Weight Reduction: How MUCH of a Difference?

[Joe2099]

Hey All,

I've been cruising the forums a lot lately checking out what people have done with weight reduction and some of the ideas are fairly obvious (eg, back seats that are 65 lbs) but, anyone who has gone all out ripping out all unneccessary stuff, how much of a difference has it made?

I realize that most are going to say that you have to choose what you want; you have to balance accordingly on your tastes.

I'm just wondering what some of you have done and what it feels like when driven?

- Joe

[Boostin88T]

The spare tire and the jack are a big difference, if you get rid of the back seats and get racing front seats. It'll make a huge difference.

[Joe2099]

Well said... That's probably the most common route... Nobody needs a spare tire when u can get on a cell phone eh? 8)

[Bishop92T]

It makes a big difference. Car just gets up to speed quicker, requires less braking and can handle better. This sounds obvious, but it feels like you're driving a lighter car, even with just a couple hundred pounds off. Everything is more responsive. Driving a 2400lb car is quite fun, too bad the Supra will never get that light and stay street legal.

[Ven]

Every 100lbs you take off the car equals about a tenth lost in the 1/4 mile.

[supraredliner]

Well I have heard that one of the socal guys took the front bumper suport out...that is a COUPLE HUNDRED pounds by itself. I just have to say, that is not going to help you any if you get hit head on, But if your going 100 + MPH it really doesn't matter if you hit someone with the suport or not......your going to die.

[Joe2099]

Ahhhh, Ok... When I read about how u should get rid of your air conditioner and stuff like that it's one of those that make you go "hmmmmmmm... :dj:

I wish the Supra wasn't so heavy, but it's so great in all of the other areas, there's no use in nitpicking... ;)

- Joe

[ma71supraturbo]

air conditioner, radio, interior? bah who needs em! ;) Can't wait till I get a non-cracked block so I can drive my beast to the scales. It was 3620 bone stock...

[becauseican]

Take a look at my Naked Supra thread. I actually took it for a drive like that. Man it flies. I was going sideways through the first 3 gears, it feels like a different car. The turbo and bov sure sound sweet too with no hood on. I figure the car weighs about 1000 pounds lighter now. and it sits 1" higher now.

[aznboi169]

there is this old guy i know here in co. he told me how he lightened some of his stuff by going and changing alot of bolts in the car that are too long with shorter aluminum ones. he weighed all the bolts he took out and it came out to be about 125 lbs. but im too lazy to do that.

[ARTSUPRA]

HOLY FOCKER
:eek:

Originally posted by aznboi169
there is this old guy i know here in co. he told me how he lightened some of his stuff by going and changing alot of bolts in the car that are too long with shorter aluminum ones. he weighed all the bolts he took out and it came out to be about 125 lbs. but im too lazy to do that. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Joe2099]

Yeah, that's a definate last resort option... arrgghh, that's tedious work..

[ONyX]

they make titanium bolt kits for bikes for that reason there super ass light and strong, but hella $$$. Shit if you changed every bolt on the supra to those prob be like 200-275lb lighter.

[SupraSnd]

Originally posted by ma71supraturbo
air conditioner, radio, interior? bah who needs em! ;) Can't wait till I get a non-cracked block so I can drive my beast to the scales. It was 3620 bone stock...


Whew: I've got a targa and they're heavier!! Wonder what I weigh the way she sits!!! My brother in law has 90 LX Stang and he weighs in at 3170 with him in the car! I know I'm heavier, but he can't hang with me at all!!! He hates that!!!

[N8James]

Originally posted by Bishop92T
It makes a big difference. Car just gets up to speed quicker, requires less braking and can handle better. This sounds obvious, but it feels like you're driving a lighter car, even with just a couple hundred pounds off. Everything is more responsive. Driving a 2400lb car is quite fun, too bad the Supra will never get that light and stay street legal.
Mine will.:)

[josbeat]

put a lot of money on your car and you will got a lihgter car.
example:
change all for exotics materials like carbono titanium and aluminium from N.A.S.A.
front hood
seats
piston block
conectic rods and valves in titanium ( all it´s good to lower the weight)
alllllllll

[Enraged]

CF fenders and door skins would lighten the car quite a bit, remove any accessories + all wiring ie AC, TEMS, ABS, etc

[OneWingedAngel]

Originally posted by Enraged
CF fenders and door skins would lighten the car quite a bit, remove any accessories + all wiring ie AC, TEMS, ABS, etc

Doors would be good, but the fenders are light already.

[supraracer01]

Originally posted by Ven
Every 100lbs you take off the car equals about a tenth lost in the 1/4 mile.

i was going to post that too but also one tenth of a second equals about one car length in the quarter.

[Enraged]

not the full door, just the outer skin.

if your going for a lightweight supra, start off with an early model NA hardtop with no options....

[a70]

quit eating donuts .. .don't forget you weigh down the car

[supraracer01]

my 86.5 weighs in at 3400 in stock trim. :)

[flubyux2]

See, the SEARCH buttom works!

My talon is like 3100 lbs after some weight reduction. I used to think that was a Sled, till i found out the curb weight on the Supra is like 3400 lbs.. CRIPES!

Goal: Curb weight = 3100 lbs w/o driver

Here are my ideas:

Pull all Jute padding from under carpet
Scrape off all Tar-mat sound deadner
Cut out any Rubber/vinyl under carpet
Remove Spare tire and jack
Remove 'wood' panel in hatch area and any compartments
Remove Side impact beams in doors (are there any?)
Remove Front Bumper (or does the bumper cover attach to it?)
Remove Rear bumper (or does the bumper cover attach to it?)
Remove ABS unit
Replace Factory speakers w/ lighter more efficient parts
Any bracing under the headliner or side panels to remove?
Remove Vapor canister (can i run the vent line to the air filter housing?)
Replace Front power seats (even though they are SOO cool)
Replace stock seat belts w/ 5pt harness?
Replace SRS steeringwheel w/ Sparco/momo?
Replace Shift lever?
Is there some emissions/AIR pump to remove also?

Any heat sheilds, splash panels, or the like to remove?
Are the calipers big and heavy like MKIV? (can you switch to Celica brakes?)
Switch to MKIV rims?
One peice driveshaft (how much and where do i get one?)


I wanna try to do all the free mods before i start buying upgraded/lightweight parts.

thanks
chris

[flubyux2]

really, thats insane. So your car is pretty bare inside?

I kind of wanted to keep some sort of semblance of a "stock" appearance.

I know at the DSM shootout, if you have your interior completely removed, like how yours sounds, they put you in some kind of Outlaw class. But if you keep the panels and some kind of carpet, you get to be in some Street class, even if you took alot of shit out anyways.

Have you weighed your car after all that?

[projectsupra]

where do some of you get these outragous numbers:rolleyes: sound deadner 80 lbs, i think not i've posted this at least 10 times, ALL the sound deadner weighes 45lbs, the door weighes 45lbs with nothing in it or bolted to it, the door skin is only about 5lbs, the reinforcement is whats heavy, how do i know? heres a sneak peak:D sneak peak (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=74) and come on the fold down part of the back seat can't be more than 20lbs with the bottom being maybe 5lbs, lets see what else.... bumper support, closer to 50 not anywhere near 100lbs, fenders are already light, if your worried about the jack being heavy get a rx-7 aluminum jack, yeah the A/C system is pretty meaty, TEMS weighes next to nothing, aannnddd ooh yeah the bolts, my car is stripped as far as it can go right now and i've got a bucket of bolts, maybe 40lbs at the most:rolleyes: ok i'm done now;)

[flubyux2]

Projsupra, thast interesting, i didnt see any of your posts.

anyways, it depends on how thick the sound deadner is. I know the front seats have got to be pretty heafty, especially the driver seat w/ all the power adjustments...got to be insane.

anyways, my point is...a curb weight of 3450 is RIDICULOUS!! the freakin MKIV is only like 3260, and everyone complains that the MKIV is a Turd.

However, that idea w/ the RX7 jack is good. The jack in my RX7 is only like 3 or 4 lbs...

Id at least like to get my car down to about 3200, i think thats a realistic figure. my main concern is keeping carpet, interior panels and back seat. its nice actually having a back seat people can use, unlike our Talon and my RX7...the back seats in those things have been appropriatly named "AssTrays". its crazy, it really is.

The interior door panels arent that heavy maybe 5lbs each. Where can i get a driver window w/ a crank mechanism? or did most of the supras have pwr windows? I will keep the pass door power, cuz i HATE leaning over and crankin the window down...it looks so stupid when someone does that. You know, Semi trucks have crank windows on the driver side, but pneumatic window on the pass side.

Do the JZA70 doors have side impact beams?? if not, then i wont feel so bad about takin mine out.

As far as the front and rear impact bars...i would feel wary of takin the rear out since i cant control other drivers and they might hit me.. But the front i wont feel so bad, since im in control of what I hit...i already learned the hard way to keep a BIG distance..so big of a gap that people automatically think im letting them into my lane.

[projectsupra]

all the posts are pretty old, and nobody uses the search anymore it seams:( yeah drivers seat is close to 65lbs and the pass is only 30something lbs:p there is three types of sound deadner in the car, a sheet type, a ply type with insulation inbetween the sheets, and a sheet with mesh thats tacked to the back wheel wells, i chisled it all out, put it in a bucket and weighed it, 45lbs
edit: all supras came with power windows, i suppose you could make rx-7 manuals work but why lose the option to save 20lbs;) all doors have the save reinforcement, here (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=71) is a pic

[sammydafish]

I've got a crap load of stuff outta the car right now. I'm gonna go buy a scale to weigh it all soon. I'll index everything as I do it. This is just such a pointless thread without anyone doing that. So many people just guestimate how much stuff weighs and you'd be surprized how far off you are. I'll post my results in a about a week.

Just for the record though, a turbo MKIV is 3500lbs

Exterior Dimensions Base Sport Roof Turbo Turbo Sport Roof


Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3255 3315 3425 3485


Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) 3215 3275 3415 3475

[projectsupra]

EVERYTHING has already been weighed, there was a post a while back that had everything in it, exact wieghts. i feel ya with the people guestimating stuff:p wait hold on i'l just dig up the post myself since noone else will
edit: alright HERE (http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98612&highlight=weight) it is

[Mk threeing]

Let me clarify this

Driver seat---72 lb's
pass seat-----45lb's
spare---------50
sound deadening tar---45
a/c-----------------------20-25
charcoal canister -----5
Cruise controll---------5
rear seats-------------???30 most

i think i got everything cosmetic here.Get ready ............................................. TOTAL WEIGHT ISSSSSSSSSS........................................................................................................................................... ...................................................................................................................................................... ................................................................................................................DING DING DING 277 POUNDS!!!!!!!!
Ok put back the racing seats-------------30lb's
i put in a set of 240 sx seats that weigh ----30lbs each so i totaly saved 217 lb's

not bad huh?This thread is so dramatic,lol.I love talking about weight savings,because its mostly free,and no need for a turbo

:D

[ma71supraturbo]

277lbs? I dunno I went from 3620 to 3050. I also removed cruise, AC, windsheild/headlight squirters, radio, and have a fiberglass hood skin...

Oh and I wouldn't remove those door braces unless you have a full cage with a "Nascar bar". Those reinforcements might add enough strength to save your ass if some moron ever blows a red light and T-bones you...

[supraracer01]

i posted this on STLSR board but will post again here as it fits well.and my car is running tip top now.



well for all of you who dont know. Me and Str8jakett have quite a bit in common. we are both named Ryan, both drive Mk3 supra's, both are N/A, both 5spds and both are burgandy. well we were driving out to hooters last night and i was following him and well he has his int. gutted to hell. where as i have a full int. but i have more mods than him.

well we are on 270 going to go pick up a friend. we i pull along side and at 60 we punch it well i pull ahead prolly about 5-6ft before his car starts to gain well by the time we stoppedi was at his back bumper. surprised the hell out of both of us. we contributed this to a few factors. like my tires are 225/60 series and his are 225/50. and that my car is running very lean.

well we go and pick up our friend who makes up the differance for the gutted int. well on our way down to so. co. we line up again this time we punch off at 70. well i instantly take off and pull away easily. by the time i hit 110 i was a good 2-3 cars ahead.

who knew that little weight could make such a big differance. although i have a theory why my car is running so bad( i raced an 02 turbo passat from a roll and barely won) is that my O2 sensor is not in direct flow of exhaust so has a flase reading and also i found a leaking pipe at my TB. making my car run very lean. it was weird i tried 4 times to top out and the car wouldnt go past 110mph. in 4th or 5th gear. when before id hit 140 with reletively no problem. so as of now we will call this a draw. and when he gets his hacked up exhaust fixed and i get mine fixed well have another go.

[Thermactor]

Originally posted by supraracer01
my car is running tip top now.



although i have a theory why my car is running so bad:love:

[supraracer01]

i just copied and pasted that from another site i wrote it on. this was two weekends ago i have since fixed it.:twak:

[ma71supraturbo]

O2 sensor does not come into play under Wide Open Throttle, perhaps you had (have) a vacume leak letting unmetered air in?

[flubyux2]

thts probably what it is...Bad intake leak will fudge everything up.

Yea, i LOVE FREE MODS!!!

Alot of people gripe about how AWD DSM's weigh...and we did All the free mods that can be done and the weight reduction in the back half, and the car is about 2950 w/o the driver.. 3120 with the driver...i couldnt Beleive that shizzle..

Jeff (MA71) how did YOU get your car down to ~3000??? is it pretty barren inside your car or what?

I think i would only remove the Side impact beams if i had at least a 6 pt cage...even then that might be a little risque...or is that risky?

I also wanted to try fabbing up front and rear impact bars out of Aluminum thats similar in thickness to the steel thats currently on the car.

My girlfriend has to drive the Talon all the time, and its pretty loud inside...you can hear the tread noise from the tires very well, plus the gear noise from the rear end...plus the air rushing under the car since we took bolts out and there are now open bolt holes that lead under the car...Its just a bunch of "WHHHSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" when you putt down the road. Its worth it though... sometimes. She says that she doesnt want me gutting the supra cuz its so plush compared to her car... she sometimes wishes she hadnt gutted the talon..oh well.

[mk37mge]

my car weighs 3300 even with me in it. that was after a shit load of weight reduction.
i took out everything with the ac,sound deddining,carpet,spare,back interior,back seats,charcoal canister, power steering, and other small stuff. i still had my jack in, i dont know why. but i remember when i first got the car it weighed like 3540. thats a pretty big difference. i never got to see the difference at the track though. i would of proably seen high 14s all motor which sucks,lol. but once the spray went on i never really ran it on motor.

[adjuster]

LOL, what about driver weight reductions? LOL
Heck, I probably weigh more than two or 3 of you combined, so the only mods that will make sense to me are power adders, not cutting up the carpet, removing the seats, and making your nice GT car loud and uninsulated. (Try that one in the North, you'd be a frozen critter if you tried to drive very far with no interior at 20 below zero.)
I agree with the alloy front and rear rebar mods, but don't ever take out the side door impact bars.
I adjust claims, and if you want to die, go ahead and remove them. It's your choice. I think someone mentioned T-bones, but there was a comment about ok on the front, because I can controll who I hit? Hello, ever seen a head on collision on a two lane road? They are very common, and with no front bar, you are taking your chances. I'd rather be hit from the back with no rear bar than in a frontal impact. The rear structure of the car will take up quite a bit before it "hits" you. The front is not so kind. Nice little things like the engine and transmission, not to mention the tires and suspension all come back into the front seats. The tires are really good at being pushed back into your feet, and folding the bottem of the A post and floor up around your ankles, then you get to have them amputated. If you live that is. I've seen side impacts on trucks and vans before they were required to have the bars, and the passengers were mangled. (Many of them are fatalities, or they lose limbs or are vegtables for the rest of time.
So, have fun, take out some excess weight if you want a louder car, but don't mess with your basic safety systems, that includes the seats. If you replace them, use grade 8 or better bolts to secure the new ones, don't rely on cheap slider brackets to hold your seat belt anchors, and if you do attach to the floor, put fender washers on both sides of the bolt to keep it from pulling through on impact. (adjusted a claim on a honda with carbon fiber Sparco race seats. The owner had bolted them to the floor, but did not use any washers. I asked him about it later when they removed the wire from his jaw and face, and he said he did not want to add any more weight. On impact, he and his seat came out of the floor (bolts just pulled right through, and were still attached to the seat.) and into the steering wheel and dash. He is lucky to be alive, and lucky he did not modify the steering wheel as it crushed and deformed just like they are designed to, and that saved his chest and torso from intrusion. Grade 8 bolts, and fender washers on both sides of the part your mounting to is a safe way to do it. Had this guy done that, he was in a 5 point harness, and excellent seat. He might have just unbuckled the belts after the loss, and walked away.

[87supra]

i took out everythin in my trunk, the spare, and all the tools, the board, foam, jack, little compartment thingies, the big metal piece. but i didnt take the trunk carpeting off because its attatched to the seat. i want to go lighter, but i still want everything to look normal. what else can i take out that is decently heavy? how bad does it look when you take the back seats out??

[Jewishjalopi]

i didnt feel like reading all the posts... but your back seats way almost nothing, no need in taking those out. but... front drivers seat is 70lbs. (i weighed them) and passanger is 35lbs. so go from there.

[ma71supraturbo]

Originally posted by flubyux2
Jeff (MA71) how did YOU get your car down to ~3000??? is it pretty barren inside your car or what?


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[supraracer01]

Originally posted by Jewishjalopi
i didnt feel like reading all the posts... but your back seats way almost nothing, no need in taking those out. but... front drivers seat is 70lbs. (i weighed them) and passanger is 35lbs. so go from there.


actually the back seats weigh in at about 65lbs. they do have metal in them.

[ma71supraturbo]

my rear seats didnt weight much in and of themselves, but the seat belts and metal brackets that it attaches to did add up...

[flubyux2]

MA71, YIKES.... thats what our Talon looks like...we at least in the back. The front half of the car still has some semblance of original...except we took the leather seats out in favor of cloth, unadjastable seats from base model Talon. Looks like you still have a little Tar matting on your inner fender well...:)

I dont know if im THAT committed to losing the weight. I guess, ill take out what im comfortable with (everything EXCEPT AC, PS, PW, Impact bars and top layer of carpet) and see where that gets me. I DO live in florida, and i know im gonna regret takin the AC out, and it IS a heavy car w/ big front tires, so ill regret takin the PS out. Cant find any crank-window conversions so ill be stuck w/ Power. I dont want to die or be crippled in an accident, so ill leave my safety equipment in. And i want it to "LOOK" decent, so ill leave the top layer of carpet behind.

How do i get NHSTA approval on home-made bumpers? I really want to make Alloy front and rear impact bars, but i want them to be certified also so that i know they are good and wont crinkle like a beer can in an accident.

Adjuster, any thoughts?

Thanks

[suprahajimoto]

i got my car down to a wopping 3150 and found out that in the quarter you can loose traction big time, but on the freeway its a blast. rainy days watch out. i dunno about removing the abs though, it has saved me a few times, it all depends on where you take the weight, most of the weight is taken from the rear which explains traction, now if you can take it from the front, thats a different story, i think some torch cutting might come in hand, but then again i love the feel of steel around me

[flubyux2]

Word up.

It sounds like your car is unbalanced now, and the rear is too light.

Id rather have a well balanced car then an all out, gutted GT car. whtever, i take from the front, i wanna take out of the rear. and vice versa.

I did some reduction my RX7, and the front was only 680 lbs of the 2720 race weight...thats some shitty distribution... that means the curb weight of my FULL INTERIOR RX7 was 2500 lbs!!!!

[waynis]

weight makes all the diffrence, my friend drives a probe gt that weighs around 3000 pounds, i drive a 89 na. we both have exhuast and intake. we were kneck and kneck. almost even. his car has 165 horses stock. supra is too fing heavy!

[flubyux2]

ok, i started my car on a Diet.

I want it to look normal when im done, as in, still interior panels and carpet. But i did strip all the padding off the carpet, got rid of that wood panel, and the brackets under it.

Whats up w/ the Spare?! its bigger than my RX7 wheels!!! freakin 16" spare?! a 205-55-16 tire?! cripes...thats a FULL SIZE SPARE!

I took out the rear most speakers too, the 6CD changer, and the 8" bass tube, still got a 2 channel amp and rats nest of wires back there though.

Took the rear seats out, found marbles and 2 dead cockroaches under there. I pulled the jute padding out from there also. the seats probably DO weigh about 30 lbs. They are going back in when im done, so are the interior panels next to the seats. I think the cargo area can stay stripped, except for the carpet, i think im puttn that back in to look nice. except, its lining the floor, and the tire will sit on top of it.

Water leaks? I have standing water in the spare tire well, and there was moisture under the rear seat cuz the bracing was rusty and the jute pad was musty and wet, and also in the grooves right at the bottom of the reinforcments where the access to the side corner markers are. Why the hell is it leaking in there, i dont know where its comin from...

Most importantly, WHY SO MUCH GODDAM SOUND DEADNER?!?!?! this is the thickest ive seen on ANY car. and whats w/ the wire reinforcment on the sound deader on the inner fender well? and why the hell is it SPOT WELDED on?! Is there one good reason why its 3/8" thick?!

What is THE best and easiest way to remove this shizzle? I gotta get rid of this junk ASAP!!

thanks!

[projectsupra]

i dunno why you act so supprised to find all this out:rolleyes: you know the car weighs a good 3500lbs, much more than a rx-7 or DSM, so even once you strip it theres only so much your going to be able to loose, short of tube framing the car with a kevlar body:p i love having a full size spare, newer cars now are coming out with it now so i get to say i'm the origional, my car had that in 87, and this car is a luxury/GT sports car, 8 way power seats, airbag lumbar and side supports, auto climate control, and a VERY smooth and quite highway ride:) the sound deadner is thick for a reason, and the deadner with the mesh is to stop reverbirations in the rear panel when you hit bumps and crap hit your inner fender well. and most likely you've got water leaking in from your tail light seal, very common. geeze you sound like you're having withdrawls from the rx-7, i mean do you try to make your current girlfreind like one of your ex-girlfriends, when shes special in her own way ;)

[flubyux2]

current girlfriend into my ex? well actually, now that you mention it...no, she was a neglective bitch who never made any effort to spend time w/ me or even contact me...

Anyways, i think i do wanna keep it looking normal like i said before. I just want to get the sound deadner off, I dont really care about how much noisier it will be. You dont know noise untill youve ridden in a Nonturbo RX7 w/ a full exhaust and a header...THATS noise. I dont get headaches from it, but it does drone on and on down the hiway. It is practically as loud as a SPort bike w/ a loud pipe...you really can hear it miles away when i get on it.... the flames are cool too. :)

"How do i get my Supra to sound like a rotary and shoot flames???" JK, crazy withdrawals...

I can understand water leaking in around the tail light gasket since they get old and brittle and fall apart. they did on my RX7. But, how did the water get all the way up under the rear seats?

Shawndude said he used a Water hose to pull up his sound deadner... i dont see how that works... that shit is on there GOOD. the only way i can think of, is using the spatula/putty knife/screwdriver w/ a hair dryer... Plus, i dont wanna fill my car with water. what do you think Project???

I wanna pull all the sound deadner off, im not worried about the thermal or audible consequences. so what the dilly?

[outofstep]

Flathead screwdriver and a hammer. It comes out in big chunk.

[flubyux2]

well ill give that a try. Thanks Cheif. Was there alot of residue left when you chipped it up? or did it come off pretty well?

[outofstep]

nothing a sanding once over couldn't get rid of. Didn't realy leave anything behind once it was chipped up.

[projectsupra]

actually its easier if you have a 1" chisil, cause its wider and will take bigger peices off, its time consumong but it comes off pretty easy and do not use a heat gun cause it just melts everything and turnes into a sticky mess, and i have a n/a rx-7 with no exhaust at the moment and its pretty loud:) , sucks about the GF, i was just pointing out that this car will never be an rx-7 or DSM, its in a class of it's own

[jtamulis]

How to lose what, Almost 1000lbs


I droped the motor into a MKII. I found to so mean that now
I sell 12 second MKIIs for $7500.
(with a/c full interior, etc)

Jeff

[2JZ_MA70]

Ok, I think this discusion is focusing on wrong weight reduction...

Yes it is free and cheap but that doesnt save much pounds and just adds inconvinience.

The focus of weight reduction is getting and replacing parts that are heavy with parts that are redesigned to have the same structural streinght for just a fraction of the weight.

Weight reduction (if you want it to work) can be expensive


I got to go but I will list some of my ideas later tonight.

[flubyux2]

i chipped up the sound deadener under the back seats...man its about 20 lbs. i cleaned it up a little, gave up trying to get the residue off since no one will see it anyhow, the seats are going back in. Ill start in on the trunk tommorow. I used a standard screwdriver..it probably took longer than it would have if i had a 1" chisel or something. But i was able to tap the screwdriver way under there and pull some big chunks. a Big fat chisle wouldnt be able to squeeze under there w/o cracking the tarmat. I did use the claw part of the hammer to reach under and pry it up a little at a time, i was able to get even bigger pieces off this way.

I took my spare tire out and saw water marks (like on a tanker or boat) inside the well that were only an Inch below the floor of the trunk. Must have been a big leak somewhere...there was still water at the bottom. It rained this afternoon and there was more water behind the inner fenderwells again.

I think im going to get a pair of sparco or corbeau seats and some 5 PT harnesses (installed properly w/ Grade 8 bolts and extra Fenderwashers :) ) that way i can dump the heavy ass seats and stock 3pt belts w/ retractors. Also, ill try to make some fiberglass trim panels that insert into the sail panels beside the rear seats. They are held in w/ 2 clips in the front and jsut slide out, and they have the 3 screws behind them that hold on the whole interior panel. You know, these are the panels that are parallelogram in shape /____/ should save me a few lbs.

Project, you wanna help me figure out some dimensions to build some Alloy/Aluminum plate front and rear impact bars?

[2JZ_MA70]

Everything that has been sad is great idea and ppl need to decide what their level of comfort is.

The points that need to be addressed are:

Front and Rear cross member. Redesigned with lighter construction. Estimated saving of up to 200 lb. Posibly more if proper metals like Titanium and high carbon tool steel are used.

Dashboard and All Metal suports behind. (Est WS 100 lb). More if replaced with Carbon Fiber unit.

After properly designing a row cage one can replace many of the flor panels with aliminum that would be 1/3 of the weight of the steel used there. The wheel wells and suroundings can be cut out and removed completely or replaced with CF or Alum. (WS ~ 30-200 lb depending on how particular you want to get =) )

The rear window and quaterpanel windows can be replaced with Lexan. (not recomended if you want to keep your defroster.)
Misc brackets and bolts removed as last resourt. (WS ~50-70 lb)

After instalation of a row-cage much of the body can be guted because the main support is now provided by the row-cage. (WS ~50 lb)

Last resourt can be replacing the Power Steering with a manual unit. (Flaming River makes a unit for the mustangs that is suppoused to fit the Supra. ) (WS ~30-50 lb)

Remove the A/C system and lighten the heater box by removing all motors and directing air in certan position permanently. (maybe to the footwell and windows.) Or make a custom unit that would house only the blower motor, heater core and flex hose for ducts. Last resourt REMOVE the complete unit. (WS ~30-100 lb)

Rear seats removed and front replaced with light weight racing ones. (WS ~200 lb)

I will try and do much of that and I will let you know what I come up with... =)

I will probably have to buy another car after that but oh well in the name of the SUPRA it is worth it =) LOL

[ma71supraturbo]

yeah I only went as far as I did because I can still use the MR2 when I need to. I used a chisel to get that tar out, its a pita, but worth it -- even if you just put the carpet back down to make it look stock.

Just be careful with it, I made the mistake of letting my domestic buddy help me and he put a nice hole in the floorboard chiseling too hard (he also likes to overtighten bolts "76ft-lbs?! no way man, those wheels are gonna come off! Better make it 100!")

[projectsupra]

the front and rear impact bars don't weight that much, and definetly not enough to justify replacing it with something i made vs. something that was designed by a team of engineers;) i trust my life to my roll cage but i wouldn't sell it to anyone else. and i can't believe you would think about tube framing you're car if your not going to go all out racing with it:rolleyes: power steering weighs nothing, the only thing you loose with going manual is the 10lb pump, reserviour, and some metal lines, it won't add up to 15lbs, i'm just doing it for road feel and cause thats that much less maintenance i have to deal with. another thing, i have every bolt that is put into the supra (except the subframe ones) in a bucket and it doesn't even weight 40lbs, the dash is relitivly heavy for a bunch of plastic and the tube brace behind it is too, but the won't add up to 70lbs. ok i'm done replying to this thread now, for some reason its getting my blood pressure up:rant:

[2JZ_MA70]

Like I sad Im not sure on the numbers that is why I was guestimating.....

I will let you know what comes out of this.

The bigest weight saving will be in the 2 subframes and I plan to invest most of the money there.

The PS pump, lines, fluid, rack... it should add up to 40 lb.

The CF dash is a good idea but we will see what happens.
The dash I bet I can get 100 lb off. The dash its self is pretty hevy tehre is the harness that can be thined out the brace support and the center console all the misc stupid control modules...

[projectsupra]

ok i'm back with pics to put these GUESSESTIMATES to rest;) if you wanna know the weight of anything, now is the time and i'll weigh it, for now i got the dash crossmember (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=77) weighing in at a wopping 10lbs, the dash (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=78) very heavy at 21.5:rolleyes: , and the power steering pump (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=79) at 10.5lbs, i tried to weight the climate controll boxes but there under 5lbs each so my scale won't weigh em, and the reserviour and metal lines for the pump can't weigh 34.5lbs;)

[flubyux2]

LOL, project, is that the new concept called sarcasm??

I saw where this company made a hugh FMIC for the WRX and they supply a new Alloy front impact bar thats only 1" tall, but still conforms to the crash test rating. If they can make an aftermarket bumper to take up less space, be lighter, and still do the same job, so can we. I dont think there is a whole lot of "engineernig" going into bumpers. You make the metal thick enough to get the job done, weld it in the proper areas, drill the holes to mount it, and Viola, your done. It only takes a person w/ a 2 year degree to find out what thickness to make the metal and where to weld it for key strength and least labor. It takes someone w/ proper measuring devices and a drill to find out where to put the mounting holes and drill them. And as far as making sure it gets the job done, that takes a few prototypes and tests (trial and error) and recording the results.

As far as aluminum floor inserts...i dont want to risk having them SUCKED out while im racing, and then skidding along at the same speed of the car for 20 seconds whilst throwing straw colord sparks that only Ferrous metals can create. and then having it fly up when it passes under the car and create a UFO.

Another thing bothers me about Nay sayers. I had to deal w/ that on the RX7 club alot too. "oh, that only weighs 10 lbs, and This only weighs 7 lbs" well, you know what, if you take a bunch of things off that only weigh 10 and 7 lbs, it ALL ADDS UP!!!! its not like once you remove something, you have to start over again, and find some object that weighs X amount just so that it counts as a weigh reduction...

I converted my RX7 to manual (well, non power) rack and its a pain the ass. especially the amount of bump steer i get when drifting, id defnitly put my PS pump back on. and i wont bother taking it off my supra to find out if theres a difference.

i get to chip the crap out of my trunk tommorow.

Ill save the floors, firewall, and driveshaft tunnel for another day. and you can bet that crap WILL come out, i dont care if the floor gets hot.

EDIT: btw, can you weigh all the seatbelt equipment for either the front pass or driver seat? Do you have the 5 spoke MA71 rims to weigh also? Do you have the Stock DP w/ elbow and exhaust to weigh?

[projectsupra]

sarcasm, yeah thought i'd give it a try LOL:D i guess we could make some, i've got a MIG so we could use aluminum if you think it would work. but i just get tired of hearing "i think this weighs Xlbs" when it really weighs something totally different:p yeah you must have some tar thats not glued down good or something, i had to chip it all up and the biggest peice was only about an inch wide:( , of coarse my was sitting in a junk yard for 4 years. i can weigh the seatbelts but my cars an n/a so no turbo parts:( oh yeah but i totally know what you mean about the rx-7, mine is the lightest of the light and has the manual steering, i love the feel of it, much better than my bro's with power steering, but to each their own:p

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by projectsupra
where do some of you get these outragous numbers:rolleyes: sound deadner 80 lbs, i think not i've posted this at least 10 times, ALL the sound deadner weighes 45lbs, the door weighes 45lbs with nothing in it or bolted to it, the door skin is only about 5lbs, the reinforcement is whats heavy, how do i know? heres a sneak peak:D sneak peak (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=74) and come on the fold down part of the back seat can't be more than 20lbs with the bottom being maybe 5lbs, lets see what else.... bumper support, closer to 50 not anywhere near 100lbs, fenders are already light, if your worried about the jack being heavy get a rx-7 aluminum jack, yeah the A/C system is pretty meaty, TEMS weighes next to nothing, aannnddd ooh yeah the bolts, my car is stripped as far as it can go right now and i've got a bucket of bolts, maybe 40lbs at the most:rolleyes: ok i'm done now;)

I bet you those are 280 ZX T-tops.
Also bumpers 50 lbs would be good, if replaced by aluminum ones (not as effective).
If the bolts are 40 lbs it would be a nice upgrade. But beware, only you can replace non critical bolts with aluminium bolts, critical bolts with titanium. Aluminum bolts are lighter, but at the end it would be only 20 lbs.

Also I had a friend who used a very light carpet in all his stripped interrior, it looked nice.

PS the driveshaft should shave 20 lbs.

[projectsupra]

close... 86 300zx tops, i almost got the 91 style but decided these were closer to the curve of the roof

[flubyux2]

LOL, youre gonna break your damn bathroom scale...and then what are you gonna tell the Old lady?!

Thats cool though. I thought about removing the Rear most speaker sets, the ones w/ the Q-form boxes and the separate tweeter. those are kinda hefty. then i thought, they probably put out some good sound, maybe i can just get rid of the ones by the hatch cover anchor point...but thatll only add up to about 5 lbs total...and not worth the sacrifice in sound (i like my stereo loud and clear)

My tarmat must not be on there very good, cuz i can chisle up pieces about the size of a CD case...but then i will get pieces that are the size of a quarter also, so go figure. I just couldnt belive the one guy was gettin whole sheets, but i think its possible w/ high pressure water, it doesnt create pressure points that cause cracking like a chisle will.

Oh well, hows the Ttops going? what was the donor car?

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by flubyux2
LOL, project, is that the new concept called sarcasm??

I saw where this company made a hugh FMIC for the WRX and they supply a new Alloy front impact bar thats only 1" tall, but still conforms to the crash test rating. If they can make an aftermarket bumper to take up less space, be lighter, and still do the same job, so can we. I dont think there is a whole lot of "engineernig" going into bumpers. You make the metal thick enough to get the job done, weld it in the proper areas, drill the holes to mount it, and Viola, your done. It only takes a person w/ a 2 year degree to find out what thickness to make the metal and where to weld it for key strength and least labor. It takes someone w/ proper measuring devices and a drill to find out where to put the mounting holes and drill them. And as far as making sure it gets the job done, that takes a few prototypes and tests (trial and error) and recording the results.

As far as aluminum floor inserts...i dont want to risk having them SUCKED out while im racing, and then skidding along at the same speed of the car for 20 seconds whilst throwing straw colord sparks that only Ferrous metals can create. and then having it fly up when it passes under the car and create a UFO.

Another thing bothers me about Nay sayers. I had to deal w/ that on the RX7 club alot too. "oh, that only weighs 10 lbs, and This only weighs 7 lbs" well, you know what, if you take a bunch of things off that only weigh 10 and 7 lbs, it ALL ADDS UP!!!! its not like once you remove something, you have to start over again, and find some object that weighs X amount just so that it counts as a weigh reduction...

I converted my RX7 to manual (well, non power) rack and its a pain the ass. especially the amount of bump steer i get when drifting, id defnitly put my PS pump back on. and i wont bother taking it off my supra to find out if theres a difference.

i get to chip the crap out of my trunk tommorow.

Ill save the floors, firewall, and driveshaft tunnel for another day. and you can bet that crap WILL come out, i dont care if the floor gets hot.

EDIT: btw, can you weigh all the seatbelt equipment for either the front pass or driver seat? Do you have the 5 spoke MA71 rims to weigh also? Do you have the Stock DP w/ elbow and exhaust to weigh?

:bigthumb:
10 things that weight only 10 lbs ea. How much could it be?...
oh yeah 100 lbs.:D
I want a flywheel (20 lbs lighter and driveshaft 20 lbs less).
That will cost almost $800 so if I could take it from somewere else, would also be nice. I would not take insulation though.

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by projectsupra
close... 86 300zx tops, i almost got the 91 style but decided these were closer to the curve of the roof

:D :D :D :D
Nice, they look awesome!!!!
Good job!!!!:)

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by suprahajimoto
i got my car down to a wopping 3150 and found out that in the quarter you can loose traction big time, but on the freeway its a blast. rainy days watch out. i dunno about removing the abs though, it has saved me a few times, it all depends on where you take the weight, most of the weight is taken from the rear which explains traction, now if you can take it from the front, thats a different story, i think some torch cutting might come in hand, but then again i love the feel of steel around me

move your battery to the trunk, also install one od those new light weight batteries (15 lbs).
:cool:

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by Mk threeing
Let me clarify this

Driver seat---72 lb's
pass seat-----45lb's
spare---------50
sound deadening tar---45
a/c-----------------------20-25
charcoal canister -----5
Cruise controll---------5
rear seats-------------???30 most

i think i got everything cosmetic here.Get ready ............................................. TOTAL WEIGHT ISSSSSSSSSS........................................................................................................................................... ...................................................................................................................................................... ................................................................................................................DING DING DING 277 POUNDS!!!!!!!!
Ok put back the racing seats-------------30lb's
i put in a set of 240 sx seats that weigh ----30lbs each so i totaly saved 217 lb's

not bad huh?This thread is so dramatic,lol.I love talking about weight savings,because its mostly free,and no need for a turbo

:D

You only saved 216 lbs, you need a phone (1 lbs ) :D (although if you walk to the nearest station will make you loose 1 lbs, ah ok you saved 217 lbs)

This is nice, good job. I replaced my seats with tenzo (29 lbs + brackets) it feels better.:cool:

[Jewishjalopi]

actually the back seats weigh in at about 65lbs. they do have metal in them.

Im not quite sure what drug your on, but the leather rear seats that i have sitting in my room on the floor dont really weigh much. the bottom portion cant weigh more than 3lbs. and im guessing the top 2 weigh about 5lbs each. so thats an approx. 13lbs. how about you take your back seats out and weigh them cause i already have.

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1309859

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1530089

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1530102

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=1530103


those are my rear seats... and they dont weigh 65lbs. I'm 110% positive.

[2JZ_MA70]

Originally posted by projectsupra
ok i'm back with pics to put these GUESSESTIMATES to rest;) if you wanna know the weight of anything, now is the time and i'll weigh it, for now i got the dash crossmember (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=77) weighing in at a wopping 10lbs, the dash (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=78) very heavy at 21.5:rolleyes: , and the power steering pump (http://groups.msn.com/projectsupra/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=79) at 10.5lbs, i tried to weight the climate controll boxes but there under 5lbs each so my scale won't weigh em, and the reserviour and metal lines for the pump can't weigh 34.5lbs;)

OK Im sorry I was wrong as I sad they are guestimates I got nothing to back them up with.

I thik I can get 100 off the dash. There is lots of junk back there that can be removed. If you add it up it would come close to that.

The car frame cant be 2500lb that is just outrageous and stuped... I gues i would have to get the plazma cutter and start going at ti and see how much I get off... =)

My suprize is that the heater box is only 5lb or less...

I just want to get the car down to ~3000-3200 lb with decent interior....

Again sorry im wrong.... OK!!!!

I will let you know what happens.

[IdRockaSupra]

is their a diff in weight between the 1jz and 7mgte ?

[projectsupra]

hey i didn't mean to be so harsh if i came off that way 2JZ_MA70:o

[ma71supraturbo]

Originally posted by 2JZ_MA70

The car frame cant be 2500lb that is just outrageous and stuped...

No, but don't forget about the inline six (read: long block and crankshaft) and transmission. Those two with fluids (plus radiator etc) probably come damn near 500lbs.

The problem I see with just cutting away metal is that the supra doesn't have a "frame" perse. And since I don't know which bits and peices are helping uni-body rigidity, I probably won't cut much metal out until the day comes when I can have the car tube-framed (or more likely tub-framed). And even then, I doubt I'll ever see the lite side of of 2500lbs...

And as I've said all along, there isn't really any one large item you can remove and magically get to RX7 weight. It's just a gradual removal of 10lbs here and there. There may have been 30 items all weighing in at 10lbs or less I removed. But when you've finished, you don't have much of a street car left.

Oh and one last remark. I've got a overflowing bucket of bolts and brackets that easily weighs 40lbs. But in it are things like the front tow bars used to hold the car down when it was shipped from japan (don't worry about winched on a flat-bed if you want to be towed, I was winched by my a-arms just fine), and the rear hanger for pulling the engine.

EDIT: that reminds me, the alternator/front engine hoist bracket weighs maybe 5 lbs (stupid cast-iron). Perhaps the MKIV style intake kits will replace that bracket with an aluminum one? Same goes for the exhaust manifold -- cast iron (and the turbo elbow too).

[flubyux2]

Damn...Ive decided that i want to keep some of the luxuries in the supra...but i dont need a 70 lb 20 way power adjustable seat...espcially since its ripped to hell and pieces of leathe rmissing. same for the passenger seat. Plus, after i spring for new chairs, ill throw in a set of harnesses so i can get rid of the stock hardware.

Where can i get a one piece driveshaft??? Should i have one custom made from an Ford Aerostar (1 piece aluminum 3" diameter) or any van? what kind of yoke connects to the tranny? is it a slip yoke or does it bolt into the tail shaft, and the driveshaft bolt up w/ a 4 bolt flange?

I chipped all the tar mat out of the trunk and under the rear seats... Ill save the front half of the car for another time. it was quite a chore, and i got a headache and nausiated from the reverb inside the car. really messed w/ my inner ear. anyhow, id like to get rid of frivalous stuff and stuff that is not absolutly necessary.

Im trying to focus on stuff that doesnt COST anything to do since im stone Broke and only plan on spending money if i HAVE to like...the HG which i need to do if i want to actually drive this car.

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by Jewishjalopi


Im not quite sure what drug your on, but the leather rear seats that i have sitting in my room on the floor dont really weigh much. the bottom portion cant weigh more than 3lbs. and im guessing the top 2 weigh about 5lbs each. so thats an approx. 13lbs. how about you take your back seats out and weigh them cause i already have.

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those are my rear seats... and they dont weigh 65lbs. I'm 110% positive.

Would somebody weight them please?, 3 lbs sounds too light while 65 lbs is too heavy.

[sammydafish]

Originally posted by daniloreyes


Would somebody weight them please?, 3 lbs sounds too light while 65 lbs is too heavy.

I'll weigh them tonight. The bottom part is light, but the top parts are kida heavy with the metal framework and latches in them. I wouldn;t be that surprized if the whole back seat assembly was upwards of 50lbs or so.

[flubyux2]

ill be its around 35 lbs for the seat backs, bottom seat, and the mounting hinges and the latch bracket and the associated bolts.

[sammydafish]

ok well.. to resolve the back seat thing. The whole assembly only weighs 28lbs. A little less than my guess. This is for leather seats too. The power driver's seat in leather weighs 65lbs. I measured it all tonight and I calibrated my scale before hand. I've began to put together a spreadsheet with all the weights of things that I've gathered. All that's on there I weighed tonight. I'll do more as time goes on. The spreadsheet is available here (http://24.194.146.125/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls) If anyone has info to contribute to this IM me -> AOL amoredis or PM me and I'll stick it in there.

[ma71supraturbo]

Very nice Sammy. LMAO about the TSRM -- I better leave that on in the trunk for weight distribution ;)

[www.xpnet.org]

Lolz, Keep the weight.. Just add more hp

[flubyux2]

yea, i gave up. a turd is a turd... and you cant polish a turd... So, im goin for more HP...thats the whole purpose of a Supra anyhow. Im not going to worry about a certain weight Goal...im just going to remove what is necessary w/o sacrificing my creature comforts...Que Sera Sera, Eh Vato?

Oh, and dont bother trying to chip off the tar mat thats spot welded to your inner wheel well...its a BITCH to get off. the top layer is ok, thatll come off if you rip the mesh off. but the layer on the Metal, is made out of some Porous tarmat, and it isnt solid enough to just pop off in big pieces...i was chipping and chiping and only getting CRUMBS...i got it all off, but theres a nice coating of tar still on the panel that i cant get off unless i used Xylene or brake cleaner to dissolve it.

[SupraMK3]

Originally posted by www.xpnet.org
Lolz, Keep the weight.. Just add more hp

No offense to you xp, I'm just using your statement as an example of the common misconception towards weight reduction.

First and foremost, weight reduction is the ONLY car modification which will make a car (any car) accelerate faster, brake in a shorter distance and improve handling as well. Nothing else you do will improve all 3 performance aspects at the same time. Plus it's free! If going in a strait line though is the only kind of performance you care about, then weight reduction is not for you. For autocrossing and road racing though, weight reduction is invaluable.

Of course, it does have its drawbacks... increased noise, potential ugliness, decreased comfort, etc. Just depends on what you're willing to sacrifice for performance.

[flubyux2]

:stupid:

Very true.

But weight reduction, or at least relocation CAN benefit some Drag strip attendees. More weight transfer to the rear, unload the fronts, plant the rears harder, improve your launch characteristics.

If theres one thing i learned from Drag racing...its not how much weight you have, its where you put it. sometimes, too light is a bad thing...you simply cant plant the meats, and hook.

I know im not going to take a once-fabulous car, and ruin it by making it uncomfortable and ugly, this car was ahead of its time and can hold its own against most of the cars out there today. So, i just figured ill make do w/ what i got.

he is right, its the best bang for the buck mod that you can do...FREE is not someting to shake a stick at. :)

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Just weighed my car today too.

It's an '87 Turbo Targa 5-speed with ABS and TEMS. Weighed it with about 3/8s a tank of gas, 245/50-16 tires, and my tool box in the back. (128pc. Craftsman socket set) Also any crap like my water jug in the back (I know Supras well enough) and anything that was in the console and whatnot. The car did NOT have the spare in it though, but it did have the jack. The car came to 3540 just like that. But that's what is weighs this week... he he he :D

[sammydafish]

updeted the MA70 weight index spreadsheet today. I added a few more things. I'll add a buch this weekend so check back soon. You can get it here (http://24.194.146.125/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls) if you have legitimate additions, PM me or IM to amoredis.

[projectsupra]

hey if you want me to weigh anything i have EVERYTHING out of my car, except the subframes lol:) , but i'll do it. i've got a 87 n/a with TEMS and headlight washers, so if your curious about something thats not on the list. oh and sammy the dash i weighed had nothing in it but some wiring, hmm i might have to weigh all the wiring in the car :lol:

[flubyux2]

Did you already weigh the stock DP w/ cats and then the cat back? i cant remember. But i know im going to lose that crap soon. :)

[sammydafish]

added a crapload of stuff today. we now have 448 lbs. of supra accounted for. More on the way :)

you can get the list here --> A70 Weight Index (http://24.194.146.125/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls)

[CTsupra]

omfg, people just start ripping shit out and see where you are when you cant keep traction.......jeeeezzzzzzzzz..us




















:D

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by sammydafish
added a crapload of stuff today. we now have 448 lbs. of supra accounted for. More on the way :)

you can get the list here --> A70 Weight Index (http://24.194.146.125/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls)

I think the turbo flywheel should weight more, doesnt it?

[sammydafish]

Originally posted by daniloreyes


I think the turbo flywheel should weight more, doesnt it?

Nope, wighed it today on a scale certified by NYS Dept Weights and Measures :) actually, it's the clutch that's the super heavy part. The whole clutch/flywheel assyembly is a hunk of lead weighing in at just over 40lbs. And that's all rotating mass too!

[flubyux2]

will the manually adjustable MKII seats fit in the MKIII???

I think they have the same adjustments...just not all the wires and power motors...save me quite a bit of weight, but keep some of the luxury...

[daniloreyes]

An aluminum radiator weights very little (40% less). How much the stock radiator weights?

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Here's where I'm at so far. Haven't reweighed it yet, because I want to do something about the seats and finish removing A/C condenser and stuff, but I notice a BUNCH of difference int he way the car comes on and runs! I'll post back after the next few take outs, and post up the new weight...

Scotty

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Another...

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Another... Empty rear with sound deading removed....

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Last one,.. just more sound deading removed. Man that was a pain!.lol But I had two garbage bags that I swear would have weighed 40-50lbs together when I was done.

[flubyux2]

looks like you still need to chip it out from under the back seat and trunk in those pics. You got it off the rear fender wells right? quite a bit of work for about 5lbs eh?

I was afraid that all the sound deadner in the garbage bags was going to bust thru cuz it was too heavy for the bag itself...cripes man..

[Supra Guy Scotty]

OOPS,.. mixed up the before and after pics. Already got all that out, and still have a bunch to go. Gonna pull out the ol' Plasma cutter next... :D 2900lbs,.. here I come!

Scotty

[sammydafish]

ahh.. saw this thread popup and relized that the link to my site was broke. If you want the MA70 Weight index, get it HERE (http://24.161.30.77/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls) :D

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Still haven't weighed the car yet,.. but took it to the strip yesterday to see how it would act. Sloppy TEMS suspension set on normal, 30psi in the tires, and about half a tank of gas in it.

Previous best was 9.68 @ 78.5mph, with many consistant 9.75 runs... New best... :D

[projectsupra]

lol nice run, i wanna know how much mine weighs casue yesterday i put my back tires on to move the car around and when i let the jack down the suspension didn't even compress, it looked like a monster truck, i had to jump in the hatch to make sure it wasn't stuck or something. it's still not light enough for me to pick it up but the back end won't compress the suspension at all :D

[flubyux2]

thats what happend w/ my buddies 79 camaro. he removed quite a bit of weight from it, and his front end wont compress the springs at all...its crazy.

Are there any solutions to that besides Cutting the springs? i dont know if there are any "Light duty" springs for these cars... Maybe coil overs?

[Supra Guy Scotty]

I know what you mean about the 4x4 look. I'm probably going to cut my springs. I like the sloppy suspension on it right now because of the weight transfer it gives when I launch in Normal mode on the TEMS. Heres a pic of my "lifted" Supra staging for that run! Hilarious!..lol

Scotty

[Supra Guy Scotty]

BTW ProjectSupra, I'd love to get to see your ride sometime while its in the works stages still. I dont think Anderson is TOO awful far from Aiken, I'll have to check on that. Your cars becoming really bad ass! Nice work! Maybe we could hook up sometime and I could see the beast in progress! :)

Scotty

[sammydafish]

Once again, I added more to the A70 Weight Index today This list is starting to get quite long. I know one thing that has come up a few times is the front bumber.... 44.5 lbs :D If you want the list, you can get it here --> http://24.161.30.77/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls

[Carl]

What do you open this file with buddy?:)

[sammydafish]

Originally posted by Carl
What do you open this file with buddy?:)

Microsoft Excel

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Well,.. still haven't weighed my car,.. but I got some new numbers to throw up there. Went to Commerce GA.(Atlanta dragway) this last friday. I ran a 13.5 @ 103mph. My 1/8th was a 8.74 @ 83.4 mph. This is all on a stock engine, fuel, everything. Nothing but weight reduction, and 3" pipe straight out and HKS EZ boost controller. 11psi of boost. Spun bad the first 30 feet or so. Gonna try some kind of tire soon. Oh well,.. Just thought I'd share! :D

Scotty

[sammydafish]

ok, added more stuff to the A70 weight index this morning. It's in excel format. You can get it here. -->A70 Weight index (http://24.161.30.77/suprapics/A70WeightIndex.xls) One big thing I weighed this time. All the sound dedning material in the whole car. One thing to note here. The material in the hatch area is much less dense than the material in the rest of the car. so those who have estimated the weight based on what they took out of the trunk. It's simply not a good comparison. So what does it all weight? 42lbs. A worth while endevour? I don't really think so. I plan on putting down new sound material in the car, so I didn't want to double up and have the extra weight, but my car is destined to be a show winner, so I'm forced to go the extra mile. One other thing the did weight a lot was the black sound material pad that is against the firewall. This thing weighs 8.5lbs. I though that was a little heavy for its size. I'm replacing this also. For the curious, here are some pics of a total empty supra:
http://24.161.30.77/suprapics/stripped.jpg

and here's what all that sound crap looks like crammed into two boxes and on the scale :D
http://24.161.30.77/suprapics/onscale.jpg

[GreenPunkBlood]

i dunno if this got posted earlyer, but a good reduction is the stock seatbelts on the front. Just replace them with some 4 pt harness. they weigh next to nothing. also, maby the admin should sticky this so people dont yhave to search for this all the time.

anyways, i put weaponR 4pt harness in the driver and passenger and they weigh jack shizzle (ooo ghetto whitboy!)


p.s. that supra isnt totaly empty, i still see an e-brake:)

[sammydafish]

Originally posted by GreenPunkBlood
i dunno if this got posted earlyer, but a good reduction is the stock seatbelts on the front. Just replace them with some 4 pt harness. they weigh next to nothing. also, maby the admin should sticky this so people dont yhave to search for this all the time.

anyways, i put weaponR 4pt harness in the driver and passenger and they weigh jack shizzle (ooo ghetto whitboy!)


p.s. that supra isnt totaly empty, i still see an e-brake:)

Rear seat belts only weight 5 lbs for the pair, including latches.... I can't find the front ones right now, but I can't imagine they are that much different, I don;t see how a 4pt could weight any more than a pound less, so you'd have better luck hitting the john for a #2 before you go racing... you'll probably save more weight :p .
... BTW, the car is much more empty now... check it out --> http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130119
all that's left now is the ebrake, but that will come out in the paint booth :cool:

[Jewishjalopi]

I've been cruising the forums a lot lately checking out what people have done with weight reduction and some of the ideas are fairly obvious (eg, back seats that are 65 lbs) but, anyone who has gone all out ripping out all unneccessary stuff, how much of a difference has it made?

Back seats dont weigh 65lbs.

[daniloreyes]

I Weighed my car. 88 turbo ht
3700 with me (227 lbs). FYI

[projectsupra]

I weighed my car today too..... 224lbs so far and all it lacks are the engine, tranny, rear end, and seats. Oh wait... we were talking about Supras not Midgets :p

[SupraOfDoom]

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/fakebusiness/car20.JPG
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/fakebusiness/car18.JPG

[Bishop92T]

Great, you brought back an old thread for two big red X's...

[SupraOfDoom]

Originally posted by Bishop92T
Great, you brought back an old thread for two big red X's...
Damn Angel Fire!

[Yawgmoth]

is your car purple?

[SupraOfDoom]

Originally posted by Yawgmoth
is your car purple?

Nope its Cameleon.
Hehe, its how I bought the car. It looks better then you'd think In person IMHO. I actually saw the car in an add on autotrader and looked at it for a laugh... but I ended up buying it the next day.

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/fakebusiness/car19.JPG

[LaDuce]

Im planning on doing the basics- front seats replaces with lightweight seats, take out back seats, take out jack and spare.

[SoupedUpSupra]

I'm suprised nobody has mentioned rims. The stock sawblades weigh a ton! I replaced em with 91 5 spokes which were noticably lighter, and i could feel the difference. Cut down your rotating mass while making your car look good!

[Mk threeing]

i weighed my car 2 weeks ago and it was 3100 lbs and thats:

without the front end,(meaning hood,fenders bumper etc)but with the bumper support

and without the rest of the stuff in my sig

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by SoupedUpSupra
I'm suprised nobody has mentioned rims. The stock sawblades weigh a ton! I replaced em with 91 5 spokes which were noticably lighter, and i could feel the difference. Cut down your rotating mass while making your car look good!

I replaced a set of chrome aftermarket 16" with the supra tt 17"s
The tt's weight like 10 pounds more. At least they are 17's...:(

Also replaced the jack with an aluminum one:cool:

[NashMan]

yae my car is 3330 that pretty light

plsu that is wiht added weight form spring sway bars ect

stock sway bars are light as feather st are ton heavery but well worth it

[BrokenSupra]

you guys are all forgetting a crucial point... paint... paint weighs alot... hehe... but hey noones gonna drive around in a unpainted supra now are they

[daniloreyes]

Originally posted by BrokenSupra
you guys are all forgetting a crucial point... paint... paint weighs alot... hehe... but hey noones gonna drive around in a unpainted supra now are they


uMMMM....:rolleyes:
Maybe, no paint and just a clear coat, A La Back to the Future!!:D

[NegativeGeForce]

hey guys ive got the ultimate weigh reduction mod...

take out the motor, tranny, and rear differential!! THATS LIKE 600LBs!!!!! :D jk

[Nick Stonawski]

quik way to save wieght... LOSE WIEGHT U FAT COW!! :p :D

[p5150]

nobody mentioned this - damn this thread is old....

I used an air hammer to remove my sound deadner - I was done in one hour.

[zdr93523]

i used "the club" and just beat on the sound deadener until it cracked and just pulled it out, real quick

[Spoolme]

what is the sound deadener?? i suppose its hard to break...

[CornerDoctor]

anyone know how much the front seats weigh? I guess about 4 billion lb but anyone who's actually weighed them.

[alex7542]

well guys when i went to the track i took out all the interior except the driver seat middle consul and dsah board. but everything else was out the panels the seats carpet passanger seat everything. and i dont have a power antenna or wiper in the back or wing.
with taking everything out i only lost about 200 lbs. i rember weighing the car with everything and bout 1/4 tank of gas was i believe 3400 and then with same quarter tank and everything out 3200 now what im question as i speak did i have a 1/4 tank or 1/2 tank of gas with everything out i dont remeber. but it gives u an idea. atleast

[Drew@blitzkriegmedia.com]

I tried to read all the posts and I don’t think I saw any weight estimates for the hood or the hatch. Has anyone weighed these? I would guess those two items would give you the greatest weight reduction out of any of the parts on or in the car.

[ladmo]

This thread reminds me when me and my friend took his crashed 300zx NA and took basically everything off it. We took off all the fenders, the bumber, the hatch, everything inside and anything else that wasnt needed. All that was left was the hood, drivers seat, steering wheel and some other stuff so that it ran. It was crazy. It picked up so fast and u could loose traction in every gear. Even when u just mashed on the throttle while rolling the tires would start spinning. Best part about it was standing up in the back with the hatch off while he drove 60 down the road. If you want a rush thats a good way to get one :D

[supraortycomplex]

targa is 25 pounds.I weighed it last week.hatch is around 65.

[mk3smakemehappy]

how do u weigh ur car??

[Ominous Supra]

i removed the front passenger seat, back seats, jack and spare...i'll prolly gut the interior whenever i go home...but i did notice a difference with the first four things missing...i just can't wait till i can replace my seat

[hoser813]

what about replacing the whole motorized antenna with a lightweight plastic one that doesnt retract? Mine was broken so I went to autozone and got a stationary one for like $5, and the the motor assembly was a good 2 or 3 lbs. It all adds up.

[zdr93523]

How many people on here actually weighed their rides?? And how many are guessing off of the weight on the title or the door sticker etc...just wondering?



I actually weighed mine...3840lbs without me in it

and 3660lbs with the backseats and everything behind them including the sound deadening removed also without me in it.

I still have A/C and whatnot...oh and mine's a hardtop!
These cars are heavy ass pigs!!!!!!

[GrandLordKhorne]

Actual weight on my 911 was 2733lbs when I started and I was getting slaughtered by STi's, striped it down to 2118lbs (I have a set of scales if you live in south Mass) now I out run my buds Testarosa and I only push 217hp. Of which I still run a carped interior with a sound system and the stock dash (carbon fiber body. If anyone is selling there MkIII and want to trade for my other 86' 911 Carrera (stock except wheels, seats, harnesses and intake) drop me a PM.

[GrandLordKhorne]

Got myself a Mk III last night... Man they are Super heavy!

[Vssc400]

to those who removed the sound dampening materials... how much louder is the car?

[sammydafish]

Oooo... old thread. There are a bunch of posts by me in this thread to my A70 Weight index. Those links are all dead now as they point to my old hosting. Here's the new links, they will always work so feel free to bookmark em.

A70 Supra Weight Index
Now Available in both Micro$soft Excel format and PDF

Available from www.trdsupra.com under the resource links or right from these lnks here.

A70 Weight Index in Adobe PDF Format (http://trdsupra.com/library/A70WeightIndex.pdf)

A70 Weight Index in Micro$soft Excel Format (http://trdsupra.com/library/A70WeightIndex.xls)

[AGlobalThreat]

For all the people that have problems reading the weight index:

(BTW sorry for new post, but this way people that may have had trouble before now realize that pics are posted)

http://deprived.krypt.com/WeightIndex1.bmp
http://deprived.krypt.com/WeightIndex2.bmp
http://deprived.krypt.com/WeightIndex3.bmp

[dirtyjerseybmx]

i took all of the AC stuff out of my car, cruise control, charcoal canidster, some useless brackets, back seats, spare jack and crap, back plastics and tore up my front carpet and took ALL sound deadening out of my car, with me in the seat my car weights 3300 lbs.. it use to weight 36 something almost 3700 lbs, and i felt a big differance

[sammydafish]

http://www.trdsupra.com/images/media/18_PictRureea_r1569.JPG doesn't load for me :\ What is it?


link doesn't work in the PDF version, it gets cut off. The Excel version shows the full link, which is this http://www.trdsupra.com/images/media/18_Picture_1569.JPG

Which points to this:
http://www.trdsupra.com/images/media/18_Picture_1569.JPG

[LordLo]

Pour some salt water on your car after sanding it down to the bare metal. Free weight reduction right there! :bigthumb:

[MKivSupra_Rob]

So as far as getting a head start on weight reduction, swapping a 7mgte into an 86.5 (no abs, no tems, hard top) is going to save me some time, as once its stock with the 7mgte, i should have an advantage over my buddies stock 88turbo(with abs, targa,tems)

[SupraOfDoom]

I'll be weighing my car as soon as I get it running, I'm guessing its around 3200-3300 lbs. I also plan on running a near stock 1JZ at the track like that.

[JtWo]

Another way to remove sound deadening is to put dry ice on top of it for about half an hour, then break all of it off with a hammer...works like a charm.

[SupraOfDoom]

You have a +1 waiting for you when you do...

[sammydafish]

WTF, ... damn SF....

damn... forgot how far behind I am in updating this thread and my weight index ... I've got a notebook full of more parts to add, hopefully I'll get to it soon

[kssweeper28]

I Love Weight Reduction!!!

[Strannik]

machine your crankshaft
you can get about 3.5-4 kg off it easily

[Blksupra1JZed]

Wow I am glad I ran across this thread. I don't think I saw an answer but who knows the weight between the 1JZ-GTE and a 7M? I had a 7M-GE but thats somewhat close enough.

[Mark3Turbo]

dont forget both catalytic convertors are 23lbs(combined)

[TEMPEST]

Porsche has been doing weight reduction for decades. Obviously go with all the lightest materials, I wouldn't use any aluminum bolts that shouldn't be aluminum, but one of the most cost effective ways to reduce weight is to remove material. Porsches answer...drill the shit out of it! Suspension links, under the hatch, under ALL of the interior, all the beams under the hood, Under the door trims. Make it look like swiss cheese. Then if you are still froggy after drilling for about 2 weeks, dimple EVERYTHING!ALSO use a countersunk, or punch to lip every hole you made in panels thinner than .30. This will cold harden the galvanized steel you normalized then you drilled it.
Cold hardening will make it more resistant to corrosion and strengthen it. As an example I lost 3 lbs off my front bumper (support). Huh!? 3 lbs isn't a lot..? Well not to start...but let me whip a 3 pound weight at you, an' it's not so much to laugh at.
Your engine has to accelerate that 3 pounds, your brakes stop it. Think about it next time you and your kid are playing catch with a bowling ball.
Now do..the WHOLE car.

TEMPEST

[Supra_Z]

Wow I am glad I ran across this thread. I don't think I saw an answer but who knows the weight between the 1JZ-GTE and a 7M? I had a 7M-GE but thats somewhat close enough.

i know for a fact that the 1J is lighter than the 7M but if i remember correctly it isnt by that much.
and does anybody know where to buy a lighter driveshaft from? like a carbon fiber one or something stronger than that?

[Supra_Z]

WTF, ... damn SF....

damn... forgot how far behind I am in updating this thread and my weight index ... I've got a notebook full of more parts to add, hopefully I'll get to it soon

are you gonna post the full list on what to take out and replace and about how much weight it should take off?

[4G63]

Hi mkiii guys :)

Weight reduction..how much of a difference?

Well, I personally noticed a HUGE difference on my MKIV after knocking off 400lbs :sadance:

A lot of people will argue the advantages, but I'll always be a fan of weight reduction. It improves my acceleration, braking, and turning. I can't think of too many mods that will improve all 3 of these aspects. Also, a lot of the weight reduction I did was free...can't beat that.

Hoping to hit 29xx lbs by the end of this year, and I'm confident I'll reach my goal. My current weight of 3080lbs is scale verified. Since then I've done some more things and my new weight will be in soon. Weight junkies unite.

Billy

[jizake1jz]

how do u weigh ur car??
:stupid:
where do you go to weigh your car?

[jizake1jz]

another thing we need the weight of... the gas tank. i dropped it down to put a walbro in, i wish i would have weighed it.

[4G63]

:stupid:
where do you go to weigh your car?

Some gas stations have weigh scales for semis...that's where I weigh mine.

Accuracy is usually to the nearest 20lbs, and they always round up. Since mine came in at 3080lbs, its somewhere between 3060 and 3080.

Billy

[TEMPEST]

Some junk yards have scales...So they can bill you on how much you dump. Might do it for free....might need you to float a few bucks.

[TEMPEST]

Bye the way, Billy my hats off to ya. I was reading my MKIV brochure the other day, TOYOTA's talking about how they put the Supra on a diet with hollow carpet fibers and shit... Still weighs 3300 plus! Way to go gettin' it down. Have you drilled it?

[Mark3Turbo]

took out charcoal canister, cruise control, and all interior pieces from the drivers seat back(minus the speakers and sound deadening) and dropped .3sec off my 1/4mile

[badboy26]

Convertible mk3 - weighs in at 2827 lbs ... huge difference, quarter mile is 13.2 - 13.6 everytime, nearly bald tires, stock turbo and boost, no engine mods.

[Mark3Turbo]

Convertible mk3 - weighs in at 2827 lbs ... huge difference, quarter mile is 13.2 - 13.6 everytime, nearly bald tires, stock turbo and boost, no engine mods.


no offense but do you have any proof? pics, timeslips?

[badboy26]

There is a pic of my car on this forum at http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380580&page=4&pp=25
The weight is from a weigh scale at a garbage dump site with nobody in the car...as for the timeslips I haven't gone to a track with my car, the #s are from a gtech pro.

[kayledao]

i striped down my 87 turbo to bare bones and mare minium to run no interior, no dash, no heat nothing in the hatch lexan windows
replaced the glass with lexan everywhere but the windshield and i only have one seat
me and my buddy can now lift onside of the car all by ourselves but it is a little uncomfotable to drive
love catwalking thru 3rd gear thou
lexan windows made the biggest difference almost to the point where i have lost too much weight in the rear end having all kinds of problems hooking; my talon had no such problem but the top end was lowering than the supra
dsm are crappy
supra-lover forever

[kronizer]

Take a look at my Naked Supra thread. I actually took it for a drive like that. Man it flies. I was going sideways through the first 3 gears, it feels like a different car. The turbo and bov sure sound sweet too with no hood on. I figure the car weighs about 1000 pounds lighter now. and it sits 1" higher now.

got a link to this thread?

[AGlobalThreat]

Took me 3 seconds to search and find it I suggest you learn how to search because other people on this forum won't be so nice now that the search works just fine.

http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60741&highlight=naked

[futeki_mk3]

removing some of the heavier stuff from the front and back of the car ( like re-bar)
wont this throw off the wheight distribution of the car?
I see people stripping the shit out of the back of their cars, and leaving the front normal, I would think removing 100+lbs out of the rear would mess up the distribution

[Mark3Turbo]

removing some of the heavier stuff from the front and back of the car ( like re-bar)
wont this throw off the wheight distribution of the car?
I see people stripping the shit out of the back of their cars, and leaving the front normal, I would think removing 100+lbs out of the rear would mess up the distribution

it does....people are just that stupid.

[Dirty_MkIII]

Well i havent done much to my MKIII as far as Weight Reduction goes, but ive talked to a few people how have. They told me its not worth the time to gain a few hp if that.

[coltboostin]

Every 100lbs you take off the car equals about a tenth lost in the 1/4 mile.

Its not a straight equation-relative to the size of the car.

For example-my Colt was 2200lbs. If I pulled another 100lbs out of it- I would probably see 2-3 tenths and another 3-4 mph traction limited. An 03 Cobra does not even flinch being 100 lbs lighter, since its so heavy already. Thats why people don't bother taking weight out of them.

[AGlobalThreat]

Well i havent done much to my MKIII as far as Weight Reduction goes, but ive talked to a few people how have. They told me its not worth the time to gain a few hp if that.


You don't gain horsepower by removing weight.

Not worth the time? That's completely up to the person doing the work. It's absolutely 100% worth it to me, I'm STILL trying to find ways to make my car lighter.

[86.5na t supra]

im suprised nobody has put the battery where the spare tire used to be, that is gonna be my first weight change, and some different seats, i hate my cracked to hell leather seats

[topguncam3888]

im suprised nobody has put the battery where the spare tire used to be, that is gonna be my first weight change, and some different seats, i hate my cracked to hell leather seats

I heard a couple times (i think it was in sport compact car too) that the best place for the battery is between the rear strut towers for balance. Go with a lightweight battery though if you want real weight reduction. Otherwise is will be just redistributing the same old weight plus a couple pounds with the new extra lenght wires.

[benchwarmer]

im suprised nobody has put the battery where the spare tire used to be, that is gonna be my first weight change, and some different seats, i hate my cracked to hell leather seats

I did that and it made a noticeable difference in the way the car drives. It turns in a lot easier with the better weight balance.

[86.5na t supra]

im not too woried about the weight of the battery, i only run drycell batterys anyways, so it will be my optima red top. anything to get some weight out of the nose... and make up for the missing spare, jack and plywood since i left the spare on the rx7 when we hauled it off to the crusher

[disturbed1]

hey guys - i managed to strip my supra down to 1180 kg in ready to drag mode

[benchwarmer]

2600lbs!?!? Wow what did you do?

[Ds650rida]

didnt read through everything but I've been told that 7lbs = ~1hp

[mark88]

removing weight does not equal horsepower, but you could say removing 7lbs gives you the same result as 1hp extra, but 7lbs is not 1 hp

[SupraOfDoom]

I hope you got a daily driver if you get into extreme weight reduction! I have a second Supra for that hehe.

[disturbed1]

2600lbs!?!? Wow what did you do?

fully stripped it!!

still retained the factory glass all round my power windows however i plan to change the rear hatch over to lexan.

im hoping thats another 15-20 kg to save there

atm its in no state to drive on the road but although the car is still regod, it will be a drift/drag car

[AGlobalThreat]

Is it a tube frame chasis?

Narrow body? - What engine?

[disturbed1]

no its factory chassis

wide body

7mgte turbo - manual

[AGlobalThreat]

Do you have any proof of your weigh-in at 1180 kg?

[disturbed1]

Do you have any proof of your weigh-in at 1180 kg?

not as such, had a few mates that can vouch for me along with a well know australian a70 owner (photographer)..

other then that, u could probably ask IJ if im the type of person thats full of shit

but yeah, i dont need proof as such, i'll leave it up to u if u want to believe or not

posting pics is prob good indication of what i have done to the car

[AGlobalThreat]

Did you weigh it on a scale that was correctly calibrated for the weight of a car?

[disturbed1]

weighed it at the state drag strip...i guess most drag cars will be somewhere between 800 and 1.5 tonne and id also guess that the weight of these 5 sec drag cars is pretty important..

but yeah - the scales might be reading within 5 kg off

[AGlobalThreat]

Well then please tell me how you removed 1000+ lbs from the car without tube framing the chasis, tubbing the rear, or even converting to lexan windows.

Do you have fiberglass fenders+hood? A fuel cell?

[disturbed1]

Well then please tell me how you removed 1000+ lbs from the car without tube framing the chasis, tubbing the rear, or even converting to lexan windows.

Do you have fiberglass fenders+hood? A fuel cell?

nope all original fenders and bonnet and hatch - each with their fair share of bog in them

ive also painted the car inside and out extensively so that may add a few kg on its own also

yes im running a 5 gallon fuel cell
a small 7 kg

....ill take some pics for u today

[disturbed1]

now b4 u see the pics - realise this is a track dedicated car that isnt completed yet!! it was slapped together from a rolling shell within a week inorder to make the last drag meet for the season. as such i havent painted and installed all the exterior trims and sideskirts etc. the car will remain stockish looking on the exterior. the wiring will be redone more professionally as 1 day to wire up whats required to make it drive in 1 day simplly isnt enough time (lights/indicators/power windows, battery and all other accessories down from scratch)


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and just to prove its not a tube chassis

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[benchwarmer]

That's pretty hot man, seriously. I'm digging the open, side venting exhaust. That that thing must sound like monster going down the track.

[disturbed1]

suppringly not that loud as ud expect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5itq2cYrC8

[disturbed1]

did the turbo calcs lie to me also???

think u gotta go strip a supra for yourself then when u have actually done something or qualified to share your opinion - then do so

must just have been a coincidence that when i stood on the scales with the car also, it registered 1280kg

fuck me dead - i actually weigh 94 kg naked as well - must be magic

[hottscennessey]

Very nice disturbed1,
Questions:
-Is that the bosch 044 fuel pump?
-How is it doing at that angle, I was told they would fail if not mounted under the sump?
-Is it more efficient to run dual inline pumps as you are, or dual pumps on separate feeds to the fuel rail?

[disturbed1]

yes that is an 044 pump on the angle however thats a fuel filter in the background. im only running 1 pump. the bottom of the pump is about 4" higher then the bottome of the tankgiven its suck a small cell, each time ive started the car it has been full so ive had no problems at all trying to prime itself (so far)

[disturbed1]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/812/05092008002dg6.jpg

[IJ.]

Hey it's only 575 Kg's lighter than my car so what ;) <jk>

[syndacit]

This is drastic but you can drill holes in the frame/chassis...strategically of course, can drop about 100-200lbs, but I wouldn't feel safe hitting a deer in that car...of road use only

not sure if someone had already mentioned that but I really didn't feel like reading page 3-8.

[IJ.]

This is drastic but you can drill holes in the frame/chassis...strategically of course, can drop about 100-200lbs, but I wouldn't feel safe hitting a deer in that car...of road use only

not sure if someone had already mentioned that but I really didn't feel like reading page 3-8.

Just how much do you think an A70 chassis weighs if you think you can remove 200lbs with holes?

I swear some of you kids need a big helping of STFU until you find a shop that sells clues in blister packs...... :gtfoslap:

[AGlobalThreat]

disturbed1,

I deleted my previous posts. I weighed in at 2780 lbs today (1260 kg) and honestly was not expecting to be that low. My intercooler weighs a ton and I havent cut out all that metal like you did (This is my daily driven street car). I have a lot of respect for you and your car because it takes a lot of time and work and I know because I have been there.

[Ds650rida]

that car sounds sweet. and did god make your shifter? where can i get one?

[bigsupraman66]

I ripped out my interior completely. The only thing left is the door panels, stock seats, and aluminum dash. Back seats out, no interior other than those components. I drives light but, maybe too light?

[disturbed1]

disturbed1,

I deleted my previous posts. I weighed in at 2780 lbs today (1260 kg) and honestly was not expecting to be that low. My intercooler weighs a ton and I havent cut out all that metal like you did (This is my daily driven street car). I have a lot of respect for you and your car because it takes a lot of time and work and I know because I have been there.

if thats an apology then accepted hahaha

[disturbed1]

that car sounds sweet. and did god make your shifter? where can i get one?

can buy them for 260 usd, just have to buy a tko500 to fit it on first though :)

[USPtwins]

i bring my supra to weight watchers and we are loosing lbs! lol:lol:

[Zumtizzle]

Bye Bye!

Minus Disturbed this thread is fail!