FYRARMS' Shooting Gallery (The Gun Thread)

[MADMKIV]

I did this one a few hours ago, 5 rounds at 45 feet (15 yards) using an Isosceles stance off hand.


The whole target is 6 inches in circumference, the inner circle is 3 inches and the square is 1 inch. All 5 rounds did a 2 1/2 inch group center to center but if you don't count the 1 o'clock flyer then 4 of the rounds did a 1 inch center to center group. Pretty good w/o a rest IMO especially for a nearly stock Glock (Sights, smooth out trigger components, Tungsten Guide Rod and 15# ISMI Guide Rod Spring)

[D_LaMz]

AAC just got a new CNC welder.

CNC video: right-click and save

AAC has for years used full-penetration TIG welds to ensure their silencers are the most durable available. All of this welding has been done by hand by highly-skilled weldors but they have not been able to keep up with production demands of new contracts so they took the big step into CNC welding. It already seems like they need a second machine because it is going non-stop and they go through one of those large (5 feet tall) gas bottles almost every day.

Not only are the welds beautiful, but because it is automated some of the new military models have 21 times as much weld as previous designs.


Here you can see a military model being assembled. This is the inner core with a series of butt welds. Every baffle/spacer is joined before being pressed into the outer-tube. This assembly is so strong that I have done full 30 round magazine dumps on short-barrel M16s *without* the outer-tube in place. That is a really hard-core proof of the weld integrity.

See the video here






Here you can see the top of a finished silencer. The penny is for scale to show just how small / fine a weld it is. You can see the core protruding from and welded to the outer-tube.



And here is the inside core of another model. This requires fillet welds.

It takes about 4.5 minutes to weld an entire silencer currently. Manually it takes about 30 mintunes. It is now 7x faster and there is 21x more weld than before.

[Born On the 4th of July]

Just because CA liberals call it that it doesn't mean the rest of the country does

I lives in CA too but I don't let the local or state politics influence how I think

Well how and what you think doesn't change the fact that they ARE assault rifles in CA. I don't like it either but I was just answering that guys question as to why somebody would need a "machine gun" to kill deer.

And I wasn't sure if they were considered assault rifles in other states too. I know CA has an ASSAULT RIFLE ban and other states don't. So I figured they were considered assault rifles in other states as well but they just weren't illegal.

[ny32182]

An "assault rifle" is a select fire carbine that fires an intermediate rifle round like 5.56, 7.62x39, etc. Nothing semi-auto is an "assault rifle".

An "assault weapon" is a meaningless term that can be (and is) stretched to legally include whatever gun they want to ban this week. From 94-04, many of the semi-autos in this thread were legally "assault weapons". That term no longer has any legal definition. Everything you see here is simply a semi-auto rifle no different from any other in most of the country.

In other news, it seems I have received a letter in the mail from the ATF

Of all the times for it to come... I can't open it till Tuesday night.

[Born On the 4th of July]

An "assault rifle" is a select fire carbine that fires an intermediate rifle round like 5.56, 7.62x39, etc. Nothing semi-auto is an "assault rifle".

An "assault weapon" is a meaningless term that can be (and is) stretched to legally include whatever gun they want to ban this week. From 94-04, many of the semi-autos in this thread were legally "assault weapons". That term no longer has any legal definition. Everything you see here is simply a semi-auto rifle no different from any other in most of the country.

In other news, it seems I have received a letter in the mail from the ATF

Of all the times for it to come... I can't open it till Tuesday night.

Okay, that clears it up. My mistake for using the wrong terminology. I meant assault weapon.

[outofstep]

Well, in California it's considered an assault rifle. And I don't think people make comments about hunting with them because they are "overkill" People make comments because they aren't as good of a choice as more powerful rifles in the hands of inexperienced shooters and don't kill the animal in a very humane way.

However I don't think his comment applied to any of that.

Never in my life have I heard an anti talk about game hunting w/ "assault weapons" and their reason for their snide remark being because they thought it was a poor caliber choice. Never. It is always some horeshit about "give the deer a chance" or some other retarded crap like that. If they knew anything about caliber in the first place, they wouldnt have said anything at all.

[Born On the 4th of July]

Never in my life have I heard an anti talk about game hunting w/ "assault weapons" and their reason for their snide remark being because they thought it was a poor caliber choice. Never. It is always some horeshit about "give the deer a chance" or some other retarded crap like that. If they knew anything about caliber in the first place, they wouldnt have said anything at all.

I'm not the one making the argument, I was making reference to it.

I personally think the "give the deer a chance" thing is fucking ridiculous. What would the benefit of that be? So the deer can run off and take itself to the hospital or something? What do the people think the deer is going to do wandering around with bullets in it.

[MADMKIV]

I felt like going back again today 12/16/06, I didn't shoot as well as I did last night at 15 yards but I did a nice 10 yard grouping:

5 shots @10 yards (30 feet)using an Isosceles stance off hand 2 1/4" center to center for all 5 with 3 rounds at 1/2"

and this was the last 15 yard grouping I did before I headed home

5 shots @15 yards (45 feet)using an Isosceles stance off hand 3" group for all 5 center to center with 3 rounds at 1 3/4"

[D_LaMz]

^^^ nice shooting!



no one likes my AAC post?

[MADMKIV]

Thanks, I want to keep working on my consistency where I can do 3" or smaller groups at 15 yards (all in the black though for those targets above) at will. Then work up to 50' next and then 25 yards... And since I'm going to start IDPA matches next month I want to increase my accuracy on the move.

^^^ nice shooting!



no one likes my AAC post?

I live in CA so silencers mean nothing do nothing for me Looks like they make a nice product though

[D_LaMz]

Every gun owners dream

http://forums.sixgunner.com/m.aspx?m=27446

[ny32182]

I've been shooting IDPA for a while now, and its a ton of fun. I'd have to say that speed is much more important than pinpoint accuracy though.

I enjoyed the AAC post.

[Kyle Hunter]

Every gun owners dream

http://forums.sixgunner.com/m.aspx?m=27446

I don't know about dream, but :eeK:damn! Personally I think it is a waste of garage space, I'm still for cars over guns

[MADMKIV]

Yeah I know, but my accuracy will go down as I'm moving. If I wanted pinpoint accuracy I'd have a fitted Bar-Sto, adjustable sights etc... Or just buy a $2500 Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom

I've been shooting IDPA for a while now, and its a ton of fun. I'd have to say that speed is much more important than pinpoint accuracy though.

I enjoyed the AAC post.

[jbiel]

I finally got to the range today with the suppressor, and OMG, what a total difference.

It totally effected sound of course, but it greatly reduced recoil as well. Thing was a blast to shoot with and I was heavily eye-balled all day.

[Born On the 4th of July]

I finally got to the range today with the suppressor, and OMG, what a total difference.

It totally effected sound of course, but it greatly reduced recoil as well. Thing was a blast to shoot with and I was heavily eye-balled all day.

Try one on a handgun and report back. If you like a silencer on an AR then you will fall in love with a semi-auto that is silenced.

Unless it's a 1911, the silencer on the front cuts down the reliability considerably. Glocks are great. The semi auto that is the most fun to shoot for just plinking is a walther P22 just because it sounds so cool and the gun actually feels like it was designed to be silenced and shooting one without is like fucking with 2 condoms on or something.

[Kyle Hunter]

Try one on a handgun and report back. If you like a silencer on an AR then you will fall in love with a semi-auto that is silenced.

Unless it's a 1911, the silencer on the front cuts down the reliability considerably. Glocks are great. The semi auto that is the most fun to shoot for just plinking is a walther P22 just because it sounds so cool and the gun actually feels like it was designed to be silenced and shooting one without is like fucking with 2 condoms on or something.

What did you just say?

Silenced P22 = less noise than my paintball marker

[Born On the 4th of July]

What did you just say?

Silenced P22 = less noise than my paintball marker

exactly, that's why I said it's like it was made for using a silencer with it and firing one without a silencer is just uncivilized.

[jbiel]

I think my next project is going to be an internally suppressed .308 rifle. Probably going start with a Savage or Remy 700 as the hose gun.

[ny32182]

I finally got to the range today with the suppressor, and OMG, what a total difference.

It totally effected sound of course, but it greatly reduced recoil as well. Thing was a blast to shoot with and I was heavily eye-balled all day.

I see from your picture that you have a standard charging handle. Did you notice any gas blowback into your face? I have a PRI gasbuster for my SBR that I intend to run suppressed, and also have one on my 16" carbine. Not sure exactly how necessary they are, but they are are nice pieces in any event. I didn't notice any excessive blowback shooting a suppressed 16" carbine back in April, but forgot to pay attention to what kind of CH was on it.

[jbiel]

I see from your picture that you have a standard charging handle. Did you notice any gas blowback into your face? I have a PRI gasbuster for my SBR that I intend to run suppressed, and also have one on my 16" carbine. Not sure exactly how necessary they are, but they are are nice pieces in any event. I didn't notice any excessive blowback shooting a suppressed 16" carbine back in April, but forgot to pay attention to what kind of CH was on it.

The only notable difference I had shooting the gun was recoil and sound, everything else pretty much the same to me.

I plan on dropping on:



In the near future just for fun.

[ny32182]

Sounds good. If you ever do notice a problem this is the piece that is supposed to help:



It has a physically larger latch to eliminate more of the gap, and is also ported on the bottom to direct gas out the side. You can see the port here:

[jbiel]

Might be worthy upgrade anyway.

Thanks

[Zylo]

Sounds good. If you ever do notice a problem this is the piece that is supposed to help:

It has a physically larger latch to eliminate more of the gap, and is also ported on the bottom to direct gas out the side. You can see the port here:

Oooh, that's nice!

I like the latch on it, too

[ny32182]

Yeah, the latch lever is also bigger and easier to manipulate than that on a normal CH.