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: INFO thread on the 20 pre-production 1992 MKIV Supra's that Toyota made! 0001010



RogueSupra
07-29-2009, 12:31 PM
Well this thread is being started for all of us to post any and all information on the 20 MKIV Toyota Supra's that were made in 1992 with frame number 0001010.

These are the 1st MKIV's made... 1992 title and vin dates.

If you make a post with information please site where your information is from.


Serial Number

Beginning with the first prototype each Supra was assigned a unique serial number, which can be used for determining the manufacturing date. From April 1997 on the production was moved from plants A21-A26 to plants M21-M22. Vehicles produced after April 1997 do have a serial number starting with "1" instead of "0".

1992 First Serial Number of the Month
December 0001010
--http://www.mkiv.de/artikel/allgemein/25.htm


Test model pre-production started in December 1992 with 20 models, and official mass production began in April 1993.
--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra
--http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Toyota-Supra
--http://www.wikiproducts.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra_Mark_IV
--http://purehotchocolate.blogspot.com/2009/01/auto-moto.html
--http://www.mtausport.com.au/zoom.php?id=256
--http://www.you.com.au/car/toyota_supra.htm

Test model pre-production started in December 1992 and official mass production began in April 1993
--http://alltherides.com/Toyota_Supra_Model_Info_727.html

Japanese Mkiv Production Changes
Date Frame No. Description
Dec 1992 0001010 Mkiv Supra pre-production test models
--http://www.mkiv.co.nz/
--http://www.angelfire.com/planet/relation23/
--http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm
--http://senk9.kicks-ass.net/manuals/Toyota/JZA80%20Supra/Toyota%20Supra%20MKIV%20Specifications.mht

Japanese Supra Chassis Production Numbers
1992 First Chassis Number Production Per Month
December 0001010 20
--http://www.mkiv.co.nz/
--http://www.angelfire.com/planet/relation23/
--http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm
--http://senk9.kicks-ass.net/manuals/Toyota/JZA80%20Supra/Toyota%20Supra%20MKIV%20Specifications.mht

FRAME NO. Example Description
Frame Type JZA80 JZA80 (Mkiv Supra chassis, twin A-arms, coil over shock)
Frame Number 0022879 7 digit chassis number (001010-0041000, 1000000-1005857)
--http://www.angelfire.com/planet/relation23/

MK4 Supra production "technically" started in December 1992. However only 53 vehicles were built from Dec 1992 through to March 1993. After 15 years, there may only be a handful of these pre-production MK4's on the road today.
--http://www.terra2imports.ca/toyota/supra/
^ this guy counted the early 1993's with the 20 1992's...

Used Cars for Sale | TOYOTA SUPRA www.drive.com.au Production started in December 1992 with only 20 models, but started mass production in April 1993. Refer to the New Zealand Mkiv Supra websitefor detailed ...
www.drive.com.au/.../SUPRA/.../detail.aspx?... - Cached - Similar
^ the car was sold so its no longer listed look at what the ad said was it a 1992 MKIV???

1992 MKIV - 1993 to 1998/2002 Supra
--http://ww3.yuwie.com/clubs/club.asp?id=28824

This is 1 of the 20 ... a 1992 MKIV http://jasperperformance.com/supra/index.html


Toyota's Isao Tsuzuki doesn't have the word 'fanatic' engraved on his business card but he definitely deserves such an appellation. The 48-year-old engineer was assigned responsibility for the new 1993 Supra three years ago after earning his stripes as assistant chief engineer on the past two generations of the Toyota MR2.
--http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/articles/car1.htm


What does it mean? Supra: Derived from the Latin prefix meaning "to surpass" or "go beyond".
Where was it built? Supra was built at the Motomachi Plant in Toyota City, Japan.

Red Raider
07-29-2009, 12:38 PM
Awesome thread!! I would do just about anything to own one of the 20!!! It sucks the Jasper performance Supra is so damn ugly... it could have been one hell of a collectors piece if kept stock. Ah well, I'll hold out hope for the other 19

RogueSupra
07-29-2009, 12:43 PM
Lol I know what you mean... if you find any information that I do not have on the 20 1992 MKIV's please post it up as well as the link to show the information so we know where your going to site it from.

Gene Jasper has a really nice and very rare MKIV there... I like the stillen front bumper on it lol...

HotSupra93
08-01-2009, 09:15 AM
Good job man, I will get back to you when i read every single link.

TheGamerXxX
08-02-2009, 06:55 PM
I wander if anybody is actually checking their 93s... it would be awesome for some rare owner out there to luck out and have one of these sitting in their garage unknownst to them :D

Great info... Can't wait for #2 to be found lol

Luke

RikTT
08-02-2009, 07:11 PM
Nice post especially for the early Mk4's owners. Nice to see the the info sites as well.
Jasper's car has sure changed alot. I remember the silver version best

2JZ-PWR
08-02-2009, 08:04 PM
it would be nice to know how many of these are still here today and not totaled or trashed from some serious wreck that would really suck:tear:. the price if some crazy person would want to sell their 92 model with some decently low miles would be ridiculous if they know what they have in their hands:eek4dance

boost dr
08-02-2009, 08:47 PM
it would be nice to know how many of these are still here today and not totaled or trashed from some serious wreck that would really suck:tear:. the price if some crazy person would want to sell their 92 model with some decently low miles would be ridiculous if they know what they have in their hands:eek4dance

The Jasper Supra above had pretty low miles and was listed on Speedforsale.com a while back for around $40k I think.

RWHP
08-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Wow this was fun to read, thanks :)

2JZ-PWR
08-02-2009, 10:33 PM
The Jasper Supra above had pretty low miles and was listed on Speedforsale.com a while back for around $40k I think.

wow didnt notice that was the same one on their site lol i always saw it on there but didnt think it was a 92 mkiv. suprisingly i thought it would go for more than 40k because of the rarity.

RogueSupra
08-03-2009, 01:53 AM
Good job man, I will get back to you when i read every single link.

thanks


I wander if anybody is actually checking their 93s... it would be awesome for some rare owner out there to luck out and have one of these sitting in their garage unknownst to them :D

Great info... Can't wait for #2 to be found lol

Luke

the 93's are 93's.... they are titled and everything as 92's man... what do you mean number 2 to be found?


Nice post especially for the early Mk4's owners. Nice to see the the info sites as well.
Jasper's car has sure changed alot. I remember the silver version best

thanks... yes the jasper car has... I liked it silver as well.


it would be nice to know how many of these are still here today and not totaled or trashed from some serious wreck that would really suck:tear:. the price if some crazy person would want to sell their 92 model with some decently low miles would be ridiculous if they know what they have in their hands:eek4dance

well thats why I posted this to see what everyone else knew...


The Jasper Supra above had pretty low miles and was listed on Speedforsale.com a while back for around $40k I think.

I saw it forsale on CL and talked to brian at jasper when he had it for sale the 1st time.


Wow this was fun to read, thanks :)

no prob... glad U liked it.


wow didnt notice that was the same one on their site lol i always saw it on there but didnt think it was a 92 mkiv. suprisingly i thought it would go for more than 40k because of the rarity.

well it is a well used track car... I was into it.. but I wanted to turn it back into a more street friendly car.

Wreckless
08-03-2009, 02:16 AM
Awesome thread!! I would do just about anything to own one of the 20!!! It sucks the Jasper performance Supra is so damn ugly... it could have been one hell of a collectors piece if kept stock. Ah well, I'll hold out hope for the other 19

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty damn sure that the Jasper Supra started life as The Rhys Millen 2wd Rally Supra - it was sent directly from Toyota to Stillen and was outfitted for racing from the beginning. It's also a factory 6-spd hardtop. It was for sale on Ebay years and years ago in it's original rally configuration, a shitload of MK3 buzzsaw wheels w/dirt tires, gutted, caged, Kaaz diff (it was the silver MK4 on the Kaaz posters for a long time) fire suppresion system, etc. I'm pretty sure that's when Jasper bought it and rebuilt it to be a drift car. It had all kinds of crazy old school parts on it - Greddy Sidemount IC and some other stuff.

RogueSupra
08-05-2009, 01:31 AM
I have heard this said before a little different but the main points were the same.

I want to know where the other 1992 MKIV's are.....

JeremyBlackwell
08-06-2009, 03:07 PM
I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty damn sure that the Jasper Supra started life as The Rhys Millen 2wd Rally Supra - it was sent directly from Toyota to Stillen and was outfitted for racing from the beginning. It's also a factory 6-spd hardtop. It was for sale on Ebay years and years ago in it's original rally configuration, a shitload of MK3 buzzsaw wheels w/dirt tires, gutted, caged, Kaaz diff (it was the silver MK4 on the Kaaz posters for a long time) fire suppresion system, etc. I'm pretty sure that's when Jasper bought it and rebuilt it to be a drift car. It had all kinds of crazy old school parts on it - Greddy Sidemount IC and some other stuff.

Yep, this info is correct. We sold the car for Jasper to a client in Europe a year and a half ago.

RogueSupra
08-06-2009, 04:18 PM
^ thanks for the info .... well so the Jasper 1992 MKIV is gone out of the USA...

what about the other 19 MKIV's made in 1992... any ideas or leads?

sickazz7m
08-07-2009, 06:00 AM
^ thanks for the info .... well so the Jasper 1992 MKIV is gone out of the USA...

what about the other 19 MKIV's made in 1992... any ideas or leads?

Only feasible way of tracking those 19 mkiv's would be to have their vin number. Are they all the same with the exception of the last four numbers? Carfax could do the dirty work for us.

:wavey:

RogueSupra
08-07-2009, 06:07 AM
Only feasible way of tracking those 19 mkiv's would be to have their vin number. Are they all the same with the exception of the last four numbers? Carfax could do the dirty work for us.

:wavey:

great idea .... but I dont have the vins... also this would only work on USA cars that are 1992 MKIV's... most of them stayed in Japan... so far the Jasper one is the only one I know of or that anyonoe has talked about hitting us here in the USA.

GoFastTSI
08-07-2009, 07:53 AM
Wasn't one of the PPG pace car Supra's one of the original 20? Thought I remembered reading that somewhere.

RogueSupra
08-07-2009, 08:17 AM
Wasn't one of the PPG pace car Supra's one of the original 20? Thought I remembered reading that somewhere.

Was that the white one with the red and orange stripe on it? I dont know if that was one of the 20... find where you read it and post it here...

sickazz7m
08-07-2009, 08:53 AM
Was that the white one with the red and orange stripe on it? I dont know if that was one of the 20... find where you read it and post it here...

There were two of them, the white one you mentioned. And a primarily yellow with a splash of green and blue.

EMonzMKIV
08-07-2009, 08:58 AM
There were two of them, the white one you mentioned. And a primarily yellow with a splash of green and blue.

The yellow pace car was just purchased by a member here. He emailed me pics of the car to post them up on the site for him. IIRC the yellow one was owned by a dealer/or dealer owner in Ma.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Turbo3G/IMG_1766.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Turbo3G/IMG_1768.jpg

sickazz7m
08-07-2009, 09:09 AM
The yellow pace car was just purchased by a member here. He emailed me pics of the car to post them up on the site for him. IIRC the yellow one was owned by a dealer/or dealer owner in Ma.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Turbo3G/IMG_1768.jpg

Thats the one! Care to share the cost of the car? We should check his vin number!

RogueSupra
08-07-2009, 09:15 AM
is that a 1992 mkiv ?

GoFastTSI
08-07-2009, 09:18 AM
That's the one I was thinking of. I'll see if I can find the reference on where I found it.

EMonzMKIV
08-07-2009, 09:21 AM
is that a 1992 mkiv ?

Not sure, As for the cost. I have no clue. I just got the pics from the member who just purchased the car. When the car was at the dealer in Ma they tried selling it to me for $29k (we are talking 6 years ago I could be wrong) I think it was but they claimed it to have 500HP and under the hood is 100% stock looking.


All in all, the new owner of this car is a member here. I will see if I can find his info again and get him to chime in.

sickazz7m
08-07-2009, 09:26 AM
Not sure, As for the cost. I have no clue. I just got the pics from the member who just purchased the car. When the car was at the dealer in Ma they tried selling it to me for $29k (we are talking 6 years ago I could be wrong) I think it was but they claimed it to have 500HP and under the hood is 100% stock looking.


All in all, the new owner of this car is a member here. I will see if I can find his info again and get him to chime in.

Not a fan of the paint, but for ultra low miles (assuming here), 6-speed and hard top its a gem! If he paid under 40k for it then it was a hell of deal.. I know I would of bought had I known it was forsale! :dunno:

EMonzMKIV
08-07-2009, 09:32 AM
Not a fan of the paint, but for ultra low miles (assuming here), 6-speed and hard top its a gem! If he paid under 40k for it then it was a hell of deal.. I know I would of bought had I known it was forsale! :dunno:

the paint IMO has to stay. It is a collector car with some history behind it

BTW it is said to be a 95 by the owner. Which means it is a 95 hardtop which is still pretty damn rare.


Here is the thread
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=540696

EDIT he says he paid $5k for the car in the thread.....

RogueSupra
08-07-2009, 02:41 PM
well it does not matter then... if it were one of the 20 MKIV's from 1992 I would more into it ... since... this thread is about those 20 cars...

EMonzMKIV
08-07-2009, 07:29 PM
well it does not matter then... if it were one of the 20 MKIV's from 1992 I would more into it ... since... this thread is about those 20 cars...

Understood, however I also do belive I saw a pic of this pace car that said 1992 supra under somewhere. That is why I posted the links so far. I didn't realize his was a 95 till then.

Por2geezSupra
08-07-2009, 09:12 PM
EMonzMKIV, you talking about the pace car at the Westboro toyota? If so the one you posted a pic of is not the one from there. He still has his, and his does not have the light on the top and it has chrome BBS wheels on it. I know him personally so next time i talk to him i will ask for the vin so i can see if i can check when the car was made. Would be cool if it were a 92.

RogueSupra
08-07-2009, 09:59 PM
Understood, however I also do belive I saw a pic of this pace car that said 1992 supra under somewhere. That is why I posted the links so far. I didn't realize his was a 95 till then.

I understand... I think that was an ad with the white one... white the yellow and orange stripe ? I think I have seen that one as well.


EMonzMKIV, you talking about the pace car at the Westboro toyota? If so the one you posted a pic of is not the one from there. He still has his, and his does not have the light on the top and it has chrome BBS wheels on it. I know him personally so next time i talk to him i will ask for the vin so i can see if i can check when the car was made. Would be cool if it were a 92.

^ please do...

Poznanski
08-08-2009, 08:02 AM
sick thread i remember that jasper drift supra i believe jeremy blackwell sold it for someone not too long ago

EMonzMKIV
08-08-2009, 08:25 AM
EMonzMKIV, you talking about the pace car at the Westboro toyota? If so the one you posted a pic of is not the one from there. He still has his, and his does not have the light on the top and it has chrome BBS wheels on it. I know him personally so next time i talk to him i will ask for the vin so i can see if i can check when the car was made. Would be cool if it were a 92.

That is the one I am talking about. I went there to check out a couple of cars they had on the lot. They seem to be always salvage repairing TT's and turning them around. I talked to the guy very briefly untill I walked because he was somewhat of a jackass and had very slim amount of realistic knowledge about supras. He was trying to take me for a ride lol.

2jzrx7
08-08-2009, 09:13 AM
that car was for sale on autotrader for a while

Jeff Lange
08-08-2009, 11:56 AM
The weird thing about 0001010, is that JZA80-0001010 was a Japanese-spec JZA80 SZ Targa Automatic with a 2JZ-GE, made in 05/93 (painted 1A1). Model code was JZA80-AJPVF.

According to my Japanese EPC anyways.

Jeff

RogueSupra
08-09-2009, 04:18 AM
sick thread i remember that jasper drift supra i believe jeremy blackwell sold it for someone not too long ago

thanks... Ummm yes he did... if you read the thread on the 1st page this being the 2nd page.. Jeremy Blackwell even made a post and said well just that. lol


The weird thing about 0001010, is that JZA80-0001010 was a Japanese-spec JZA80 SZ Targa Automatic with a 2JZ-GE, made in 05/93 (painted 1A1). Model code was JZA80-AJPVF.

According to my Japanese EPC anyways.

Jeff

lol... well you looked it up wrong my friend... also you did not read the 1st post of my thread. The 1st line "Well this thread is being started for all of us to post any and all information on the 20 MKIV Toyota Supra's that were made in 1992 with frame number 0001010.

These are the 1st MKIV's made... 1992 title and vin dates." From what you have posted you looked up a build vin plate and not a frame number. Please post a link for your information or some way to site it... you just kinda looked it up wrong.

Jeff Lange
08-09-2009, 12:35 PM
I know what websites say about the MKIV frame numbers, and I do know how to look up frame numbers. I was just posting something that people may have found interesting. I'm not doubting what you're saying, just saying that it was probably some pre-production frame numbering system and that Toyota must have restarted the numbering once production started or something.

Because Toyota usually does sequential frame numbering, starting at a certain number and going higher. It just seemed funny that Toyota would make 0001010 during pre-production, and then reuse that frame number once production started.

It's just strange that Toyota's production-run frame catalogs don't list the JZA80 frame numbers in the same way a lot of internet websites list them, that's all.

Anyways.

Jeff

RogueSupra
08-09-2009, 06:39 PM
They are listed the same way on the net as Toyota does them.... again post your site or information.... All this thread is chat for information... your saying points that are of interest... just asking you to site the place where this information is from.

Jeff Lange
08-09-2009, 07:10 PM
The information is from the Toyota parts catalog. I work at Toyota and I also have overseas Toyota catalogs. I'll post up a screen shot of what the catalog pulls from the frame information in the Japanese frame listing for the JZA80.

EDIT: Here you go:
http://jeff.supramania.com/JZA80-0001010.jpg

Jeff

Kracin
08-09-2009, 10:12 PM
The information is from the Toyota parts catalog. I work at Toyota and I also have overseas Toyota catalogs. I'll post up a screen shot of what the catalog pulls from the frame information in the Japanese frame listing for the JZA80.

EDIT: Here you go:
http://jeff.supramania.com/JZA80-0001010.jpg

Jeff

no way to do a reverse lookup is there lol? what about entering frame numbers like 0000001 or something of the like?

JZ1
08-09-2009, 11:01 PM
I haven't seen that car in a while! FYI, those aren't the original wheels. It used to have chrome 18" BBS wheels. I almost put them on my car but they wound up on one of the guy's cars in the Motorsports garage. There wasn't anything particularly done to the engine if I remember. I think there were 2 pace cars like that. I'll have to ask Chuck how many he built and what it specifically had.

One of the silver pre production cars given to Rhys was sold to universal ffor $12k(without drivetrain) for the scene in Fast and Furious where they were in the engine compartment instaling the intercooler. It used to have a bunch of stuff like VPC, Greddy sidemount, twin path exhaust. I got that stuff off Rhys in exchange for a trans I had that he needed for his pikes peak car (another pre production car). I never heard what Rhys did with his original pikes peak car. None of the 2A Pre Production cars should be on the road as they don't have a registerable title (or any title for that matter)

Jeff Lange
08-10-2009, 02:16 AM
no way to do a reverse lookup is there lol? what about entering frame numbers like 0000001 or something of the like?

I tried entering some lower numbers, nothing came up. Keep in mind that my catalog will only show production cars, nothing pre-production. Which makes it strange that the apparent pre-production frame number 0001010 comes up within the production run as a different car.

Just wondering what the actual frame numbers of the pre-production cars are if it is not 0001010.

Jeff

Ishii
08-10-2009, 11:44 PM
This is comedy.

Obviously there were pre production vehicles. They always have frame numbers. How the JZA80 was numbered and quantity I have no idea. But I have seen pre production Toyota cars before and frame numbers are stamped on the firewall.

Also as most of you probably don't know. Toyota of Japan does not advertise or record build dates. Only Date of first Registration. This would be a DOFU.

Even on the parts catalog it says production date, but that is actually the date of registration. It is 100% impossible to acquire a build date of a JDM Toyota. I've tried and tried and tried.

Also obviously the JZA80 was first sold in Japan. There was never a JZA80 registered before May of 1993 that I know of. I didn't bother checking every number up to 1000 on the frame numbers but here is a early one I found which is earlier than all of you are talking about.
http://www.trd.ne.jp/images/0001002.jpg

Also since pre production vehicle are not registered for the street, it is impossible to have a 1992 JZA80. Even if one was built in 1992 you'd never know and until Toyota says they did all information is hearsay.

I didn't see any creditable source anywhere. All information you guys are talking about does not have proof that it came from Toyota. Jeff Lange and I have provided the only accurate info on early JZA80.

If you want to see an early JZA80, well.... here ya go.
http://www.trd.ne.jp/images/jza80.jpg


Ishii

JZ1
08-11-2009, 12:58 AM
I look/deal with specific build dates every day... Dealers see DOFU. :) My car is a SUPER early build BTW but I never looked up the VIN as there wasn't alot of easily referenced VINs prior to like 2000. TMC has them but not much was in the mainframe and definately not dealer referenced.

FYI we put VINs on all 2A pre production cars to track the build but that doesn't mean it is a registerable VIN. Also the cars in US in 92 were gen 3 mules with 2J powertrains in them. There were a few running around socal in 92 but you'd never know!

Supra98
08-11-2009, 12:02 PM
thanks for the read

mhooper2
08-11-2009, 12:10 PM
Ishii,

The pic of the "clay" model if you will. Is that really an authentic pre production model?

RogueSupra
08-12-2009, 05:21 AM
^lol no... not clay not a car.... just to block out a body...


I haven't seen that car in a while! FYI, those aren't the original wheels. It used to have chrome 18" BBS wheels. I almost put them on my car but they wound up on one of the guy's cars in the Motorsports garage. There wasn't anything particularly done to the engine if I remember. I think there were 2 pace cars like that. I'll have to ask Chuck how many he built and what it specifically had.

One of the silver pre production cars given to Rhys was sold to universal ffor $12k(without drivetrain) for the scene in Fast and Furious where they were in the engine compartment instaling the intercooler. It used to have a bunch of stuff like VPC, Greddy sidemount, twin path exhaust. I got that stuff off Rhys in exchange for a trans I had that he needed for his pikes peak car (another pre production car). I never heard what Rhys did with his original pikes peak car. None of the 2A Pre Production cars should be on the road as they don't have a registerable title (or any title for that matter)

^ hmmm I never heard that one ... Also a good point.


I look/deal with specific build dates every day... Dealers see DOFU. :) My car is a SUPER early build BTW but I never looked up the VIN as there wasn't alot of easily referenced VINs prior to like 2000. TMC has them but not much was in the mainframe and definately not dealer referenced.

FYI we put VINs on all 2A pre production cars to track the build but that doesn't mean it is a registerable VIN. Also the cars in US in 92 were gen 3 mules with 2J powertrains in them. There were a few running around socal in 92 but you'd never know!

no not all cars in the us in 92 were gen 3 ....


thanks for the read

no prob...




Never said it was all the info the thread was built for information... never said I had it all... infact I have asked others to post more information so we can see whats out there... these cars were made.... and several people have seen and been in them.., just looking for a little more information on where they are now and what happened... if you work for Toyota then you have a better line to look for more information than the rest of us... so lets all pitch in.

Ishii
08-12-2009, 08:59 AM
so lets all pitch in.

I'm pitching in the fact that if there were any JZA80 made in 1992 then they are not street legal anywhere.

Pre production models that Toyota sent outside of Japan will have tags in the door Jams that will state date of manufacture. When someone posts up a picture of a manufacture date of 1992 then we can all believe it.

Any pre production Supra in Japan will never be production date verifiable.

Anyone who thinks they have an early model JZA80 (that is not a JDM car) can just look in the door jam to see the production date.

Rather than pre production vehicles, the search for the first and last ones sold to the public is more of a worth while hunt. Collectors are always after the first or last. Everything inbetween has no story.

So from what I have seen the first one ever sold was in Japan and is Chasis number: JZA80-0001002

So, what is the first North American JZA80???

Ishii

sickazz7m
08-12-2009, 09:41 AM
I'm pitching in the fact that if there were any JZA80 made in 1992 then they are not street legal anywhere.

Pre production models that Toyota sent outside of Japan will have tags in the door Jams that will state date of manufacture. When someone posts up a picture of a manufacture date of 1992 then we can all believe it.

Any pre production Supra in Japan will never be production date verifiable.

Anyone who thinks they have an early model JZA80 (that is not a JDM car) can just look in the door jam to see the production date.

Rather than pre production vehicles, the search for the first and last ones sold to the public is more of a worth while hunt. Collectors are always after the first or last. Everything inbetween has no story.

So from what I have seen the first one ever sold was in Japan and is Chasis number: JZA80-0001002

So, what is the first North American JZA80???

Ishii

Excellent information here. These pre-production cars seem to be a ghost hunt. JZ1 did shed some light on were a few of the pre-productions went. At the end of the day it doesn't matter b/c you cannot register them.. Hell I rather have an '02 non-registered MKIV than an '92 :dunno:

Nissanownsu
08-12-2009, 11:40 AM
so i have a 93 BB if my vin is jt2ja82j8p0002717 does that mean i lose?

mhooper2
08-12-2009, 12:06 PM
^lol no... not clay not a car.... just to block out a body...

.

I know it wasnt a full size model, it is just sitting on a desk. I was wondering if it was a small scale prototype that is all.

RogueSupra
08-12-2009, 03:51 PM
^ I dont know if that one was.... there is a thread with a ton of pix of the early mock up MKIV's.... thats how the idea got started for this thread ...


Excellent information here. These pre-production cars seem to be a ghost hunt. JZ1 did shed some light on were a few of the pre-productions went. At the end of the day it doesn't matter b/c you cannot register them.. Hell I rather have an '02 non-registered MKIV than an '92 :dunno:

no they are not a ghost hunt in any way. I have factory lo cars myself and those were said to be a ghost hunt at one time. At the end of the day they are able to be regestered... the Jasper Supra was street legal and sold as such.... it was a 1992. If anyone is looking for proof just look at the jasper drift 92MKIV... sold with title saying 1992 MKIV and all.


so i have a 93 BB if my vin is jt2ja82j8p0002717 does that mean i lose?

^ I have no idea what your asking...

Supraholics
09-11-2009, 04:29 PM
Great info here. Thanks for posting it!!!

If there were pre production cars, wouldn't Toyota keep them? Granted they survived whatever testing they were put through.

That yellow one looks like this one:
http://supraholics.com/images/mk4media/mk4med051.jpg

Go here for more pics. (http://supraholics.com/html/mk4pic.htm)

RogueSupra
09-11-2009, 10:34 PM
No prob... like I said some were sold and some were gifts afterwards. GM does the same thing.