

[boosted9974]

Originally posted by davidX
they'd be stupid not to make a $30k model

i totally agree with you but who knows. i think they will sell much more of them if they do. one thing i forgot to add earlier was my source at toyota also said that for the first year they will only prooduce 2000 of them for the U.S

Dave O-

[zerorecall]

Oh O forgot to mention that the RX7 is coming out again with a turbo'ed version of the new rotoery motor. Looks like there is going to be alot of big boys in the house again.
New MKV
New GTR
New Rx7

Hum.... all will be turbo'ed looks like a recreation of the early nineties. :)

[boosted9974]

that would be pretty sweet to bring back the RX7 with a turbo again. i don't think the RX8 does the RX7 any justice being it's newer version. i would love to see mazda bring back the turbo rotary again.

[aaron300]

I don't think the GT model will be much over 45K, except for the initial wave of sales or the possibility that they make a car that puts up Viper type numbers. I glanced through the new C&D while I was on the can and the new Vette looks like it has raised the bar for 'value performance'. I think it's highly unlikely that Toyota would put out a new Supra that does not set a new standard for the combination of quality, performance, and price. I just wonder if they will continue to try and bend the laws of physics by employing world class engineering to offset 'double mayo super extra value meal' heft or if they will go leaner this time. As I have personally 'taken flight' in a MKI (by accident of course!) without consequence, I won't mind if they stick with the formula that earned the MKIII the 'built like a tank' quote in SCC this month. Speaking of 'double mayo super value meals'... my pizza is getting cold. :D
Later,

[99rollaguy]

you put mayo on your pizza?

[SupraTico]

Originally posted by 99rollaguy
you put mayo on your pizza?

lol i don't think he does, but i do, it's the best :D especially pizza hut pan pizza w/ mayo mmmmmmmmm damn i'm craving now :madf:

[JadeFalcon]

Originally posted by boosted9974
that would be pretty sweet to bring back the RX7 with a turbo again. i don't think the RX8 does the RX7 any justice being it's newer version. i would love to see mazda bring back the turbo rotary again.

Yeah everytime I talk to salesmen at Mazda they speak of an upcoming RX7. . .but I just can't seem to get myself to believe them, cuz I don't wanna get let down. It's just too much to imagine a turbo Renesis in a lightweight, two door 'seven. :D

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by boosted9974
yeah the article is old. i posted it b/c it had pics of the "new MKV" what i said before about the price is what i was told this past weekend by two toyota employees. it's not like i made the shit up or something. maybe it's not going to be that much, i don't know. i just thought i would let you guys know what i found out. there are so many rumors about how much the car will cost and what motor is in it. toyota probably won't even know until they actually start building them. lol. anyway just some info i thought i would share.

Dave O-
We are saying we saw that pic (and other similar ones) and similar discussion a looooooonnnnnnnnng time ago.
Bad news does not improve with age.
And I'm sure Toyota has no clue what to sell any of their cars for.........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JQUEST2]

great thread

[replica]

Originally posted by 99rollaguy
you put mayo on your pizza?

no, his delivery guy does :1poke:

[ramrodsupra]

Hey come on with the info, its not good to hold out on your fellow members...We want more info!!!!!!

[Deuces_Wild]

Originally posted by static99
any pics of the MSB supra next to it?

Sure

http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01148.JPG

[MaliCali]

Originally posted by JQUEST2
great thread

no offense at all JQ... but i love when people post things like this because it just reminds me of those guys that get together and put something so rediculously pointless like a chair together, then when finished stare at it for like an our and continually pat eachother on the back repeating "good job" "nice work" :lol:

-mike

[Deuces_Wild]

http://upload.3sgtemr2.com/upload/DSC01138.JPG

[MaliCali]

wow...real showroom condition

[Mark Conte]

That's one clean MSB hardtop.

[IJustLuv2xlr8]

Oh my god I knew it would happen! I'm going to put half my savings in a new bank account, that will get at least $150-200 every week-for my deposit on my future brand new Supra! Hot Damn! This is like super-motivation to save for a new car.

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[PhoeniXDownVII]

Originally posted by boosted9974
that would be pretty sweet to bring back the RX7 with a turbo again. i don't think the RX8 does the RX7 any justice being it's newer version. i would love to see mazda bring back the turbo rotary again.

Doesn't do the rx7 any justice?

Damn people, there is a REASON the car has the name Rx*8*! It's not the newest Rx7! It was marketed and designed differently than the Rx7 (<-purebred sports car)! Why do people constantly complain about the Rx8's power...it is to compete with the other NA's.

Now as far as the next rx7 go's, I hope its a 3-4 Rotor NA. No need for turbo's. Keep the car lighter. Less problems available.

[JQUEST2]

Originally posted by MaliCali
no offense at all JQ... but i love when people post things like this because it just reminds me of those guys that get together and put something so rediculously pointless like a chair together, then when finished stare at it for like an our and continually pat eachother on the back repeating "good job" "nice work" :lol:

-mike


LOL...like waddaya think would happen if we put a hemi in it????

[SupraSeb]

I remember somewhere seein "real" official details that actually made sense, it will go out in 2007, have a 5liter v8 NA(no hp figures sorry), will be based on the old 2000gt and likely called a 5000gt, so actually no there wont be a new supra.....but u know.........the car will be priced higher than the 350z and rx-8 cause remember ppl those are just basic cars.....in 2007 there will be the gtr model from nissan, new rx-7 from mazda and new honda hsc....so the price will be higher for sure....

[Stakie]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
The District Sales Manager for TRD, USA is here right now at our dealership.

Who wants to hear the latest MKV rumors straight from TRD?

:angel:

No disrespect to you Fyrarms, but how many times are we going to be taken around and around the bush about a "new supra" or "MKV"? who knows if toyota is going to call it the MKV? or even, a supra? Or even worse, who knows if they's coming out with "a new supra"?

Everyone and their grandmother always knows "somebody" that has news about the "new supra", or whoever president said yes, or whoever's father's boss etc.....you get the drift.

As far as we know, it's all hearsay. We don't know. Somebody mentioned also that there's no market. That's an interestig point, esp. if the car is sold at $50,000+. Who would buy that in this day and age? if they sold 10,000, would that be a success story? I don't think so. I mean, all they have to do is take a look at the RX-8 and the corvette, and see if they can beat those numbers. I'm sure the 350Z is doing better that the RX-8 and the vette, but how much better? So that's an interesting point about the market.

Now, how many MK I,II,III, IV would sell their supra for the "new supra"? and maybe you might not sell it, but would you purchase? ok, so what if every supra owner buys a "new supra", how many supra owners are there? Would that be a success?

Maybe, just maybe toyota may not be coming out with a "new supra". If they do, well, that's great. But wow, talk about getting your hopes high. (didn't we had a thread like this about 1.5 months back, and it got flamed on?) I'm just fed up with the "new supra" talk and really nothing but hoping and wasted bandwidth to show for it.

Gregory

[Steve Theodore]

I definitely agree with you Gregory but there is fundamentally a difference between some random guy stating this stuff compared to a Toyota employee. I agree that FYRARMS might be getting smoke blown up his a$$ by someone, but I doubt he's out trying to mislead us about what he believes to actually be true and what he has actually been told or shown.

That being said, I'm as tired as anyone of threads about the upcoming MKV Supra. At this point I'd rather not hear about it until it's truly confirmed. :)

Steve T.

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) To the doubters: Remember that when the MKIV came out, we were told there "was no new Supra" as well. ;)

b) Regardless of who anyone knows at TMC or TRD, the president of Toyota (yes, from Japan) was at our new dealership grand opening dinner. When our owner asked him "will there be a new Supra", he replied with a simple "yes". The president of Toyota North America was at a similar function in Wisconsin recently. He was also asked the same question by our owner. His response was another "yes". :cool:

Guess we will just have to wait and see...

[Stakie]

Originally posted by Steve Theodore
I definitely agree with you Gregory but there is fundamentally a difference between some random guy stating this stuff compared to a Toyota employee. I agree that FYRARMS might be getting smoke blown up his a$$ by someone, but I doubt he's out trying to mislead us about what he believes to actually be true and what he has actually been told or shown.

That being said, I'm as tired as anyone of threads about the upcoming MKV Supra. At this point I'd rather not hear about it until it's truly confirmed. :)


Oh, i'm sure Fyrarms is not a random guy and is not out to mislead us (he's the one with all the guns, right? Shit, I would not want to piss him off). Like I said in my post, no disrespect to him. That's why I read this thread all along to see what he wrote. Otherwise, i would have just ignored this thread.

And true, at this point, i agree to not hear about it anymore and just wait till i can pass my fingers on it and say "wow, i'm not dreaming and can get direct tv for 4 months".

In the meantime in between time, let's make our MKI-IVs better cause Toyota ain't doing it for us lately.

Gregory

Steve T.

[Stakie]

Originally posted by FYRARMS


ok, nuff said. I get your point.

[Xenon]

Yes Dan, you are always such a liar and untrustworthy person, that's why so many people trust you with taking care of their pride and joy and you are an administrator here.

If the President of Toyota is blowing smoke up Dan's ass, Toyota is one very, very odd company.

Jason

[Steve Theodore]

Dan, an administrator? ;)

Steve T.

[FYRARMS]

Got a nice ring to it, huh Steve-o? :D

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by Stakie
....... That's an interestig point, esp. if the car is sold at $50,000+. Who would buy that in this day and age? if they sold 10,000, would that be a success story? .......
I would be interested in a MKV at $50K if it at least matched the new C6 in performance but had a Toyota interior rather than a Mattel one. But I can't say there would be a huge market. Couldn't match the Corvette market.

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by Steve Theodore
Dan, an administrator? ;)

Steve T.
I think he meant menustrator...........:p ;) :D

[Nitron]

I
WANT
SUPRA

[Eugene]

Originally posted by VickSupra
I think he meant menustrator...........:p ;) :D

Hate to change the subject, but what's a menustrator?

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by Eugene
Hate to change the subject, but what's a menustrator? a) Steve can't spell. :urowned:

b) If you can't figure out what he was trying to say, think "tampon". ;)

[SupraLB]

Originally posted by VickSupra
I would be interested in a MKV at $50K if it at least matched the new C6 in performance but had a Toyota interior rather than a Mattel one. But I can't say there would be a huge market. Couldn't match the Corvette market.

I agree. I'm not interested in one at $30k. Notice how many 350Zs are on the road? They are so common they just blend in with the Camrys, Maximas, and minivans.

[davidX]

well sc430's are 60k? i see quite a few on the road in this area.

[Eugene]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
a) Steve can't spell. :urowned:

b) If you can't figure out what he was trying to say, think "tampon". ;)

Ahhh, ok, that's what I figured. :D

Anyways, back on subject...

:TTIWWP:

:p

[CantTouchThis]

:yawn: is there anything new or are we gonna keep saying the same thing over and over again about the mysterious mkV. i think itd be a new and fresh thing, but come on enough with these threads that lead to a dead end

[SaabSpeed]

I would agree with you, if the thread was started by someone else. Damn, if the MKV has a TT V8 as stout as the 1UZ(or better!)....I got some money-saving to do.

[DTSupra30]

Im excited and mad at the same time. Fuk the mk5 i want my value to retain, but if it does come out hell yea im buying one haha. If that made any sense. later
Matt

[djmesican]

10 bucks says fyrarms is just laughing at all of you and your guesses :p

[SlowEclipseGS-T]

Im excited and mad at the same time. Fuk the mk5 i want my value to retain

Anyone who expects the value of a vehicle to stay up is setting himself up for failure.

[Silver Supra]

Originally posted by SlowEclipseGS-T
Anyone who expects the value of a vehicle to stay up is setting himself up for failure.
Well sure - if you have an Eclipse!!!!;)

It all depends. Of course, depreciation drives down worth rapidly in *most* cars.
In my case, my car is "worth" at least 20% more than I paid for it it 4 years ago. At this rate, I'll be rich in a few years........:D ;)

[Eggy]

Did anyone buy their MKIV actually thinking they would keep their value so well?

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by CantTouchThis
:yawn: is there anything new or are we gonna keep saying the same thing over and over again about the mysterious mkV. i think itd be a new and fresh thing, but come on enough with these threads that lead to a dead end Why do you care?

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by djmesican
10 bucks says fyrarms is just laughing at all of you and your guessesNope. When I get more info/photos I will post them. Been said before a couple of times. NO need to post until then, that's all.

[BORDER]

Latest Tokyo Motor Show 2005 news.....Toyota V8 powered sports car to be unveiled.




http://response.jp/issue/2004/0824/article63048_1.images/71147.jpg

[CantTouchThis]

Originally posted by FYRARMS
Why do you care?

so i take it i cant know anything or be able to talk about one cause i dont have one? i care because teh mkiv is an amazing car, and the thot of a mkv would blow me away.

[BlackSupra93]

Originally posted by BORDER
Latest Tokyo Motor Show 2004 news.....Toyota V8 powered sports car to be unveiled.




not bad...butThat isnt the most attractive thing ive seen lately.

[BORDER]

Originally posted by BlackSupra93
not bad...butThat isnt the most attractive thing ive seen lately.


really...I think it is very sexy.

[redspencer]

The front end (at least the headlights) of that car looks a lot like a Celica.

[Eggy]

ugh come on people that car looks brutal!

The MKIV is going to be almost impossible to top in terms of styling...

[FYRARMS]

Originally posted by CantTouchThis
so i take it i cant know anything or be able to talk about one cause i dont have one?Of course, not. But you are a total newbie. Like this month. Then it turns out you don't even own a Supra. Your post sounded as if you have been here for a long time, and were sooooo tired of all the MKV teaser threads. That's all.

[Steve Theodore]

That latest picture looks a LOT better than some of the concepts we've seen in recent years imho. That one could grow on us over time (I still don't like 350Z styling for instance, but I like it better now than when it debuted).

Steve T.

[NJWheelman]

That pic has some similarities with the concept Eclips Mitsus been showing. Needs some work.

[PB PEDIS]

Originally posted by Eggy
Did anyone buy their MKIV actually thinking they would keep their value so well?

Yeah, I did. And it turns out I sold it for 20% more than I paid for it over the span of 2.5 years. The MKIV is the only car I've ever owned that APPRECIATED while driving it daily. I'll bet there are almost no other cars out there like that. I didn't actually think it would appreciate the way it did, but when I bought it I truly thought it would hold its value almost constant for the immediate future. Critical notes here are that my car was BPU when I bought and sold it, and I sold it about two years ago.

I'm really curious to see how things bear out for the MKV, my affection for the MKIV notwithstanding. From my own perspective, if all iterations are normally aspirated, I'll probably pass and find a 996 turbo. If some version of it is supercharged, the way it looks will become very, very important to me. If some version of it is available in a hardtop, the motor is turbocharged or twin-turbocharged and is as stout as the 2JZ, I'll be willing to make a lot of concessions in the styling department.

[TTVengeance]

The Tokyo Motor Show this year is for "Commercial & Barrier-free Vehicles" - Why would they introduce it there? They alternate every year between passenger and commercial vehicles, last year was the passenger car & motorcycle show.

[carendt242]

PB PEDIS, i hope toyota interviewed you @ some time for product features ;-) those are exactly my sentiments as well.

if it sucks, it's time for a 2002-03 996tt as the next toy.

[BORDER]

Originally posted by TTVengeance
The Tokyo Motor Show this year is for "Commercial & Barrier-free Vehicles" - Why would they introduce it there? They alternate every year between passenger and commercial vehicles, last year was the passenger car & motorcycle show.



then it must be for next year. :(

[beauespirit]

Unbelievable, I didn't think Toyota was going to bring out another premier sporst car. I thought Toyota was satisfied with the sales of their family cars. Off of it Toyota was the 1st Japanese company to make 9 billion dollars in profits. I thought if they did come out with a new Supra it wouldn't be lesser than the current Supra, but I also thought they wouldn't bring it out because it would just be as expensive as the mkIV was new. You guys know that the demise of the Japanese sport car in the 90's was because of price point. They marketed towards baby boomers & those guys bought corvettes instead - same priceline. That why all the Japanese Mfg. learned their lesson and brought out more affordable sport cars around the 30k mark. Sales are good, but because they made it cheaper the performance is not par with the previous generation cars. If this new Supra is to be better than the mkiv no way is it going to be around the 30k mark. It's probably going to be at least 10 grand more. and it wouldn't be competing with the other Japanese cars because of the performance/price difference. I'm thinking Toyota would be okay if didn't make to much of a profit on the MkV, it'll just be an image car.

[TTVengeance]

Originally posted by beauespirit
If this new Supra is to be better than the mkiv no way is it going to be around the 30k mark. It's probably going to be at least 10 grand more. and it wouldn't be competing with the other Japanese cars because of the performance/price difference. I'm thinking Toyota would be okay if didn't make to much of a profit on the MkV, it'll just be an image car.

Yes, but according to this thread, there are two versions - a v6 to compete with the 350z crowd and a blown v8 to compete with the corvette crowd.

[beauespirit]

Good point. Sorry, I didn't read all the posts. I guess I just feel that there should only be one Supra. A lesser Supra distorts the image. I understand the lesser supra in terms of sales, like the v6 mustang. But don't you feel that there shouldn't be v6 mustang. It's really a discredit to the Mustang. And I'm tired of every single person asking if my Supra is a TT.

[Mr. Cool]

looks sort of like that pic from autocar mag
http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Car/Toyota/4-Runner/234445142.jpg

BW called it a V10
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_12/b3825008.htm



The elegant hot rod could be introduced as soon as the Tokyo Motor Show in the fall, most likely as the flagship of Toyota's luxury marque, Lexus. The expected price tag: close to $150,000.

V8 or V10 either one sounds good

[static99]

fyrarms....could it quite possibly be the X-Runners 4.0 v6 in the new supra? *crosses fingers*