mustang 5.0 rack question

[DigitalDUST]

Ive did some searching.

ive come up with people sayin to remove power steering and use mustang 5.0 rack which is much smoother or softer i dont know?


is there hard turns in parkin lots? is the mustan 5.0 rack a Power steering kind or the gear driven? and how can the gear driven match the shaft of the supra one? and is it better? of course its lighter but is the handling any better? is the swap easy or requires alot of custom work? dont limit me. I like details :)


any better and clear details would be great!

[ma71supraturbo]

MAXX sells a kit. The reason to go with the mustang rack is because it's manual, so it will free up some room in your engine bay and a little horsepower. It will also give you better road feel. It shouldn't be cumbersome in a parking lot, but it will take more effort than your used to if you want to turn the wheels while youre not moving...

[DigitalDUST]

hmm


whats the price for the kit?

[Erin Carpenter]

650$ Way too much. I'm about to do it myself and will post which rack you need and all the details.

erin

[Freedy89T]

82-87 is the years to use for the mustang, you can cross reference the part because it was in like 7 different cars total through varying mid 80s. Supratrey told me that all of the mods are to the tie rod ends. I took that as meaning that all of the gears fit right together. When I called the autostore they told me that there were two different racks, one with ONE piece bushings and one with TWO piece bushings...im not sure which one to use or even if it makes a difference, I would assume that we continue to use OUR bushings...yes when you finish your project let us know EVERYTHIGN about it. I dont have the money to do this yet but I will shortly, hopefully. Later.

[franke3c]

Plz post some details, costs and parts needed...


thanks!

[SupraTrey]

Who said 620 bucks????? Well if thats what they are charging then ok..... but it sure is better than 1200 for a stock toyota unit! Mine is wonderful.... i love it.... any detailed questions can be directed to jt@maxxautoworks.com he will have all the answers.... need pics! i have some PM ME!

Trey

[ma71supraturbo]

I heard $500, which still seems in the KY Jelly range...

[Mark3Supraholic]

So does this pertain to any and all Mark 3 Supra's? Is there a difference in feel between the Stock Progressive power steering Rack and the 5.0 Rack in terms of road feel? I have an 89 with progressive Power Steering and it is very heavy when parking. Is this because of the 7Inch wide tires? Would the Mustang 5.0 Rack give improvements in every aspect of driving? I wouldn't mind a little more effort at low speeds to turn the wheel if the 5.0 rack would be better overall.

[SupraTrey]

Maxx Is supplying 3 different units.... i classify them as "race" "street" and "Normal" there is quite a bid of modifing to do to the tir rod ends to get them to mate perfectly..... this is steering components.... id rather not risk it doing it myself.... if your PS rack is going out IMO this is the way to go.... the feel of the road is amazing with this rack... the only down side i have noticed is the slow turning.... you get over that in a week or 2 and then its nothin but gravy baby!

[drjonez]

any info on the turn ratio of each rack?

[ingrupen]

so how hard would it be to do if you had a mustang front clip, because i have one at my friends house?

[SupraTrey]

Thats a good question bud.... i dont know for sure why you would want a 5.0 clip but ok... and DR J lock to lock with a 13in wheel on the race rack is 3 1/2 turns. Turns like a mustang :)

[franke3c]

So does anyone have the information on doing the swap by themselves ?

[bgrieger]

Originally posted by SupraTrey
... Turns like a mustang :)

Having driven a few early late 80's and 90's 5.0's through twisties, turning like a Mustang is not really a confidence inspiring compliment :)


Bob

[jap-spec]

Who cares? If it goes fast and in a straight line it's allllllll good! :)

[SupraTrey]

Originally posted by bgrieger


Having driven a few early late 80's and 90's 5.0's through twisties, turning like a Mustang is not really a confidence inspiring compliment :)


Bob

You know i cant argue with you here... your right! but if you remember the FEEL of the road while driving that mustang... its like no other. Yes its not as easy as a PS rack... but hey.... id trade it in for a second for this rack... thats just my opinion......

[Bishop92T]

$650, $620, $500, all of those are ridiculous!!! Mustang racks are a dime a dozen, can find them in junkyards all over. The rack can't possibly cost more then $100. A couple of adapters and brackets costing $400+ is unbelievable. Maxx Autoworks should change their name to Maxx Moneyworks.

[Zero]

well is this rack good for anything besides high speed driving?
I do alot of driving in the twisties, Not very high speeds (30 - 60 mph)
with lots of sharp, hairpin turns
the Toyota Rack would perform much better for this aplication... or am I wrong?

[ma71supraturbo]

The toyota rack feels more like a playstation joystick than a steering wheel... The mustang rack will just give you a better feel. And the only time you won't like having manual steering is when youre going less than 5mph...

[Suprafab]

The expensive part of the conversion is the rack itself. We use a Flaming River quick ratio rack. Not some over the counter reman or salvage yard unit. We also use a Borgenson needle bearing steering joint which is also a little pricey. We are not here to throw together garbage for you guys. Certainly not for steering components. The tie rod ends are are kind of tricky. The taper of the rod ends are exlusive to just the 3rd gen supra, so there are no options other than machine work. A crafty guy could probably throw together a kit "cheap", but just remember the car only goes where you point it. JT

[A2FX37]

Originally posted by Bishop92T
$650, $620, $500, all of those are ridiculous!!! Mustang racks are a dime a dozen, can find them in junkyards all over. The rack can't possibly cost more then $100. A couple of adapters and brackets costing $400+ is unbelievable. Maxx Autoworks should change their name to Maxx Moneyworks.

Thats how all companys work, no need to bash MAXX :p Take an exhaust system...you know that that piping and that muffler didnt not cost $500 dollars to make. To me, (being a non skilled person) buying MAXX's setup would be worth it. But i dont need that at the moment mine works just fine :D

LaTeR

[Bishop92T]

It's a damn Mustang manual steering rack. Gear based, it's not like a power steering rack which wears down relatively quickly. We're not talking about some ultra rare Ferrari rack. It's a Mustang rack, one of the most common sports cars in the US.
I understand companies have to make money, I was in the performance industry for two years. If it's so expensive to make it fit, what is the point? You can get a reman OE Supra unit for $150. Sure it won't feel as good but I'd rather the $350. There are lots of parts available to make the car handle and steer better - coilovers, nylon bushings, bracing all over, etc. But somewhere the price becomes more then the gains are worth. For me, it's a $500 Mustang rack...

[SupraTrey]

Originally posted by Suprafab
The expensive part of the conversion is the rack itself. We use a Flaming River quick ratio rack. Not some over the counter reman or salvage yard unit. We also use a Borgenson needle bearing steering joint which is also a little pricey. We are not here to throw together garbage for you guys. Certainly not for steering components. The tie rod ends are are kind of tricky. The taper of the rod ends are exlusive to just the 3rd gen supra, so there are no options other than machine work. A crafty guy could probably throw together a kit "cheap", but just remember the car only goes where you point it. JT

Thanks for responding.... i couldnt put it into these words.... and shit bishop if you want used mustang shit... then go for it.... a NEW rack from toyoya is over 1200 bucks.... this is NEW shit not used..... if you want i can have JT post Part costs.... till then shit dood settle down... there is always a cheaper option..... put the cheap shit on your car dood.... cuz it aint goin on mine....

[toypro]

A toyota reman rack for the 87-88 are like 350ish from toyota.Not 1200.00

[edmiston9]

well i called on a progressive rack for my 89 and they quoted me like 750 bucks. so anything that will last longer and work just as well (and save some weight?) then it sounds good. but it feels akward saying ford and toyota in the same sentence :S

[SupraTrey]

Originally posted by toypro
A toyota reman rack for the 87-88 are like 350ish from toyota.Not 1200.00

What part of NEW RACK didnt you understand.... not REMANUFACTURED.... thats not new.....

[Freedy89T]

so wait a sec, you mean that even with the quick ratio gears it still turns slower than a stock toyota PS rack? dang. If I had known all of that stuff was going into the rack from MAXX I wouldnt have been so taken aback by 650. I figured it would just be a stock mustang rack cut/welded to fit. Oh well. bump.

[toypro]

I doubt toyota even offers a NEW rack for a 15 year old car. The reman ones carry the same warrenty as if it were new.Most racks you buy anywhere,inc toyota are remans.Toyota reman racks have every single part replaced anyway.

[psychot|K]

i still wanna know why trey goes to such great lengths to defend a product that is rediculously priced and is an obvious rip off to anyone with 1/2 a brain, nevermind a forum FULL of experts like Bishop who have been around since supra performance became popular

i seriously think you're affiliated with them to push products, if not, just chill and don't try and tell people with more experience than you what to think

[cullen]

i still see no advantage to a mustang rack. what is the point?

[Enraged]

getting rid of the power steering, thats a bit less parastic loss, and you can change the steering ratio by choosing different models of the rack, apparantly.

[Bishop92T]

Please, it's a steering rack, not a nuclear warhead. We're not talking about a complicated piece of machinery. The only parts that wear are replaced with the same "quality" components by Toyota when you buy a reman from them. You think you can tell the difference b/w brand new and reman by feel? Not a chance, they will be identical.
I knew before I posted that Trey would defend Maxx, doesn't matter if they sold dirt for $500/ounce he would defend them. It's plainly obvious there's something going on there. To the rest of you, don't be fooled into thinking a Mustang part is worth over $500. You're going to downgrade your turning radius, lose the ability to easily steer and you'll have to turn the wheel further to turn - all that and it's going to cost you $500 + labor. Sure you save 30lbs but you can lose a lot more weight then that for $500.

[cullen]

you can get rid of p/s by taking off the pump and running a little bypass hose on the rack to keep fluid in. but why anyways?

if you go to an scca event you will see that the heavier "I.T."cars all have power steering. you might "feel" the road a little better in a lighter car but in a heavy ass supra your just going to get tired on a twisty road and in a parking lot.
i think the only advantage is saving a little weight. parasitic losses? what, 2 HP? so what.

[adjuster]

I feel the need to chime in here.
Working with reman parts all the time, I can seriously say that THEY OFTEN ARE BETTER THAN THE NEW PART WAS.
Think about this.
When they built your car, 15 odd years ago, they may not have known what fails, or if there were some design flaws. (Seals prone to leaking, or rack bodies cast from alluminum too soft to hold up to years of high pressure fluid, so they erode over time, and leak past the valve bodies causing problems interally, but no outside leaks.)
Rack and pinion steering in the 80's was a new thing. Most cars had parallegram steering setups with gearboxes, pitman, idler, drag and other links that all wear out at regular intervals. I know, I used to change them out all the time.
Reman racks generally have stainless steel sleaves in the valve body area, they are brought back to factory specs, or even better as TRW or who ever makes the rack has figured out better ways of doing things over the years.
When mine fails, it will get a reman OEM rack. Not some Ford product. (Or even one from Flaming River. Check out summit, that rack is just under 500.00 with the tie rod ends and steering universal joints. Why buy that when a reman Ford rack (from TRW) is about 75.00 with a 12 month, 12k warrenty? (Or better.)

[Enraged]

adjuster, your a year late to the thread, but you make some good points :)

[Carl]

Just came across this unit, company wants a about $103 USD for a reman unit without an exchange, its a rack and pinion unit for an 87 Stang Gt. You can modify the ends for probly about 150 tops in a local shop somewhere near you. I wouldnt pay no 650 for this ford crap. jmo

Here is a pic.

[NashMan]

what about the rx7 rack far as i know of there is no manule stareeing ones out

[Turbo Skegget]

http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/Category_ID=68/home_id=63/mode=cat/cat68.htm

[Shred]

i still see no advantage to a mustang rack. what is the point?
With struts on the front instead of SLA, the Mustang rack has a quicker ratio. And a Mustang still has a bigger turning circle. The point is a much lighter non powered unit for a drag application. If you want to use it for road race or autocross, more power to you.

If I wanted road feel, I wouldn't be in a Supra.

[TurboChevelle]

so the quick ratio rack from flamming river.. is that rack a bolt up for our cars with modding to the tie rods? or is something esle involved?

[TurboChevelle]

so just to recap, the mustang rack, does it bolt right on? besides the modding to the tie rods are there any other mods for this?

also does anyone have the link or is there a write up for the tie rod mod?

[GotToyota?]

http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/Category_ID=68/home_id=63/mode=cat/cat68.htm
Which rack would I choose from them to go on an 89 with non progressive power steering? Also, is there any custom fab work needed with the rack? And what accessories from that website would I have to get with it?

-Matt

[JtWo]

So I read this whole thread....my attention spand isn't helping either...Can someone do cliff notes?

Also...if I wanted to install that quick ratio rack, what would need to be modified? I saw something about tie rods, but didn't understand it :(

[TurboChevelle]

bump

[TRDmk3]

can someone finish explaining what type of mods are needed for the ford rack..... the ends ok... yea . what do i do to them i dont wanna waste the money and then test my automotive skills (even tho there pretty good :) ) .. plus my motors out now so its a good time to give it a try

[NashMan]

meh stock rake with no pump for me

[suicide]

i am looking into doing the swap but this thread doesnt really give enough information on what needs to be done, anyone got any good links or information on what i will need to do....

thank you

[TurboChevelle]

i second suicide.. i know people have done the swap and would those please come out and explain in detail ....

[suicide]

i really want to do it b/c my rack and lines are leaking and i dont want to pay to replace them

[suicide]

so nobody knows anythign about this... THAT REALLY BLOWS.... i dont think it should be a sticky if there is no help coming out of it

[blackgamer16]

bump

[futeki_mk3]

so nobody knows anythign about this... THAT REALLY BLOWS.... i dont think it should be a sticky if there is no help coming out of it
..............................

[suprahajimoto]

just rip the whole thing out and plug up the lines. Been like that for 4 years now and gained 20 pounds per side on my bench.

[TurboChevelle]

lol...

theres got to be some more info on this shit. theres got to be a company that can make a manual version for our cars. i dont want to risk quick tuns on the highway with plugged up lines..

[JtWo]

I'm running a dead rack with blown powersteering. YAY I Still need info....

[suicide]

why is this a sticky if there is no info on how to do it...

[futeki_mk3]

^^^ yea, its pretty stupid

and I also run on a dead rack, parallel parking with no Ps and 245s sucks

is there anything we can do for a manual rack?
is it possible "convert" the power rack to manual

[badboysupra]

why is this a sticky if there is no info on how to do it...

:werdlol:

:worthless

[Darkcyde]

This is not the easiest way to go about it, but I'm using a wilwood pinto rack. Although I had to do some fabbing, my rack will be bolted solid to the sub-frame.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/sevenem/100_2155.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/sevenem/100_2158.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/sevenem/100_2154.jpg

[IJ.]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in all of the discussions on manual racks is the importance of measureing the Mk3 rack from Ball Joint to Ball joint and finding a rack that matches this length to prevent it from Bump Steering.

<cliffs> BumpSteer is badddd mmmm kay ;)

[NashMan]

man you must love south park

[jjh]

can we get somemore info on this

[DegreE]

We need a write-up/how-to on this. Is there one?

[Anthony1]

I"m not an expert but.....
Besides the obvious mounting holes not lined-up so a bracket is needed....
Just looking at the tie rod ends, the Toyota's are tapered but the ford's are not.
Either the holes on the Toyota side has to be filed up or the adjustment thread has to be mod for the metric thread on the Toyota side tie rods.
There might be another adapter for the steering shaft u-joint.

[topguncam3888]

I wish this thread how some more info on how things are actually done. I'm in the market for a new rack.

[Pebbles]

wow. this tread=FAIL

probably the most useless time i have ever spent.

i like the wilwood rack idea.

[Dave Wright]

First I would just like to say this forum is supposed to be a information site not a bashing place for people and dealers. As for thinking that a full rack conversion for $650ish is a bad deal, fugure their time, their parts and their liability they take when selling a setup like this. If any one dealer sells a cheap part ie used/reman and their is a failure rate anymore than 0% everyone bitches the dealer of the parts sells junk, then when a company like Maxx try's to sell a fully 100% functional and warrenteeable setup for steering, which is a very high risk thing to sell, everybody seems to jump down their throat for being overpriced, lets faace it, they are a business, they are tryingto sell a quality product that is dependable and make a living doing it. I dont see you all complaiing that your local restaraunt sells their burger platter for 8$ when their is possibly more than 2$worth of food from the groccery store on it....its called business, we all go to work to make money, not give everybody who thinks THEY
deserve a deal a great deal. with that said.

I agree the manual rack in a supra is probalbe not the stering rack for you if you plan on doing tight road coarse racing. I have the flaming river rack in my car, its abaout 3.5 turns lock to lock, slow but easy. As far as daily driving its great, no hard steering, parking is like anyother manual steering rack-requires effort but not that bad. Just dont expect to palm the wheel while parralel parking thats all. The Powersteering rack in the supra is a gerat steering setup, the first major reason for removing would be space, makes alot of room in from of the turbo for plumbing and intake mods. Second the parasitic loss, you wouild be surprised the idle response pick up with no pump, and third the weight, it does weigh less, nothing to write home about but less none the less.
As far as just removeing the power steering and leaving the rack lines looped-DON'T DO IT. The car will steer very bad at high speeds, wants to track straight and makes long turns very hard, oddly slow speeds its not bad, I tried this befor I did my pinto rack and it was scary to say the least at highway speeds for long turns like on ramps and off ramps.

The racks themselves do not bolt in that I have seen. MAXX may have a rack that "fits" but thats where the easy part ends. The tie rod ends in a supra are shared by nothing that can be mounted to any mustang rack....I wpent six months trying...they do not exist from and readily made source I found. the rack inner joints do NOT reached far enough to just except tie rod ens on the end of rht erack so you must you an adjusting sleeve to extend the inner tie rod ens-or in the pinto racks case the rack rods themselves. Once you get two adjusting sleeves its back to the tie rod end, I used a circle track style end link joint teflon sleeved, drilled the holes in my steering knuckle to except a 5/8 bolt and thet was done, next was connecting the rack to the steering shaft, I removed my sotck shaft and cut-welded the correct rack needl joint on the end. So as you can see its not a bolt in so this is why its so expensive to convert to manual. If you like power steering or dont need the space then dont convert it, if you just need a rack just buy a reman rack, anyautoparts store carry's them. As far as quality on remans, I would have to just say save your recipts-almost every reman rack has a warrenty.
Supra's are great cars, but I have to say being a shop owner for myself, the cheap fix is usually not that cheap in the end, your time is worth something as is the shops, is never worth your time to take a chance on such critical parts such as steering. I hope this helped and cleared up some questions on the rack installs.


(please excuse my spelling)

[trboflyr]

I would love to see pictures of your setup and especially how you did the tie rods. Any help and info would be appreciated, thanks.

[1SIKMK3]

look I plugged mine in "05" and work fine till now, if money is the the problem, just leave it as is or fix it!!!

Pro and Con of plugged rack is scary to drift, but I can now curl 55lbs each arm!

[jizake1jz]

within the next month or so i'm going to attempt to swap over a manual rack. i think i'll be going with the flaming river 15:1 short ratio rack that is only 3.3 turns end to end.

mounts
shouldn't be to bad, i'll just cut the stock mounts off and weld new ones in


tie rod ends
not exactly sure what i'll do here, but i figure there's 2 options:
-make an adapter sleeve to go from the 9/16" thread of the inner rod on the rack to the 5/8" thread i found for some universal outer tie rods. i would just measure stock length to determine what length outer tie rod to buy
-or instead of making a connnecting sleeve just make the sleeve be the outer tir rod and use a hiem joint at the end....this might be my route.


steering column linkage
I have absoluetly no idea on this yet, but i'm sure it can be done.


i know not many people have posted in here with info(thanks to those who did) but if anyone else can post up some tips or pics that would be amazing. and when i finish up, i should be able to final get a decent write up about this conversion on this forum!!

[jizake1jz]

probably something like this for the tie rods:

http://www.mperacing.com/hpm-1100-au.jpg

[trpimp147]

"BUMP"

im looking at replacing my power steering rack by the end of this year for inspection (leaking really bad and steering wheel can be str8t one moment then you can be at a stand still and turn the steering wheel and feel it skiping....) i have gotten a price from a company call meridian auto parts http://www.meridianautoparts.com/ shiped to my work place would cost me $317.00 reman and sending core back. i've done some research with some people here at my job and they state that the reman from them is just as good or better then the factory reman. i thought about going with the mustang 5.0 rack. im going to be doing any major hp work on my vehicle its just a fun drive around vehicle so i think it would be best to stick with power steering vs manual. i'd say if you looking to shave off weight go with the 5.0 rack i have read its about 30lbs in weight loss which is good if you need to shave some weight. to me that is alot considering the weight of the vehicle and other vehicles. i also was told that the factory replacment is easy as in take of the tie rod ends and pull out like 2 bolts and you can slide it out easy dont have to drop the cradle or any thing. hope this helps any one having a need in replacment with a power steering rack.

(my vehicle is a 89 supra n/a 5spd)

[hardcore_cobra]

Wow, lots of posts for a nearly worthless thread with almost no information....

[871JZ]

Hmm....stickies are normally useful. This one sucks ass.:chairshot

[Turbo Skegget]

I am nearly finished with my manual steering rack conversion and I will make a "how to do" later. I bought a quick ratio Flaming River rack for the Mustang 5.0 and modified it so it would fit, alot of grinding and welding required but I´m confident it will work.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/mabire/IMG_0620.jpg

[SupraTrey]

I just ran across this. If someone wants pictures or wants to know how to do this instead of just blabber.... email me. Trey27@comcast.net.

[SupraTrey]

Ok, everyone can quit their bitching! :) Click on the below link to download pictures of my 5.0 rack. Email me with questions. The link is only good for 14 days, so if you catch this 2 weeks after this post, email me and I will re-upload them. Its 28megs compressed zip folder.

https://rcpt.yousendit.com/837318324/56bc88e556c57e10df8ea044e71842aa

Trey

[suprahajimoto]

Great pics trey, thanks..

[SupraOfDoom]

Ok, everyone can quit their bitching! :) Click on the below link to download pictures of my 5.0 rack. Email me with questions. The link is only good for 14 days, so if you catch this 2 weeks after this post, email me and I will re-upload them. Its 28megs compressed zip folder.

https://rcpt.yousendit.com/837318324/56bc88e556c57e10df8ea044e71842aa

Trey

Awesome man :). I def will be putting one in my carbon fiber project car.

[SupraTrey]

Updated link for Download of Pics

http://rcpt.yousendit.com/850950177/647f849fdc57889d02f32a60f1dd6cf5

[Global688]

I'm in the middle of doing this at the moment.

Took a sawzall and cut off the two brackets on the mustang rack.

I measured and cut the mustangs steering colum connector and welded on the supra one.

Installed it in the car and now I gotta figure out what to do about tie rods. I have a couple ideas but this swap isn't really that hard to figure out.

EDIT: The supra inner tie rods screw right into the mustang rack.

Tools:

Welder
Basic hand tools
Sawzall

[IamWedge]

Updated link for Download of Pics

http://rcpt.yousendit.com/850950177/647f849fdc57889d02f32a60f1dd6cf5

I clicked the link...... THE FILE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LINK HAS EXPIRED.

[SupraTrey]

I'm in the middle of doing this at the moment.

Took a sawzall and cut off the two brackets on the mustang rack.

I measured and cut the mustangs steering colum connector and welded on the supra one.

Installed it in the car and now I gotta figure out what to do about tie rods. I have a couple ideas but this swap isn't really that hard to figure out.

EDIT: The supra inner tie rods screw right into the mustang rack.

Tools:

Welder
Basic hand tools
Sawzall

Just getting this. You are 100% correct above.

I will post a new download link in the AM. The pics are on one of my other PC's.

[torque-a-holic]

just to help out everybody here, i found this awhile back and posted it on my drift mods thread: http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?122163-Mustang-5.0-Rack&p=1558923.

yo, supratrey, does this mod give you better steering angle, like better u-turns and easier parallel parking(sans the muscle-building i'm sure you underwent dd-ing after the swap)? also, is this stout enough for drifting(a.k.a. 70-100 mph powerslides thru multiple turns)? there is alot of steering movement and action doin this kind of thing; i've seen it firsthand. is it fast enough for steering correction at high speeds? and is it possible to use a mustang ps rack instead of a manual rack?

[destrux]

Why use a mustang PS rack? The whole point of this is to convert to manual steering to save weight and eliminate the PS pump (and for some, to improve "feel").

If you want PS keep your stock system.

[torque-a-holic]

im all for savin weight, and road feel is great, but how much is the weight diff? im just curious. btw destrux, what did you do to lose 350lbs from your car?

im prob gonna keep p/s until i get wet weight w driver below 2800lbs. yes, its possible, jus alot of money and it wont b dd after that, so it'll prob never happen lol. besides, i just found a great tip that i want to experiment.

[lunchbox89]

how does it compare to the stock rack as far as the steering response?

[SupraTrey]

Steering response is INSTANT. If I had to put a percentage based on the stock rack I would say 20% quicker response than a GOOD condition stock rack.