1j pit/Jesus loves Supras

[MK3 Abortion]

So far its cost me about 4.5 to 5 thousand dollars in parts alone.

Thats a lot of coinage to throw at a 15 year old car that will never be worth the sum of its parts.

Wow did I say that???

Clip 2300
Shipping 400
Crossmember 250
Engine Brackets 100
Engine Mounts 206
Throttle cable 40
Timing Belt 180 (cool blue JDM belt Power-ads a gazilion hp!)
Urbano Harness 650
Overnight Shipping of Harness 70
P/S Hose ???(to be determined)
HKS D/P 180
Misc... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And to think I had a very sweet 7m setup sitting in my garage just begging to be assembled!!! Ross pistons blahblahblah...
Some lucky guy on ebay scored it for 1300.

I think I fell into the 1j hole. Actually it was the whole BHG crap I've been through in the last two years.

I really love my car.

If Jesus had a car it would be an MKIII Supra.

[Da Kine Guy]

Urbano Harness? What's this? Someone fill me in?

[MK3 Abortion]

LOL

Sorry I guess that sounds kinda strange.

Mike Urbano is the guy who will sacrifice your 1jz harness off your recently acquired front clip to the Supra gods!!!

Actually he breeds your harness with a new 7m harness and then in one week...

[Zach90Turbo]

Screw 650 for a harness, I'm not afraid of some wire tracing and soldering. Wasn't there an issue with the quality of the Urbano harnesses in the past? Anyway, how's your progress coming?

[MK3 Abortion]

650 is a lot of dollars. But I think its a large pita. Especially since I was a dumbass and bought a Soarer clip instead of the JZA70.

There is also the fact that all the documentation on these cars is in Japanese. I've seen a few sites with interpretations of the Japanese diagrams. Not sure if I would trust those.

I'm really pressed for time as I have to move out of state by Monday. All my stuff is already in Denver its just a matter of putting my car back together and getting there. That was a big reason for the purchase of the harness versus doing it myself.

So far the engine has been installed in the car. I'm needing to install the harness and basically plug everything in. My only time consuming hurdles at this point are my intercooler placment/pipe fabrication and the whole p/s pressure hose issue.

I also got some suspension goodies, Sparco seat, Blitz boost controller+turbo timer, and a smokin deal on some never installed OZ F1+'s 17x9.5 and 17x8.

Still need upgraded tubos, giant fmic, engine managment, etc...

Basically another 10 grand and all will be right in the world for me.

Oh yeah bodykit and paint, make that another 6

[Da Kine Guy]

So he creates a plug n play harness adapter for the 1jz? What electrical stuff is there left to do after you get the harness?

[MK3 Abortion]

Suposedly just plug it all in and enjoy.

I hear even the dash will work!!!







What were the quality issue's??? I never heard.

[Simba]

Originally posted by MK3 Abortion
So far its cost me about 4.5 to 5 thousand dollars in parts alone.
...
I think I fell into the 1j hole. Actually it was the whole BHG crap I've been through in the last two years.

I'd say so, yes. The 1jz just isn't worth the money, IMO. BHG crap? If you fix it properly the first time, it's no longer an issue.

If you had a properly installed MHG and a fully built 7m, I can't imagine why you would do a swap.

[Majik16106]

Originally posted by Zach90Turbo
Screw 650 for a harness, I'm not afraid of some wire tracing and soldering.

Oh you say that.... and I say Im not afraid to die, everything changes when you get there.

[Da Kine Guy]

Originally posted by Majik16106


Oh you say that.... and I say Im not afraid to die, everything changes when you get there.

Did you use Urbano's harness? If so how'd it work and what was left to do after using it?

[toypro]

Originally posted by Simba


I'd say so, yes. The 1jz just isn't worth the money, IMO. BHG crap? If you fix it properly the first time, it's no longer an issue.

If you had a properly installed MHG and a fully built 7m, I can't imagine why you would do a swap.

Well imho, since I've actually driven,worked on, and owned both, the 7mgTe isn't worth putting a dime into. But hey, that's just me, what do I know:)

[Majik16106]

Mikes harness worked, had to do a little bit of tweaking but nothing major. Eric did his completely different though.

Im with him, Ive owned driven and worked on stock and modded versions of both, id never do a 7m unless i had a lot of extra cash to play with after I finished my 4th gen, skyline, ferrari, rx7, wrx, evo 6, celica gt-4, Tahoe, 240sx, ae86...... and everything else id buy and work on before i thought about building another 7m.

[SuprAng]

1jz VS 7m ... round 103958343596... fight... we all know im biased towards a certain motor... but there is no way a 1j is worth wasting all that money on... In essence at that cost you ould buy an R 92 from japan , ship it and convert it to lhd... and a 7m with that money in it will do just as well... Logically a 1j is great for under 2gs total and im talking cdn... i dunno why you guys pay so much :p

[MK3 Abortion]

Personally for I've always prefered to do things a little different from the rest.

The 1j is like uncharted territory for us here in the states. Thats is definately a 10 on the coolness scale in my book,

7m's arn't exactly cheap either. I think for the long term the 1j is the way to go. How can you not embrace it. The potential is so great with the jz series.

I'm all for any mk3 setup as long as its not a small block chevy swap.

[MK3 Abortion]

Originally posted by Simba


I'd say so, yes. The 1jz just isn't worth the money, IMO. BHG crap? If you fix it properly the first time, it's no longer an issue.

If you had a properly installed MHG and a fully built 7m, I can't imagine why you would do a swap.

Come on when you have to dissassemble the short block to repair a bhg (deck surface of block is shot), something is seriously wrong.

[ma71supraturbo]

if youre going to put $5,000 into an engine swap, why not wait a little longer and put in a 2jz? Or you could have put $5000 into a 7m, and had a bullet-proof engine capable of 600+rwhp (and one you can still smog). I just don't understand why everyone jumping on the 1jz bandwagon. Yeah it's a great engine -- I'll even go so far as to say a superior one, but IMHO its not worth $5K extra...

[wastegate]

Holy bat crap flapman!! $650US for 3foot of wires?!? Want some lube with that? It's a days job at a desk with a soldering iron.. 650 bucks holy donkey dodo.

[MK3 Abortion]

Aye Papi!!! It hurts!!! Take it out!!!

Oh well what can I say...

He does start with a new 7m harness fresh from Toyota. Thats a big part of the cost. He just uses some of the connectors off your 1jz harness.

[Simba]

Originally posted by MK3 Abortion
Come on when you have to dissassemble the short block to repair a bhg (deck surface of block is shot), something is seriously wrong.

Ehm.. you'd have to do that on any engine where the gasket actually blew. Point was, if you fix it properly, it never happens again.

[Simba]

Originally posted by toypro
Well imho, since I've actually driven,worked on, and owned both, the 7mgTe isn't worth putting a dime into. But hey, that's just me, what do I know:)

Well, IMHO, since I've also actually driven and worked on both, the 1jz is over-hyped and the 7m under-rated.

The 1jz is a great engine, however I see no point in dropping 4-5k on one like this to have the "potential" to make 600-700 hp. You can drop 3k into a 7m and make exactly the same power, with more torque (especially off-turbo), for less money.

But anyway, I'm not going to get into 1jz vs. 7m round four million, so... :sleep:

[shoyu burner]

oh my god 650 for a harness my friend paid 500 to have a shop wire up the 1jz for him. to me the 7m motor has alot of flaws in it first i blew the headgasket X2 when with HKS MHG then guess what #6 crank bearing went. the only thing i can think of bad on the 1j is aftermarket support. but my friend is coming back from japan with a bunch of goodie for me:D

FYI if you get a 1j clip save the metal plate that ID the clip cause that will make getting parts alot easier. for some reason the dealers in japan uses that to give u parts for your car.

[OB1JZA70]

I have seen the best of both engines and if you wanna stay with the M series, do it. I like the smoothness and potential of the J series motors and it is a proven motor. Volume 40 from Hyper Rev has the 1JZ with stock internal running 900ps with no crank walk or oiling issues and no bhg (like no MSG in Chinese food.) I tackled my harness myself and it was tidious, but not difficult to extend the wires and then decifer the gauge cluster and reverse lights. For the most parts all of the wires are similar in color for the 90 and up A70.

I know it is like trying to get people to go DVD when the are dead set on Beta VCRs.

Torque isn't an issue with the 1JZ either. With my set up I actually out torque my hp at the Atl powerfest meet and even though I have a 3.0 1JZ the 2.5 pulled faster mid to top end IMO. Toyota design the motor to do battle with the RB 26 in Japan and guess what? It did quite well. If you look at the TX2k3 rules, any JZ series motor be it 1, 1.5 or 2 in an MKIII will be placed in the MKIV classes. I wonder why?

[Rajunz]

Originally posted by MK3 Abortion
I'm really pressed for time as I have to move out of state by Monday. All my stuff is already in Denver its just a matter of putting my car back together and getting there.

Damn, so they're running you out of the state? Musta pissed somebody off!:D Actually I've worked in both Albuquerque and Denver. They're both pretty nice, although Denver has a whole lot more to offer. Looks like you're close to having a nice car, good luck getting it finished up. And welcome to the board, looks like you'll have alot to offer this dysfunctional family we have here.

[MK3 Abortion]

Thanks for the welcome. Its gonna suck for a while in Denver as I will have no shop to tinker in. In Albuquerque I was the service manager at a really fun performnce/repair shop. Got a higher paying job in Denver. No more fun with making cars faster at work.

I just hope my car will be able to leave on its own power. I really don't want to pay the guys to finish my car.

[streetknight]

i knew this was going to happen flame wars
time to get the nuke proof undies on cause its getting hott in here

but f**kf**kf**kf**k both engines and get the 1ggte i will kill all u mofos with that power full engine

[jza71]

Does the engine rank in the mk3 goes from:

1= O.K
3= Best

1. 1g-gte
2. 7m-gte
3. 1jz-gte

[Mikado]

The 1G has no support to speak of, even in japan. You want to talk about making your own mods, that's the engine to do it with. There was a thread on here somewere or other... about the 1G and its properties. 1JZ is nice, but it's becoming cliche.. 2JZ-series for me. Costs less, you can get parts for it (where're you gonna get 1G parts?) Be the only one on the forums doin' a 2JZ-GE (not GTE) swap...

[Jewishjalopi]

I believe Arnout at www.supras.nl made a nice little conversion for everyone. He shows the connectors, and then told which colors needed to go where. Seems like that could be a big help in making a harness.

[Madghost]

Originally posted by Mikado
The 1G has no support to speak of, even in japan. You want to talk about making your own mods, that's the engine to do it with. There was a thread on here somewere or other... about the 1G and its properties. 1JZ is nice, but it's becoming cliche.. 2JZ-series for me. Costs less, you can get parts for it (where're you gonna get 1G parts?) Be the only one on the forums doin' a 2JZ-GE (not GTE) swap...

if I swapped my na 7m for an na 2j, wouldnt I only be getting like 25hp? That hardley seems worth it.

[www.xpnet.org]

Originally posted by Madghost


if I swapped my na 7m for an na 2j, wouldnt I only be getting like 25hp? That hardley seems worth it.

I'd do it

:evil:

[www.xpnet.org]

Originally posted by MK3 Abortion
So far its cost me about 4.5 to 5 thousand dollars in parts alone.

Thats a lot of coinage to throw at a 15 year old car that will never be worth the sum of its parts.
I think I fell into the 1j hole. Actually it was the whole BHG crap I've been through in the last two years.

I really love my car.

If Jesus had a car it would be an MKIII Supra.

I think you made off lucky.. I'm over 16k in my 7m right now.. HAHA and I'm planing to go 1jz soon too.

[mike g]

dam 650.$ for a harness? it took me a day and a half to do mine.and all my gauges work. oh well. i guess wirimg is more complicated for others. i hope i see all u 1jers at vagas.

87jza70

[fiebru]

Originally posted by Majik16106


Oh you say that.... and I say Im not afraid to die, everything changes when you get there.



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[slowyoda89]

I like both engines.I think it always comes down to how much money you wanna spend.I am going on my 1st built 7m motor which will be back soon.Which i plan on doing a swap sometime,but i definatly going with a 2jz-and it will be fully built,t78.But there really isnt a reason to get on people about the swap,if they have the money and wanna do it,more power to them,I know if i had the money i would do the swap right now.I could have done the swap,buttt i want a fully built one without the stock motor killer turbos on it.Its all in how much money you have,and wanna spend.

[51Cards]

[i] Be the only one on the forums doin' a 2JZ-GE (not GTE) swap... [/B]

Guy up here in TO is doing a 2J-GE swap into a MKII

[psychot|K]

i'd never put a huge turbo on a 1JZ
that's sacraligious
it's like boring out a BMW M5, stroking it, and making it idle like it's a camaro
the 1JZ is a track engine, not a dragger, the 2JZ is a dragger engine

[mike g]

wow, at first i was like hmmm. mow im like what in the f*ck are some of u talking about. anyway.

i think this thread has just went to shit.

friggen jacks.

87jza70, cause the 7m wasnt good enough

[Adam W]

JE pistons + HKS MHG = problem solved for the 7M. You'd be crazy to do anthing else IMHO . .. :D

[Majik16106]

Originally posted by psychot|K
i'd never put a huge turbo on a 1JZ
that's sacraligious
it's like boring out a BMW M5, stroking it, and making it idle like it's a camaro
the 1JZ is a track engine, not a dragger, the 2JZ is a dragger engine

Just FYI, two of the most common track turbos on the 1jz, 2jz, rx7, and silvias in japan, (road racing) are the t78 and t67(25g), Re- aememiya uses em on thier gt cars, Komatsu uses the t67 on his drift car( signal auto) and several 1jz cars use the t78 or 25g in japan, the 4th gen supra and skyline GTRs use t78s as well pretty often. Also, just so you know, Niel in florida has a t78 on his 1jz car,he can race an Sr20 s13 from a 30mph roll, and the s13 wont jump on him an inch...

[Wade]

Originally posted by psychot|K
i'd never put a huge turbo on a 1JZ
that's sacraligious
it's like boring out a BMW M5, stroking it, and making it idle like it's a camaro
the 1JZ is a track engine, not a dragger, the 2JZ is a dragger engine

Why do you even add any comments to the conversation? You have neither nor have done any type of swap then you come here spewing 1jz propaganda about how the swap will cost only $2000. FFS, you can't even come close to swaping a 7mgte into a MKII for $2000. Sure there is always some rare instance of a good deal on a donor car but for the most part you get what you pay for.

And now the 2jz is a dragger motor? LMAO!
:rolleyes:

[buhbye]

2J isn't a dragger motor by design, but it can be EASILY made into one...it has lots of aftermarket goodies and there are a TON of them running 10s that are daily drivers.


-Casey

[skitz_supra]

1j is better, it's just that for you guys in the states it's just alot more expensive to fit it, since there are very few lhd 1j powered cars.... for us aussies tho, most people are like "7m what?"

there is also numerous jza-70's in japan running 11 sec without even replacing the HG, sorry that says it all for me..... the fact you have to do any work to an engine to make it reliable (on a daily drivable basis) isn't what i'd be looking for.....

[Majik16106]

Thank you skitz thats been my biggest argument but nobody listens to me. The ONLY downside to it here in the states is the cost, but to some people its worth it to do the swap. In every other part of the world where they had all three versions of the car, the 1jz is the only one thats really modified. there are some exceptions but I know most in AU want the JZa70, and in japan modding a 7m car is a waste of time. Its just people here tend to think inside the box, its like if it happens some place else it doesnt count, so what if hundreds of people in japan make 6-700rwhp on 1jz engines without even taking the spark plug cover off and they drive them around daily with no crank walking or rod knock or anything breaking. to me that says it all, after a couple conversations with some guys in japan, my mind was made up.

[HondaAzzKickr]

i'm just harrasing you, but the hks drag mkiii is 7m powered ;) :p