Chris ( Titanium )

[xtremeboost]

I didn't want to come on here but I just want to make EVERY attempt to get a hold of you . Its been about 4 months ! You owe me and Mark ( LYTLdiablo ) around $2,500 ! Myself and Mark have called you well over 100 times and you are yet to return even 1 call !!! I even got a hold of Justin at Tuningconcepts just to make sure that you're still alive and he said that indeed you are . Justin told me that you have been trying to get a hold of me and Mark for the longest now but I'm sure we can agree thats pure bullshit as you have both our numbers and you can ALWAYS get a hold of Mark via the forum ! I will safely tell you now that it will be within you best interest to get a hold of me right away !! If you've had serious money problems I would understand but not calling me or Mark is NOT the way of taking care of a dept !! And not paying WILL NOT make it go away !!!!!!! I see that you have posted on 02-23-05 so you still come on the forums .


Time is ticking ..


Frank

407-859-7000

[blacktransam]

excuse me.. but.. FUCK NO.. I have personally called mark 14 times trying to find parts and ask him about another bill... HE never returns phone calls.. AND YOU GUYS still have parts for his car.. the front adaptor for the tranny which we needed tio RE-install... YOU GUYS NEVER REPLIED.. also i taked to chris TODAY he is on the road.. him and mark DID TALK... and mark understood that we have REDONE 90% of everything you guys did.. but i have not got on here and said a word.. but you want to start... I will post pictures of all the work I have personally redone... IF you want to bill him take him to small claims court I have a folder full of pics and documents for stuff we have rebought to fix problems to bring in as evidence...

ANYBODY who knows chris knows he pays his bills ask nero ask larry.. ask n e body.. the fact that YOU are having a hard time getting money makes it sound like maybe YOU have a problem
getting money from him maybe you have the wrong number?? hell i'll even bring in his phone statement..

Mike

[Magic]

I just spoke to Chris and he is on the road. He will post later when he can get to a computer. Also, he is usually in school from 8am to 5pm. Today you can call him after 6pm and he would be glad to speak with you about this situation.

thx

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
excuse me.. but.. FUCK NO.. I have personally called mark 14 times trying to find parts and ask him about another bill... HE never returns phone calls.. AND YOU GUYS still have parts for his car.. the front adaptor for the tranny which we needed tio RE-install... YOU GUYS NEVER REPLIED.. also i taked to chris TODAY he is on the road.. him and mark DID TALK... and mark understood that we have REDONE 90% of everything you guys did.. but i have not got on here and said a word.. but you want to start... I will post pictures of all the work I have personally redone... IF you want to bill him take him to small claims court I have a folder full of pics and documents for stuff we have rebought to fix problems to bring in as evidence...

ANYBODY who knows chris knows he pays his bills ask nero ask larry.. ask n e body.. the fact that YOU are having a hard time getting money makes it sound like maybe YOU have a problem
getting money from him maybe you have the wrong number?? hell i'll even bring in his phone statement..

Mike

Mike, first off...you need to settle down.

Secondly, I have not recieved one, not one, phone call from you, nor Chris, nor any e-mails or PMs from you.

We have one part for his car here, and you know the situation of that specific piece. (aside from the fact that it didn't fit).

I have no idea what you (or Chris) are talking about in saying that Chris and I talked. We have not talked since the last time he was at Frank's shop picking up his axle. I was never told of what you had to redo, and to be perfectly honest, I don't care what you had to re-do.

You and Chris both know that I put everything I was doing on hold for a good two weeks prior to us taking the car just going around with Chris getting parts for him and helping him straighten everything else.

I personally 'know' that Chris pays his bills, and this is why I was so shocked that I couldn't get a hold of him for so long for him to take care of this. I put money out of my pocket into his car that I still haven't recieved back.

Chris still has my transmission brace that he was supposed to replace, off of my PERSONAL car. He still has a K&N air filter that *I* bought and had overnighted for him. He still hasn't payed me for buying the Land Cruiser throttle cable FOR him...and that was only after I almost gave him the cable off of my family's own truck.

When I talked to Chris, he understood how everything stood. They pushed back over a week of work for his car. They were supposed to get it on Tuesday, never came, they were supposed to get it on Wednesday, never came, Thursday...nothing...Friday...at 6pm, the car finally came. We stayed up for 3 days straight...you know, you were there some of the time. I was under my black car pulling the diff on the ground with no light and hand tools at 4a.m. so that Chris' incorrect driveshaft could get into the car.

We came in early morning, and stayed until the early morning over the whole weekend...including sunday when the shop isn't open to help him get this car done so that Justin could tune it.

They didn't charge him overtime labor or anything like that.

Then after there were issues that weekend and Justin had to leave...2 weeks later Justin just shows up at the shop again without proper notice. Chris told me that Justin 'may' be coming up on that specific day but I had no notice...so what had to happen again? Staying up and staying open on sunday. So not only was his car worked on way way way after hours and on the one day that is supposed to be off, but while his car was being worked on...no other car at the shop could be worked on because everyone's attention was to Chris' car.

I don't want to drag other people's names into this because I don't know who wants to be involved and who doesn't.

But as you said about Chris...ask ANYONE in the supra community about me. I help where ever I can and whenever I can...whether it be a phone conversation at 2 A.M., internet e-mails back and forth, or in person working on a car and trying to get it done. ANYONE who knows me knows that I'm as giving as they come. I never ask for anything. I have NEVER tried to trash anyone's name, and have tried EVERYTHING to avoid this happening. (To be honest I didn't know this thread was going to be created until it already was).

As Frank said in his first post...if he had money issues that's one thing, but not contacting me is a completely different thing. Also I would appreciate you not lying about calling me. I may not always get to my phone, but if you leave a message, you will be called back, especially if it was about this situation. You have not spoken to me about this AT ALL. I am rather insulted that not only does Chris not contact me to handle this...but that he has the audacity to not even pay me for the parts that I BOUGHT for him out of my own pocket...and also replace the parts that he has out of my own personal car....that is quite ridiculous.

Contesting the bill for labor that was done is one thing...but not paying for parts that someone bought for you because you didn't have the money/plastic on you is not very mature. Chris and I used to be great buddies, we hung out all the time...then after this he just dissappears off the face of the earth. I am really taken aback by this entire situation. Debts need to be faced.

/Mark

[xtremeboost]

Well , I guess he really hasn't told you much of anything ! No he has NOT at anytime after taking his car out of here given mark or me a call !!!!! NEVER !!!! He has both my cell # and shop # and still no call !!!!! And yes I would love to see pictures of the "labor we did on his car" If you look at the bill we gave Chris you will see the how little he was charged for. I have Mark sitting across from me right now and hes here from about 9am to sometime well pass 10pm everyday and no you or chris have NOT given him or me a call . If Chris has paid everyone else thats fine , he owes us and thats what I care about !!!! His car came to my shop in about 300 parts and what we did was get everything together , thats all ! other than that everything was done at another shop across town and he was unhappy there which is why we stood-up 4 days in a row working 16-18 hour days to get his car done so that Justin could tune it but because soooo many parts were missing or other work done wrong that never took place the first time around . And yes if he wants to get Offical phone records thats great I can always get my own which WILL clearly show the amount of calls placed to him . dates and time !!! I would love the see the same from him .. Me and you have met and you don't seem like the type of guy to BS anyone just for the hell of it , but please be sure of something this serious , I can asure you he has NOT in anyway made ANY kind of contact with me or Mark !!!!


And magic thanks but this is NOT the only time we have tried to contact him , but I figured this will bring him out .

[IdealSupra]

ok guys settle down...

this is an all around fucked up situation but instead of slinging comments and insults back and forth why not at least wait for chris to get on here and state his case....

im sure he will considering hes been told about this thread....

so lets just relax until then...

oh and mark i got your message on aim about calling you...im heading to my house in brandon in a bit and ill give you a call around 6ish if i can.... thanks man

[AdamGamz]

lol... Mark I feel your pain brother.... running a performance shop has given me many new gray hairs, I don't miss it in the least. Now all the fun is back. : )

Adam

[Titanium]

First off I've gotten ONE message from Mark which was returned already by a voice mail I left on 2/17 about 9PM. I was told by my attorney not to comment much more you will have to contact him in the morning or he will be contacting you on Monday. I will be PMing you his # in the morning.



Have a Great Day.

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by Titanium
First off I've gotten ONE message from Mark which was returned already by a voice mail I left on 2/17 about 9PM. I was told by my attorney not to comment much more you will have to contact him in the morning or he will be contacting you on Monday. I will be PMing you his # in the morning.



Have a Great Day.

Chris,

Buddy, you're out of your mind if you think you've only gotten one message from me. I've been leaving you messages and such for a while now. Exact number, I have no idea...but I've definitely *called* your phone well over 10 times in the last 2-3 months. Also in my "one" message it should have been VERY easy to see how I felt about the subject getting resolved...if you called me and left a message and I didn't call you back (which I would have), then you should have tried to call the shop, or call me again, or PM me, or E-mail me. You have more ways of getting in touch with me than my own mother, I'm sure you can get a message to me.

Half of the reason this situation upsets me (aside from pieces of my car being on your car) is because we used to hang out all the time and then as soon as you took your car from the shop I didn't hear from you, then you pop up again when you need your axle...come in...tell Frank and I to our faces that you will be coming back in a few days (I believe you were supposed to come back on a Thursday) to pay the bill, and we part on good terms and you fall off the face of the earth for two months until the matter is addressed on a public forum.

I must say I expected a lot more out of you, Chris. As Mike said, I have ALWAYS seen you take care of any bills or issues you had with someone, you always seemed to me to be a standup guy, and I'm sure tons of people on the forum would back you up. But as you know, tons of people will vouch for me as well...I would NEVER try to rip someone off. Just look at your bill and you'll know I wouldn't try to rip someone off...or just look under your car to see the piece of MY CAR on it...or when you press the gas, think that it's MY throttle cable opening the TB, etc etc etc. I'm out of pocket PERSONALLY a lot of money on your car, regardless of 'work done' in just plain and simple PARTS PURCHASED. I can give you the Titan recipt of the K&N air filter I had overnighted for you...and payed for out of my pocket, I still have the toyota recipt, the aeroquip recipt, etc...

On a side note, I just listened to all of the messages on my phone (and I have messages from mid-early February on there) and your number was nowhere to be found. I was even talking with a friend of mine on the phone back during the week before we recieved your car, expressing my worry about taking a car from another shop and doing all of this rush work for a discounted price... I explained to him that I did not want this situation to come up, but I figured that with you, my friend, who ALWAYS takes care of any debt he has (or calmly contests what he doesn't like about it), there would be no issue. Apparently I was wrong.

It's a shame that you cannot allow your friend to take his car when he's on a time crunch until he pays you a discounted bill...ah the joys of doing favors. :rolleyes:

I look forward to hearing from your lawyer, this should be an amusing discussion. Especially the part about how you don't have to pay for the parts I bought/gave to you (and considering you were getting wholesale pricing in the first place). Hahaha Chris, I must say, you sure as hell tricked me.

Just one more question though...if you had such a huge problem with the bill, why did you tell us weeks after that you would be back 'in a few days' to take care of it?

Have a great night,

Mark

[Mark Conte]

BTW, not that it matters...but for a month plus...all I did about this situation was defend the fact that you'll take care of it to everyone at the shop. Whenever I was asked about it, all I did was defend your character and state how I 'know' you're good for it because you're such a stand-up guy and a good friend of mine. Oh how wrong I was. Until this very point I thought I was a good judge of character.

[blacktransam]

just so you know mark.. bashing him and bringing his personal info to a public board IS A CRIME...

[Mark Conte]

Show me a bash? I'm bringing MY personal info into a public board...aside from any labor charges on that bill Chris outright owes me money. Like I said before, I didn't even know this thread was going to be posted...I was told after it was already done.

I (and Frank) have made tons of phone calls to his phone, and I have sent him at least a couple PM's to resolve this. Frank even had to call up the ever-busy Justin to just make sure that Chris was OK.

I don't have his address, I only have his online and phone contacts...I, many times, exhausted those means trying to get ahold of him...I had one of my buddies in Tampa contact him telling him I was looking for him...he was told by Chris that he would call me 'the next day' or something along those lines. That was over two weeks ago. This was OBVIOUSLY the ONLY way I have to get in touch with him...so even though I did not create this thread, I don't necessarily disapprove of it. I tried EVERYTHING I could do avoid this, as he was my friend, and I had a glimmer of hope still that he was still going to man up and do what I 'knew' he would. As I said before, apparently I was wrong.

Thanks for the lesson in law, Mike.

[Mark Conte]

On a side note...and this is just purely a question, not sarcasm...I thought it was only a crime if the accusations or statements in the public forum are false. Everything I have stated is 100% true, you will not find one member of the supra (or any other community) call me a liar. I am completely and totally honest with everything, especially when it has to do with business.

This is the same as someone posting up a bad seller review in the review's section...just this time it's a bad customer review. I may be wrong but that's the way I understood the law.

/Mark

[supra4life28]

Dont even know exactly what the story is, however, Mark, you are correct. As long as no slandering (false accusations) are being made, their is nothing in law that you might have to worry about....

Go on with the soaps......

P.S.

Edit: Pulling another one of his famous edits: Adam, the reason you GAINED so many gray hairs was because your shop did shit work....

[AdamGamz]

Originally posted by supra4life28
Dont even know exactly what the story is, however, Mark, you are correct. As long as no slandering (false accusations) are being made, their is nothing in law that you might have to worry about....

Go on with the soaps......

P.S.

Adam, the reason you lost so many gray hairs was because your shop did shit work....

LOL and you know this personally as you live in Orlando? oh, I'm sorry you live in inbred Indiana. My shop has worked on many of Orlandos top Supras asshole, including Titanium, Hulk Hogan, Jesus, untapped (you might have seen the video's of him squashing Hayabusa's, and Cowboy Beebop. MAybe you want to see untapped's 880RWHP Dyno, or Cowboys 500+ RWHP 12 PSI dyno?? And I didn't lose gray hairs dumbass I gained a few.

SHIT WORK AT ITS FINEST :finger:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL15/633523/4193005/62637405.jpg


Mark you might just have to take the loss and move on.. it's probably not worth it to hire a lawyer for 3K , anyway good luck I'm done with this thread, people trying to drag me into another soapraforums.com flame war... later

Adam

[IdealSupra]

haha this gets better and better.... i need some popcorn :D

[supra4life28]

Originally posted by AdamGamz
LOL and you know this personally as you live in Orlando? oh, I'm sorry you live in inbred Indiana. My shop has worked on many of Orlandos top Supras asshole, including Titanium, Hulk Hogan, Jesus, untapped (you might have seen the video's of him squashing Hayabusa's, and Cowboy Beebop. MAybe you want to see untapped's 880RWHP Dyno, or Cowboys 500+ RWHP 12 PSI dyno?? And I didn't lose gray hairs dumbass I gained a few.

SHIT WORK AT ITS FINEST :finger:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL15/633523/4193005/62637405.jpg


Mark you might just have to take the loss and move on.. it's probably not worth it to hire a lawyer for 3K , anyway good luck I'm done with this thread, people trying to drag me into another soapraforums.com flame war... later

Adam

Hey jose conseco....

Why dont you think before you post dumbass....
Where did you buy your new 6 speed from, not FLORIDA? (NOTE: people can purchase cars from out of state). Does the name merril/brandon ralph come to mind? Yeah, maybe it would help if I post scanned invoices/receipts from Auto TUNER with your name on it dumbass.... If you want to bring RTC (Dan who built my car) who actually could not believe you would do such work on a car..... (IE speaker wire for wiring, not even tightening all bolts on head, poor ass egr weld....) to name a few...or should I go on....


EDIT: MODS/LYTLIDIABLO/TITANIUM: Apologize for wrecking the thread, however, I have seen/read enough of his posts......

[xtremeboost]

Originally posted by blacktransam
just so you know mark.. bashing him and bringing his personal info to a public board IS A CRIME...



Dude , you do understand that he has parts he has taken out my shop without paying for them . I would love to see what would happen if you went to a shop and took some parts out without paying for them - what is that called ??? around here is called a CRIME , so lets not take it there !!! Mark and I never saw this coming !! Infact , the only reason I waited so long was because I was trying to find-out if something had happened to him; I was worried which is the reason why I called Justin . And yes I sure hope that his Attorney gets a hold of us right away , I've had papers sitting on my attorneys desk for about two weeks now . I had to make this post just to make sure I knew for sure what my next step should be . I speak for both me and Mark when I say that we're not even pissed . I saw a look in Marks face today I've never seen - he did have 100% trust in you and today I saw that he knew for sure he was cheated and lied to. You came to my shop not knowing me so I can see how it would be easy to do this to me( having no connection to me ) , but it speaks for its-self when you do this to someone thats a friend of yours someone that took parts off his own car just so that you didn't have to pay Justin again to come out here to tune your car . VERY sad to see this more so among friends , very sad ...

Sorry it came to this but I WILL see you in court ..


Frank

[KirkMKIV]

Originally posted by IdealSupra
haha this gets better and better.... i need some popcorn :D when you find some hook a brother up :yum:

[Jesus]

Originally posted by supra4life28
Hey jose conseco....

BWahahahahahaha !!!:bowrofl:

[AdamGamz]

I'd rather be called Jose Conseco than mistaken for one of the guys on queer eye for the straight guy... :D

Metrosexual :bj: :bj:

[blacktransam]

ok i talked to chris today.. he told me that he already paid one bill for around 2 k dollars.. at least his credit card was billed for t.. so is this another charge you are making??? cuz if this is the bill mark gave him at the weds night meet that done been paid and gone..


Mike

[Titanium]

It seems like there has been a misunderstanding, Send that bill to my lawyers fax machine as I will be going it over with him. It seems there is info that hasnt made it out. When I left my voice mail on mark's cellphone I gave him a Credit Card # which I told him "Charge the ammount of money for the parts and whatever labor YOU feel nessacary with charging as you know I don't agree with a couple little things." And I never recieved a call back so I assumed that was done but I guess not. Fax to 321-752-2300. BTW stating "my days are numbered" is going to get you NOWHERE FAST. Have a great day.

[phorcefed00]

Its pretty sad this shit is going on in the FL Supra community. Please post the resolution to this either way, so we can know what happened. Its not looking good at this point, just a bunch of finger pointing.

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by Titanium
It seems like there has been a misunderstanding, Send that bill to my lawyers fax machine as I will be going it over with him. It seems there is info that hasnt made it out. When I left my voice mail on mark's cellphone I gave him a Credit Card # which I told him "Charge the ammount of money for the parts and whatever labor YOU feel nessacary with charging as you know I don't agree with a couple little things." And I never recieved a call back so I assumed that was done but I guess not. Fax to 321-752-2300. BTW stating "my days are numbered" is going to get you NOWHERE FAST. Have a great day.

Chris,

I never recieved a voicemail from you...if I had, I would have called you back. I would not just charge you for 'whatever I feel necessary', I'd charge you for what was done and the parts you had off of my car and via my wallet, nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't/don't 'know you don't agree with a couple little things.' Look at the bill, Chris, what could you possibly not agree with???

The bill will be faxed tonight.

/Mark

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by phorcefed00
Its pretty sad this shit is going on in the FL Supra community. Please post the resolution to this either way, so we can know what happened. Its not looking good at this point, just a bunch of finger pointing.

It's not sad that it's in the FL supra community, it's sad that this had to happen between friends, it's sad that a friend cannot release a car to his good friend before he pays a discounted bill and wholesale pricing parts.

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by LYTLdiablo
Chris,

I never recieved a voicemail from you...if I had, I would have called you back. I would not just charge you for 'whatever I feel necessary', I'd charge you for what was done and the parts you had off of my car and via my wallet, nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't/don't 'know you don't agree with a couple little things.' Look at the bill, Chris, what could you possibly not agree with???

The bill will be faxed tonight.

/Mark

By the way, shouldn't you have your copy of the bill that 10-ish people saw me give to you?

Also, who said 'days are numbered' ???

[phorcefed00]

Indeed. I'm not aware of your personal relationships. If this is going on between two good friends, that is even worse. Didn't mean to slight the situation, if thats how it came off, my apologies.

[IdealSupra]

hmmm this reminds me mark i think i owe yo and frank like 30 bucks... i should pay you before I get one of these threads :D










:D :p im just trying to lighten the mood a bit :cry:

[Mark Conte]

I already paid Frank for you, it's just me that you owe. But I 'know' you're good for it so it's all good, brotha. ;)

[Jinna]

Sorry to hear about this BS Mark, I hope you get it worked out man.....pretty unfortunate - kinda foolish for the other party to consult a lawyer over this....a debt is a debt and it doesn't seem like there is a leg to stand on aside from a vague wash of phone message crap.

[DanSupraTT]

Originally posted by Jinna
Sorry to hear about this BS Mark, I hope you get it worked out man.....pretty unfortunate - kinda foolish for the other party to consult a lawyer over this....a debt is a debt and it doesn't seem like there is a leg to stand on aside from a vague wash of phone message crap.

I second that notion :D goodluck mark!

[UF-Supra]

^ +1

Sorry but I just don't see Mark trying to scam anyone, especially someone he considers his friend.

[Mark Conte]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the support.

[xtremeboost]

Chris , please e-mail me or PM me your lawers info , not just his fax # . I will have my lawer fax him the full bill including his fees for this as well , understand that I don't think I should have to pay to get the money owed to me .

Or you can just contact myself or Mark and just drop a check off at the shop. Please understand that if I use my lawer I must also recover his costs as well nothing personal just buisness at this point thats all.

We both are not pissed at you , we're still just completely shocked at this . If you stop by or send someone I'll ask nothing , I just want this taken care of .

Frank

[RTA Supra]

Hope this gets taken care of as well = (

[xtremeboost]

Its tuesday , Mark and I have not had a call , PM or E-mail from you . Lets get this taken care of as soon as we can . As it is this hase taken way too long , lets get this out the way man so we can move on!


Frank

[blacktransam]

Originally posted by LYTLdiablo


The bill will be faxed tonight.

/Mark


???

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
???

Decided against it. Wanted the lawyer's contact information so that I could speak with him prior. Not to mention that Chris should have a copy of the bill.

If Chris wants to handle this without the use of a lawyer (aka - pay the bill), that's perfectly fine with me, and there will be no further issues with him. I still considered Chris a friend, apparently he felt otherwise? Also if he wants to do it privately, again, fine with me. Just come on into the shop, or send a check or have it dropped off. I'll let the thread die.

I want to restate, that this thread was not in any way made to tarnish Chris' name or cause issues. This was just a last resort in terms of getting in contact with him. After the countless phone calls and PMs, this was the only option we had left. Apparently it worked, at least in getting a responce finally. Also, as I have said, I didn't even know that this thread was being posted until it already was up.

I did not want this to happen, so if he wants to settle it without any other complications...I'm all for it. All he has to do is contact me, or have the money/check sent/dropped off here. If he does not have his copy of the bill any more, he can PM me and I will give him the total, to the penny, that is on my copy. If he wants to contest this bill...have his lawyer contact me.

I've got to run now, Chris, let me know how you want to handle this and we can get it over with.

/Mark

[TTBalticBlueMKIV]

Sad to hear about this. Good luck with w/e happens.

[xtremeboost]

Chris , keep in mind that the bill Mark gave you back in december is for the amount owed to him , you also have a much smaller bill from myself , please get a hold of one of us as soon as you can my lawyer is waiting on info in this matter . Once again Mark and I do not have anything against you , if you want to stop by or send someone with a check thats cool - we both really want this taken care of .

Frank

[Mark Conte]

Still waiting for the lawyer to contact me. I also will of course need to be paid for the parts that you have from my car: transmission cross brace, flywheel bolts, etc...

So, Chris, how do you want to handle this...you haven't responded in a week and a half. Obviously I am not going to just go away. You've had my bill since approx. December 1. You also have to settle whatever other bill you have with Frank. I do know that a large amount of the pricing you had with Frank was based on sponsorship of the car, and that obviously never happened.

This needs to be settled immediately. Have the lawyer contact us if that's how you feel you need to go about it.

Contact@xtremeboost.com - Frank
BlownJZA80@hotmail.com - Myself
1321motorsports@gmail.com - Myself
321.297.4179 - My cell phone
407.859.7000 - Xtreme Boost shop number

and/or you can PM either of us.

Or if you forget where we are, 4940 South Orange Ave, Orlando 32806.

[Mark Conte]

Still waiting for contact, it's been about 2 weeks since your last post.

[Jargon]

this guy sure likes to give you guys the run around...i feel sorry for u and frank for having to deal with all this crap...hopefully something will turn up and you be able to get ur money back.

[blacktransam]

he is awaiting receipt of his bill.. in all honesty he prob would have paid it already with out even contestiong just so this would be over but you guys haven't sent it..

also we are in contact with nextel right now getting phone records.. so far we have found ONE incoming acll from mark during the time in question records will be posted shortly

[Jargon]

well why wont he just call up the shop and talk with them?

[blacktransam]

because his lawyer has already been involved as mark has already recieved chris's credit card number now why don't you quit posting on something you know nothing about

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
because his lawyer has already been involved as mark has already recieved chris's credit card number now why don't you quit posting on something you know nothing about

You obviously know nothing about it...I never recieved Chris' credit card number. Even if you had called me and left me a message with it...which you didn't - not that I ever heard...

...I wouldn't have just charged his credit card without speaking to him. And he obviously is avoiding me. If you can only find one call from me then you need a new phone.

Can't Chris post for himself? You don't need to fight his battles for him.

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
he is awaiting receipt of his bill.. in all honesty he prob would have paid it already with out even contestiong just so this would be over but you guys haven't sent it..

also we are in contact with nextel right now getting phone records.. so far we have found ONE incoming acll from mark during the time in question records will be posted shortly

How am I supposed to get the bill to him if he won't contact me. According to you two, the number that was posted on the other page is for his lawyer. If he is 'just going to pay the bill' then why would I send the bill to his lawyer. I want contact FROM CHRIS before I send the bill to whatever number. Doesn't Chris have his copy any more? Also there will most likely be two more bills...one for Frank's labor, which Chris agreed to back in November/December, and one for the cost of the parts that he has from my car retail from Toyota.

If he wants the bill so that he can pay it...all he has to do is post/pm/e-mail etc... saying "Hey I want this over with, send me the bill so I can pay it." and I'll send the bills to him immediately. If he wants this to go through the lawyers, then I want contact from the lawyer, not some random fax number. I was told that I would be contacted last Monday by him...and still nothing.

As for phone records...if it really means that much to you...and you think that you have some grounds to argue from due to a phone bill...then that's fine, I'll see if I can dig up my phone records, Frank's phone records, a couple other people's phone records from when Frank called with differing numbers, and the shop's phone records to give you plenty of examples.

EVEN IF you only found one phone call from me...that is plenty. Chris left with his car on a personal credit...because I knew he was good for his bill. And he just leaves and expects to never talk to me again? He KNEW he had an outstanding debt to pay. It shouldn't be my responsiblity to track him down like this. HE should call ME. Period. Your arguments are weak at best.

I'll be waiting to hear FROM CHRIS what he wants to do. If he wants it over and done with, all he has to do is say it. I don't know why you have to be his little lap terrier PR boy and make all the posts for him.

/Mark

[blacktransam]

mark i will tell you one thing attacks at me calling me a lap terrier will get you know where FAST. as for why I am posting.. chris is no where near a computer I called him to help YOU out by letting him know YOU had posted again.. sorry if i inconvienenced you.. its just i am supposed to sit here and watch chris get a bill for work I am redoing.. of which if you are gunna bill him for parts from your car i understand that they were your parts but you will also have to give him a chance to replace them with parts..
.. also kean would like that tranny adaptor plate you have back.... once again mark he gave you the fax number 2 weeks ago when the bill is recieved this problem will be solved..

Mike

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
mark i will tell you one thing attacks at me calling me a lap terrier will get you know where FAST. as for why I am posting.. chris is no where near a computer I called him to help YOU out by letting him know YOU had posted again.. sorry if i inconvienenced you.. its just i am supposed to sit here and watch chris get a bill for work I am redoing.. of which if you are gunna bill him for parts from your car i understand that they were your parts but you will also have to give him a chance to replace them with parts..
.. also kean would like that tranny adaptor plate you have back.... once again mark he gave you the fax number 2 weeks ago when the bill is recieved this problem will be solved..

Mike

The only thing that gets me no where fast is relying on Chris to do the right thing apparently. Chris may be no where near a computer but he hasn't posted (under Titanium at least) in the last 2 weeks, when he knows this is something that I want resolved. He hasn't been 'away from the computer' for 2 weeks.

What work did you redo? He's getting charged for a motor install...that we had to do twice because we were told to put it in, yet later we found that the direct port setup needed to be gone through again among other issues.

A tranny install that we had to do twice due to a leaking front pump.

A differential swap, part of which, I had to do underneath my black car at 4 a.m. with hand tools and a flash light

etc etc etc...

Aside from that, he got everything done at a fraction of the normal price...much less overtime pricing that he should have recieved...much less any amount of compensation for pushing back 4 extra days of work in anticipation of the car coming in when it didn't.

And then you all have the audacity to complain about it.

As for the parts on my car...when I gave them to Chris he said "I will order new ones from Toyota immediately" I don't want to wait around while he goes to junk yards to find me parts and then try to make sure that I got the right flywheel bolts. If he gets me the parts I want to see the Toyota invoice.

Don't you worry about Kean, I talked to him when I was in Houston last week.

So was the fax number that you guys gave me and told me was the lawyer's actually his??

[KenHenderson]

Anybody reading my 1100+ posts knows that I do not normally involve myself in these types of threads and, if I do, only when I have personal knowledge. Mark is a personal friend of mine and I vouch for him to the nth degree.

He and I had many, lengthy conversations about the events that have transpired BEFORE they actually went down. He was quite worried about the impact on Frank and his shop and the impact on him personally and 1321 Motorsports if things turned bad. Unfortunately, they have.

He and I had long conversations over the phone and email regarding my turbo set-up (he did a LOT of analysis for me of various turbos for my stroker) and these conversations led to discussions about him establishing 1321 Motorsports, Frank's support and related issues. He even called me and left an urgent message looking for the Toyota part number for the VeilSide intake throttle cable. By the time I got the part number for him, he had already either cannibalized his Mom's Land Cruiser or got one from a Toyco dealer, I forget which.

All along, he was quite concerned, even more so when the car wasn't delivered to Frank's shop as promised and several days of work (and income) on other customers was placed aside in preparation for the receipt of Chris' car. I advised Mark not to take on work started by another shop. Those who know me know I am personal friends with Alex Shen, the owner of SP Engineering and he has learned the hard way not to take on work started, but not completed, by others. The chances of things turning out bad are very significant and the current situation is but the latest example.

Things need to be set right, and they need to be resolved by Chris, Mark and Frank. You can't just pick up your car and NOT pay for it. It's that simple. Whatever is being done to the car at present is not relevant to this discussion or the outstanding bills that need to be resolved. Mark and Frank have taken an open and fair approach to this as evidenced by their posts. Back in the day, Spike Lee made a movie called "Do The Right Thing". That needs to happen in this instance.

Ken.

[AdamGamz]

Originally posted by KenHenderson
Anybody reading my 1100+ posts knows that I do not normally involve myself in these types of threads and, if I do, only when I have personal knowledge. Mark is a personal friend of mine and I vouch for him to the nth degree.

He and I had many, lengthy conversations about the events that have transpired BEFORE they actually went down. He was quite worried about the impact on Frank and his shop and the impact on him personally and 1321 Motorsports if things turned bad. Unfortunately, they have.

He and I had long conversations over the phone and email regarding my turbo set-up (he did a LOT of analysis for me of various turbos for my stroker) and these conversations led to discussions about him establishing 1321 Motorsports, Frank's support and related issues. He even called me and left an urgent message looking for the Toyota part number for the VeilSide intake throttle cable. By the time I got the part number for him, he had already either cannibalized his Mom's Land Cruiser or got one from a Toyco dealer, I forget which.

All along, he was quite concerned, even more so when the car wasn't delivered to Frank's shop as promised and several days of work (and income) on other customers was placed aside in preparation for the receipt of Chris' car. I advised Mark not to take on work started by another shop. Those who know me know I am personal friends with Alex Shen, the owner of SP Engineering and he has learned the hard way not to take on work started, but not completed, by others. The chances of things turning out bad are very significant and the current situation is but the latest example.

Things need to be set right, and they need to be resolved by Chris, Mark and Frank. You can't just pick up your car and NOT pay for it. It's that simple. Whatever is being done to the car at present is not relevant to this discussion or the outstanding bills that need to be resolved. Mark and Frank have taken an open and fair approach to this as evidenced by their posts. Back in the day, Spike Lee made a movie called "Do The Right Thing". That needs to happen in this instance.

Ken.

LOL hey Ken.. I remember that movie :D

As a former shop owner I agree 100%.. taking incomplete work from another shop will bring you lots of headaches. Mike why dont you elaborate as to what work you have to re-do?

[blacktransam]

ok ignition sytem redone after alram wires were cut which werent alarm wires which resulted in 5 coilpacks melting.. hmm tranny removal and reinstall cause fly wheel was installed backwards with NO spacer. had to redo a direct port kit due to 2 nozzles being crushed during motor install.. hmm diff swap took place at 11pm remember mark i drove across that night.. there is more but for now I am heading to daytona for a vacation.. fax the bill as you said you would 2 weeks ago and this all would have been settled already

[xtremeboost]

Originally posted by blacktransam
ok ignition sytem redone after alram wires were cut which werent alarm wires which resulted in 5 coilpacks melting.. hmm tranny removal and reinstall cause fly wheel was installed backwards with NO spacer. had to redo a direct port kit due to 2 nozzles being crushed during motor install.. hmm diff swap took place at 11pm remember mark i drove across that night.. there is more but for now I am heading to daytona for a vacation.. fax the bill as you said you would 2 weeks ago and this all would have been settled already


OK man , listen !! You're an OK guy and really I do not have any buisness with you . So please , I mean no disrespect when I say please find something else to do !! Stop posting on this tread as it I has nothing at all to do with you . This is all complete bullshit in the part of Chris , I know it and you should too !!! If Chris REALLY wanted to take care of this he would have already had and none of these post would be up right now !! This is all bullshit !! Chris - for some reason desided not to contact us ever since he took his car . He REALLY does need to have a VERY long talk with his lawyer so that he can be very well informed on what he should do . Once again if you REALLY what to pay this off he is all the info you'll need to contact us , or have your lawyer contact us RIGHT AWAY .



Frank
contact@xtremeboost.com
xtremeboost@msn.com
Cell# 407-973-8714
Shop #407-859-7000

Shop Address 4940 S .Orange Ave Orlando


Mark

E-Mail BlownJZA80@hotmail.com
E-Mail 1321motorsports@gmail.com
Marks cell # 321-297-4179

[xtremeboost]

The owner of SP Engineering and he has learned the hard way not to take on work started, but not completed, by others. The chances of things turning out bad are very significant and the current situation is but the latest example.




How ture is that !!! This has been the the first time this has ever happened to me or Mark and yes this is a very hard way of learning . I feel the worst for Mark who has had a "friend" screw him over like this and even after all these post still has not giving him a call or even droped an e-mail . Like I said before if it was money problems then hell - shit happens !!! But thats not the case here. Many of those nights , Mark , Chris , Justin , all the guys from the shop and myself spent most the time joking around trying to make the best out the situation into the weee hours of the night . Many times Chris thank me for helping him out and for setting everything aside so that his car was the only thing we worked on . I guess this is the best way of thanking me and his "friend" Mark ...



Such a great lesson for us , above all I must say thanks - becasue this will NEVER happen again !

Frank

[Mark Conte]

Originally posted by blacktransam
ok ignition sytem redone after alram wires were cut which werent alarm wires which resulted in 5 coilpacks melting.. hmm tranny removal and reinstall cause fly wheel was installed backwards with NO spacer. had to redo a direct port kit due to 2 nozzles being crushed during motor install.. hmm diff swap took place at 11pm remember mark i drove across that night.. there is more but for now I am heading to daytona for a vacation.. fax the bill as you said you would 2 weeks ago and this all would have been settled already

Haha sure bud whatever you say. From what I remember, Vinnie found the shoddy alarm setup in Chris' car...which if I remember correctly had never worked properly...then made it work, or something along those lines. Excuse me if I don't take your word as gospel, you've been back and forth on even your own side of the story throughout this thread, so you prattling on about whatever isn't going to phase me.

First post: 'Fuck no, Chris doesn't have to pay' and spouting off as if you and I talk all the time and we were discussing 'another bill'. When the hell would you and I have been discussing another bill? A. I've never done any work on your car or sold you any parts. And B. if you were so dissatisfied with the deeply discounted, rushed, and inconvenient work done on SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR...why in the world would you have come to me for more work? You also tried to say that Chris and I did talk as if I understood the bill wasn't going to be paid? Were you ignorant enough to think I wouldn't check the forums and see that post???

*Then Chris shoots that post down by saying he returned my 'one' phone call with a voice mail...so obviously we didn't talk...

Second post: Your misconception of law.

Third post: You act like he's already paid the bill? Just THINK. Do you think I would have ever gone through this hassle if he would have paid the bill? Seriously it's not that hard to figure out.

*Then Chris shoots that post down as well, with the appropriate amount of BS laced into it. Then apparently the 'lawyer's fax number' that was posted turned out to be his own? Since you want to take care of the bill once it's sent to that fax. Aside from the fact that I was supposed to be PM'd the lawyer's number, and be contacted by the lawyer about two weeks ago.

And not that it matters, but if I remember correctly (sorry it's been over 3 months) I don't think there is one electrical related charge on the bill...due mostly to the fact that Justin was up with us for most of the nights installing the AEM and related components himself.

So again, let Chris post in his own thread. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Chris is an adult and can handle his own situations I would hope. If Chris wants the bill sent to him so he can pay it, I want CHRIS to tell me that, not his friend that has nothing to do with the situation aside from a big mouth and some mis-information. I also do not know where to send the bill, even if Chris had told me to do so, since that fax is 'to his lawyer'. I either want to be contacted by Chris with a personal fax number (or in person, not that he would show his face after he had the audacity to do this), or I want to be contacted by his lawyer as I was told I would be. Or even just PM me the lawyer's number as you said you would two weeks ago.

I want this resolved more than anyone, so once Chris gives me a personal fax to send them to...they will be sent.

/Mark

[IdealSupra]

well mark at leas your typing skills have probably improved due to this ;) god damn novels flying around here :D















this sucks... on all ends :(

[Mark Conte]

If it has nothing to do with the thread, you should PM them. Thanks.

/Mark

[AdamGamz]

Mark did you ever get this resolved?

[xtremeboost]

Thanks for asking but NO !! Chris is still to make any type of contact with us !! That in its-self clearly shows his worth as a man! But thats OK , I just got done with the papers to put a lean on his car , lets see how he like that ......

I'm not trying to be a dick , but he does owe us money and I WILL get whats owed to me .

[AdamGamz]

good luck man, I hope you get whats owed.

call a collection agency too, it will suck for him to have a collection on his report, I did that once when I owned my shop.

[bigmike]

Thanks for asking but NO !! Chris is still to make any type of contact with us !! That in its-self clearly shows his worth as a man! But thats OK , I just got done with the papers to put a lean on his car , lets see how he like that ......

I'm not trying to be a dick , but he does owe us money and I WILL get whats owed to me .

Thought you had to have the car in your possession to put a mechanics lean on it... :dunno:

[xtremeboost]

Thought you had to have the car in your possession to put a mechanics lean on it... :dunno:

NO , in the state of FL if you are owed money through a buisness because of work done you can place lean on a vehicle or porperty not a "mechanics lean" . Thanks for asking .

[Mark Conte]

Sorry Adam, didn't see your responce before. In answer to the question, no it has not been resolved, I would still like to see Chris take responsiblity for his actions here (or lack there-of) but I doubt that's going to happen seeing as how in the entire thread he posted what... once? He lets Mike do all the talking for him even though he was not directly involved with the car when it was in Xtreme Boost's posession.

I will be in contact with Frank over the next few days to see what he's come up with. It's pretty obvious that I've been avoiding this situation (and especially in respect to making it public) due to the fact that I'm so put off by it. It still astounds me that a 'friend' would do such a thing.

Again, I'll be talking to Frank and we will try to figure out the correct course of action because it is obvious that Chris isn't going to contact me. This would have been over and done with, and never spoke of again in a public forum if he would just be a man and take responsibility for his debts.

/Mark

[AdamGamz]

I hope you get your parts back Mark, and whatever money your are owed for parts. I know that tranny support of yours thats on Chris's car is going to run you at least $170 or so to replace as I had a cracked one once on a wrecked car I bought. I just wound up having it welded instead as the price was crazy. Hurry up and get that Supra on the road, it was fun last night, we gotta do that more often. :bigthumb:

[wbrinsonw2]

lmao