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Just in case.
Originally Posted by ShelbyanMe
WOW just WOWFirst of all...I have NOTHING at all to do with Innovations, or $$$ that you all feel Larry took from you
Are you implying that the accounts against "your" husbands business are made up? Are you implying that your thieving scum bag crook scammer husband did not take this guys money?
Is this chick serious of course profits OOps stolen money i mean. From paying customers went in to your pockets and to help pay for your Escalade. What kind of fools do you take us for.yes I drive an Escalade, and your point? Your $$$ didn't go into my pocket, or my vehicle.
Little girl you should be careful how you address people whom your deadbeat dope head scum bag scammer husband stole money from.Now... quite honestly ...kiss my ass
Anyone see a trend here?I dont care HOW much you "think" you got screwed by Larry...
This is Also the reason for ME going to the shop, to make this point perfectly clear to all of you who where there. (as well as to give Cher his car keys)Then why are you opening the shop and handing out customers keys?First of all...I have NOTHING at all to do with Innovations,
You're hands are filthy and don't be so arrogant. If any of these guys decides to coin up for a good lawyer. You and your kids will be on the street and your Escalade will be on ebay with a buy it now price of $20,000My hands are clean
Good luck lord knows you are going to need it,
What ever
BallBearing is 100% correct!! Have fun in court!!
2010 Supra---ask Nero LOL
2007 Busa GT35r Turbo--- 300whp
Troy-Bilt Zero-turn---- gits 'r dun
Troy-Bilt Weed Eater ----eats weeds
silver95tt...it seems as though larry and his party are quite unwilling to make right who they wronged. Have you explored the legal/criminal route?
I will not be suing Innovations Turbo Inc. I will be suing Larry Mcneil, D.B.A. Innovations Turbo Inc. , that way the judgement I win will go against Larry personally, and he wont be able to hide behind his corporation entity, and since you are still LEGALLY married to him that will be against you and your credit too. So eventually Larry will pay... if not now... then more money later on down the road, (if you chose to ever own anything again in your name.) All I WANT IS WHAT IS OWED TO ME.
p.s. well said Ballbearing, thanks for the help, also on a side note another one of Larrys customers just called me, Mike owner of the blue supra (at larrys shop right now) and he said his car has been there for the last 3 years and he has invested over 50 k with Larry in that time, ( Car is still in peices) I hope Larry has all his parts or he is going to be upset. I wonder how many more stories like mine are out there.
Yes Scott and I appreciate you taking my call. I just got in from a business trip a few hours ago and have been awake for 30 + hours now and need to get some rest. I have kept quiet for many years now but the time has come to go public with what has happened to me and apparently many others. Perhaps I can shed some light for those who may be unclear about whats happening or have any doubts as I think my reputation/longevity on this forum may help shed some light on this ongoing topic. Please stay tuned...
Last edited by APU6speed; 03-20-2007 at 12:22 PM.
-Mike.
So sad. The one thing I do agree with is STAY AWAY FROM THE KIDS!
I don't believe anyone would be stupid enough to be a DICK in front of the kids (unless they're like 18) That would be grounds for an ass whooping for real! Your beef is with Larry and his wife, not the kids.
I was lucky and have had good experiences with Larry. I haven't done much and havn't had a large project with him. I'm sad to hear that sooo many in this awesom community got screwed.
My project is going through Kirk's shop, and I'm sure he hates me by now since I micro manage everything on my project, but it's stories like these that make me a skeptic of everyone. I'm sure I would be fine with dropping 15k at his doorstep, but I would have done the same with Larry... Go figure.
And um...
Subscribed.
Last edited by pheobo; 03-20-2007 at 02:19 PM.
P.S. I will do my part to help... Cher, I know you've been going through Kirk. Any parts that you get off my build I will give to you for 50% of the going rate... That's my contribution to help a community that no doubt would help me.
Last edited by pheobo; 03-20-2007 at 02:23 PM.
your one to talk, what about the guys you let down going to texas this year. what a tool, FAT CASSEY.
justin
Last edited by scnat; 03-20-2007 at 03:19 PM.
Hey Mike (APU6speed),
I have pictures of your car from our little visit to larry's "shop". I also have some information which you may be interested in..... going to shoot you a PM in a second.
Kirk - 95 Hardtop
BL375R, AEM V2, Hypertune, HKS 272, FIC2150
You see Regency now another guy comes forward!! What a nice guy you are standing behind Larry... How many people got screwed now? Cher, Scott, Joey, one of Wes's friends out 15K in parts, and now Mike.. Mike is out 75K in parts and cash I hear, his car is sitting parked and stripped, windows down, getting rained on, and you're worried about Larrys feelings?
If you're so upset about an IM being posted why aren't you upset at Kerry for going out of her way to get me the info? She wanted me to post it up, didn't you read it? Here are a couple of quotes:
"I admit I'm sending you this to get back at Larry."
"I'm sending you this because you of all people can use it."
As I said before, I posted the convo to help Scott out, he was getting flammed by guys such as yourself for posting his story. The IM cleared everything up. You never answered my question before Regency, what if Kerry IM'd you the info she sent me? Would you post it up and warn the community that Larry was snorting up peoples parts money? I bet you wouldn't come forward would you? I can't believe you are so worried about some guys feelings who has ripped off the community for tens of thousands, What a real piece of trash you are. You remind me of the liberals who are worried about pedophile rights, you could care less about the victims here, you're clearly concerned for the criminals feelings.
Last edited by AdamGamz; 03-20-2007 at 03:40 PM.
2001 GS300, 2JZGTE-VVT-i, TRD LSD, PTE 6667, SP400 Stage Gear Vendors 6 Speed, Titan 264 VVTI Cams, Motec M800
2001 Lexus GS300 / GTE / Motec / Daily Driver / 10.2 @ 137 MPH
1997 TT 6 Speed Supra Precision 76mm / AEM 800+ RWHP
2006 Viper Coupe, Black, 1800 miles
I've known larry since 2001 and always liked the guy. This is really a shame to see one of the best shops around go sour. Such a sad situation for scott, mike and larry.
94' Black Supra 6spd ITSDBB74GTQ (Sold)
09' Black BMW 135i TT 6spd
You honestly believe Scott is ruining Larry's life???Did I read that correctly?How exactly did he do that?By bringing his 35K Supra that he had just purchased to Larry?By Larry parting out his car and keeping the cash?By taking alot of $$$ to "supposedly" buy parts and not doing a thing?Please explain Scott ruining Larry's life?Please enlighten us all on that one since I'm not quite following your rationale?I guess someone who is as pathetic as you who tries (and finds pleasure) in ruining a mans life over some piss ant amount of $$$ could never possibly understand. I truly pity you.
Honestly lady Scott dosen't even no where you live nor care.I would say none of that will matter anyways since you supposedly only have 15 days left of residency.I think you might have the people who have been ripped off by Innovations Turbo Inc confused with Larry's drug buddies that I am sure he owes as well.to tell you to stay the fuck away from my house
The end scenario isn't good for anyone.Not you,not Scott, nor anyone else who has been ripped off.To call out someone who has been ripped off by your husband because you don't like how he is " handling" it is ludicrous.The sad part is Larry dosen't have enough morals to make any of it right with anyone, and he isn't going to either.
The famous line which has been spewed many of times....."Listen.I know you worried, but DON'T worry."
Yeah right.
Continued from my earlier post.
Anyhow for those of you who don't know me my name is Michael Kochis. I have been, happily, a part of Supraforums since 99' and before that the original forum. I was raised a kind and honest person and even though I am saddened with whats going on I will speak from an unbiased POV and what you will hear from me will be straight facts and nothing more even though I have many speculations.
I am no stranger to the Supra community, I have owned several and the car that is at Larrys shop is not my first and most certainly will not be my last. This particular car I purchased back in 2000 as a rolling chassis that was a clean, low mileage car car despite the poor paintwork. Anyone and everyone who has been to Innovations certainly cannot have missed my car. It was the first one there from the start of business and from the looks of things is the last one there. I am the owner of the Blue rolling chassis that started its life there Yellow. The car sat for a few years being worked on by myself, intermittently, from time time but failed to progress as I was very busy with work and school. Back in March of 2004 I had done some searching around for a good tuner that that had the knowledge and craftmanship needed to build my car properly to my specifications. I had spoken to other friends around the country about my plans and all fingers seemed to point to a guy name Larry McNeil. I had remembered this name because of what a nice job he had done with Hogans car, so naturally, Larry was going to be the choice of venue. Fast Farward to early May of 2004 I was coordinating with Larry what time he was to meet the auto carrier that was transporting my car from northern New Jersey to Wintersprings Florida (Orlando area). During that time period Larry was a very well spoken, kind hearted, willing to help kinda guy. He had all of the answers and even offered some pointers of his own. I had BIG IDEAS for this car back in 2004 which still to this day, far exceed, many's specualtions. I will write the abrideged timeline as each event will become far too long winded.
In mid May of 2004 the next thing I knew I was going over with Larry exactly what I wanted to do with the car, was faxed my invoices and was to have a car finished and ready to go within a month. From that day forward it was all downhill. I will give Larry the benefit of the doubt in saying that I did make many last minute changes to what I wanted and, of course, this delayed things but not to the tune of almost 3 years now. Larry had a new shop, new customers, and a new life for himself at Innovations, I was excited as was he to finish my beast of a street car. In many respects I issued Larry an upfront line of credit to work with as some part values I knew would fluctuate, being that the car was an incomplete rolling chassis needing several oem parts. This upfront line of credit was to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. I have invoices for all. Moving right along to that one month deadline I was promised many phone calls were missed, vendors were backed up and people fell short on their obligations. The car was an enormous project so the fact that it was not finished did not bother me as much as the fact that it was very tough to get ahold of Larry and Innovations while they had many tens of thousands of my dollars. Eh, no big deal I thought, Larry has built a great name for himself in the community, he owns a brand new shop, and everyone is in line fighting for a piece of his artwork. After many unanswered calls I finally got ahold of Larry, this was around the time of body work and the hold up was with Billy, the owner of a small bodyshop in the Orlando area that I was told performed superb work. Well that shop is now dust in the wind apparently having closed down without Larry knowing about it. Again shortening things up a bit Larry wound up having to go to Billy's shop on his own dime, break into a locked up building and in a sense (steal my car back as he was unable to get intouch with Billy. Mind you this is all over a 13 month period, a far cry from the one month I was promised. So again, I suck it up, take Larry's word for it as sometimes subconracting through others can turn into a nightmare, not a big deal, I understand, and I have no reason not to believe Larry so I suck it up with the hopes of this being the only barrier between Larry and the completion of my car. Fast farward another 3 months I finally get a call from Larry telling me that the paint on my car is starting to flake in certain areas and that he reccomended another Billy from a different bodyshop called Color Key to fix my car as obviously the other body shop wasn't going to fix their mistake because they are now fresh sod awaiting new condo's to be built I believe I was told. Larry being a nice guy and feeling guilty for the extreme holdup offered to fix the car on his dime as I had no control over this having subcontracted my bodywork through him. I was very appreciative of this as Larry, in a sense had no control over this etiher being that Billy had basically ran away. I thanked Larry for making this right and never put any pressure on him to finish the car as it seemed he was just running into some badluck. Throughout this time as things things had come to a standstill I had some new ideas that I shared with Larry, again upping my setup, without the fear of prolonging things any further as I was at the bodyshops mercy anyhow. Fast forward another 2 months I finally have the opportunity to get down to Florida to see my car. I arrive at Innovations and am greated by Big Mike and standing right behind him is the man himself "Mr. Larry McNeil." I introduce myself as Mike the owner of the Blue Supra, shoot the shi* for a few minutes and I proceed to my car to inspect its progress. I have been around cars my whole life, know them like the back of my hand and am very picky when it comes to perfection. I set the bar high and Larry new it so I wouldn't settle for anything less than perfection. Upon intial inspection of my car right away I noticed the quality of workmanship was a far cry from the well over $6,000 I had invested in the complete stripping and sandblasing of the car, and any minor dings and body work needed on the car. The left side of my car had been backed into or hit by some other car, the paint was faded with heavy orange peel, pealing around the edges and far from completed. Every nook and cranny of that car was supposed to be covered and never entale any other color other than what it had been painted. Not the case with my car. Before making its way to Larry I sandblasted and completely painted all front and rear suspension components, undercoated the whole under portion of the car as well as the inside of the passenger compartment. I hate to say but I almost thank the Lord that the car had been backed into. Where it was nudged was on a sharp edge and it had scraped paint I could see the old yellow and primer underneeth the new blue. Not part of the, over $6000 I invested in the complete stripping and revamping of my car. I pointed it out to Larry, and he assured me that it had been stripped. I took his word for it as I had no reason not too and was happy with the fact that Billy at Color Key would be making everything perfect as it was supposed to be from day 1. Weeks later I stopped myself at lunch one day and had forgotten about the pictures I had from Larry that took months and months to get of the car midway through the bodywork. I looked at those pictures never having put 2 and 2 together as I watched the body guy, in one of the pictures, spot sanding with the Yellow still on the car in the pictures. Shouldn't the car car have been at the very least all gray in primer ? And why would he be spot sanding the Yellow if it were to be sandblasted off anyway ? Again I kept my mouth shut and took Larry's word for it. To this day I wouldn't call that more than a $1000 paint job from top to bottom.
I will continue this as a PART 2....
I know both Billy's, the first shop does good work fo the money.. I mean I think Troy got a complete paint job there for $1000.00, its far from perfect but better than a maaco job, that Billy does not have a paint booth and I would not reccomend them for the work you're looking for by any means.
Billy at Color Key is a HUGE step up in quality, I brought Bill Stoud of Color Key to the Supra community after he painted my buddies Mustang LX 5.0 and then my 94 TT Supra. Billy does excellent work however you sound like a guy who wants utter perfection, the only two shops around here that could help you IMO is Samuals or Elite in Jacksonville, those guys are top notch.
BTW I just spoke to Steve, he informed me your car is inside the shop, interior is not wet. Hope it all works out for you.
Negative that Adam. I am not defending Larry at all, as I said in my original post Im POSITIVE that these people are not making any of this shit up, Im SURE Larry did wrong. Are me and Larry friends? Not really, he used to work on my car yes, and always did a great job and never ever had any problems with him. I was so satisfied with his work that I took my Range Rover to him to work on too. Im not defending him at all, Im just posting my PERSONAL experience with Innovations Turbo, which is my right to do, since that is what this dection of the forum is all about. What right do you have to be here again???
And as for me not caring about the victims, thats completely crazy. I have helped out a few members here with spare parts they want to borrow that I have laying around, I even let a guy borrow my wheels and tires once to drive up to Virginia once, I feel for them and the loss of their money and time. The problem that I have is not with them, it is with you. You are clearly out to get Larry, obviously, since you cant keep your bitch ass out of these threads that have nothing to do with you. You didnt the IM convo up to help anybody here, you did it to hurt Larry, and to gossip. Seems thats the kind of shit that makes you happy. Didnt you say you were done with this thread anyway? You just cant stay away. Maybe if someone ran me out of business I would be bitter also, but not to the point to post his PERSONAL life on a PUBLIC forum, and resort to gossiping and low blows just to get even.
I have said it before and I will say it again, what Larry did was wrong, I sincerely hope that the people that got screwed over here get their money back, but at the same time, Larry and me were cool, not to the point where we used to hang out, but just bullshitting at the shop, popping a few beers together, but I dont consider it a freindship. Hopefully he can get help for his problem and get his life back on track, repay everyone hes wronged, and thats it. I also sincerely hope that you can grow up and be a man, stop gossiping online and worry about yours, not everyone else's.
David
RIP Tyson
So the question still stands!!! "WHERE IN THE WORLD IS CARMEN SANDI... er... LARRY?"
-Mike-
Red 94 TT supra
BPU+ 6spd
David, what you're missing here is the fact that I knew about Joeys situation for 6 weeks or more! Yet I never bothered to post up as I didn't want any part of the drama, I knew if I did post Joeys story people like you would flame me for it.
Then weeks later Kerry IM's me, if you read that IM I clearly stated to her, "I'm not interested it going after Larry" Now if I was out to get Larry for my own personal gratification wouldn't I have made a thread detailing everything I knew att his point, I mean I have all the information I needed. Again, I chose to stay out of it.
Days later I read Scotts story, then go on to read people doubting the guy, the dude just got ripped off 15 G's and people are flamming him, I couldn't believe it. So I posted up what I knew. Maybe that will show some of the naysayers that this isn't an isolated incident. But then people like you go on to take away the attention from the victims and focus it on the perps feelings, god forbid the perp might be embaressed and have his feelings hurt by what his wife posted.
Just yesterday I was asked by Mikes mechanic to help get his car from Larrys shop, you see I am involved here just as Kirk is here posting up helping Cher out, I don't see you jumping on Kirk ass for posting when he wasn't a customer, maybe you just have something against me personally, I remember all the crap you used to post when I owned Auto Tuner. I posted up years ago that Larry went out and sold all of Hogans stock parts without Hogan knowing and the hulkster was pissed. Nobody saw the writing on the wall then I guess.
Say what you want but I NEVER stole from any customer. Larry didn't run me out of business, I fired him. I told him to leave as I wasn't making ends meet. And stealing from people never crossed my mind so I unloaded my biggest expense with the shop. I made more money at the shop after Larry left than I did when he was there, that shop was in business for 10 years before I bought it. The regular auto repairs were 10X better to me than the performance stuff ever was. In the end I sold the shop after 3 years of owning it (2 with Larry one by myself) as my Military contracting business was taking off, the shop was a distraction so it went.
Continued from previsous post
Again in an effort to keep this post short and readable I will keep this as abridged as possible. To bring people up to speed on this, almost 3 year fiasco. I, very seldomly, could get ahold of Larry from day one through right now. I was promised many things, none of which have come through on my car. Up until this point I always gave Larry the benefit of the doubt basing the fact that he had always come through for everyone else and I trusted that he would stand behind his word. Throughout this 3 year fiasco it annoyed me that their was no progress with my car. Since Larry had a very good reputation I decided to keep quiet all this time as a courtesy Larry to keep his name in the clear. So here I am today, March 21. 2007, with no car, no answers from Larry, no idea of his wearabouts, no contact information, no idea of my cars state and I can only speculate as to whats going on with my money and parts based upon what I have read and heard from others. Call me crazy but do I hate Larry for all of this ? No, I don't and to be honest I feel pretty bad for the guy. Please don't think of this as a slap in the face for anyone else who has had issues with Larry but i'm trying to look at the bright side of a very dark situation. Even though he continues to ignore me i'm sure there is a very good reason why he is. On the contrary I am also a firm believer in when ten people point the same finger its highly unlikely all of them are wrong. I have many years of psychology schooling and am a very good judge of charachter. I've met Larry in person on several occasions and to be honest, all things aside, I still believe that Larry is a good person who just messed up real bad and doesn't know what to do or where to go. People run into bad situations throughout their life, we all do. Larry has a wife, (2 children I believe) and a home. I'd hate to see the girls grow up without their father around which is why I don't intend to press any charges unless its my last resort, nor would I threaten him or his family in anyway. I just wan't to make things right, get my car and parts back, or be compensated for what is missing and be on my way. Im sure Larry has enough weight on his shoulders at this point and don't want to make it any tougher for him. I didn't need Larry to build my car it was just saving me alot of time and headaches with my busy schedule. Larry if you are flying below the radar reading this please don't think that I am on your side here for what it appears you have done to me but i'm trying to be a reasonable guy with the hopes that you will do what's right. I have many concerns about whats going on in addition to having a big handicap over many with so much distance between us but I hope to be able to get some factual information that can be confirmed by a 3rd party from you and put this all behind me. At this point I can only speculate as I don't have many facts to base my next move on. So at this point I am going to take it one step at a time with help of my fellow forum members that were gracious enough to offer their assistance. Thanks very much to Kirk, Rich, Matt, Scott and any others I forgot to mention.
Last edited by APU6speed; 03-21-2007 at 08:06 PM.
Just for the record my car was completed over the weekend, and yesterday I drove it home with no issues as far as Larry's work. My car was there for 3.5 months and it went from Stock to single turbo, TH400, fuel system etc.(not a bad time frame considering that we were mostly waiting for parts to arrive) I thank him for his patience with me.
Ultimately I hope it works out in the best way possible to all parties involved and I have faith that he will make things right,. I personally have no complaints or anything else to add to the thread as my car is no longer at his shop.
Regards,
92 SC300 9.44@145 SOLD
93.5 Hardtop TRD Widebody Supra 1152WHP@37psi SOLD
dude ^ you should just stay out of this thread...this thread is to warn people about this guy and you are just here preaching about him...?
Last edited by user123; 03-22-2007 at 04:00 PM.
yeah thats wonderful for you... Im glad Larry takes care of YOU so well. I heard larry was working on your car this weekend at his shop, I also heard you were there over his shoulder watching his every move while he worked on your car, afraid to leave Larry alone with your car? (Im sure he could have it stripped down in no time,) whether your friends or not... Thats how he makes ends meat, his shop is no different that a chop shop, but I guess your smarter than everyone else and know you have to babysit him every second.
I do not know how Larry sleeps at night knowing how many people he FUCKED over.
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