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    Exclamation GS400 Differential Swap for NA Supra

    First off im going to go ahead and ask if this thread could be stickied as with the other useful information because i belive that many people are going to be taking this route from now on and it will answer most if not any of the question that people might have: and now for the long awaited gs400 differential swap thread:

    Hey guys, been some time since i could sit down and put together some useful info for you, but here it is:

    *****THIS SWAP IS FOR LSD EQUIPED NA SUPRAS!!!! if you have an open diff and are buying a separate LSD (trd, ect.) you just need to follow half of the steps which include taking out the diff form the gs400 pumpkin and taking off its ring gear, you do not have to touch the na differential*****

    *****keep in mind that you also could just put in the gs400 pumpkin and use it as an open lsd untill you buy one, in that case you just simply put the differential INTO THE CAR and everything bolts up, no taking apart required****

    (***please keep in mind that i used a 2000 gs400 differential, i am not yet aware of what year lexus gs400's have come with the same differential)
    (***also, another member used an LS400 differential with very minor adjustments from mine and made it work***)

    ***and one last thing before i start*** MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNTIGHTEN THE COMPANION FLANGE BOLT WHILE THE DIFFERENTIAL IS STILL IN THE CAR IF YOU ARE ALREADY USING A TT AUTO COMPANION FLANGE TO MATE TO A TT AUTO REAR HALF DRIVESHAFT, if you take down the differential that bolt is really hard to break loose and takes some thinking )

    To ease everyones mind, this swap is just about as direct as it can get while upgrading your NA-t. Everything is pretty much interchangeable and bolt-in, and quite simple if you have the right tools @ hand.

    to get teh differential out of your car, (its very simple, just need some stregth) follow this simple instructions from the toyota manual under STEP 2:
    http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...ial/index.html


    here is what the casing of the gs400 differential looks like (this is just an empty casing, the insides have already been taken out):



    the stubs seen on the right are the first to come out from the differential when you have everything taken out, you simply "bang" them out, we used a peice of wood and a hammer and tapped it out of place around the circumference of the stub:



    after both stubs are out, the bearing cap (seen on the left in the above picture) is taken out by unscrewing the 8 bolts that hold it in place.

    after both of the caps are taken out, the differential simply pulls out of the casing, here is the GS400 OPEN differential:


    the take-apart process for the Supra differential is the same exact way, except the LSD out of the supra needs to be turned in order to be taken out. here is the picture of my LSD that was taken out at the same time :





    here is the picture of the pinion that is left inside of the casing (you do not touch this part at all!):



    next step is to take of the ring gear from the differential, this is done by using a special "Start" socket (12mm I THINK!, im not exactly sure), there is 10 of them:



    once they are removed (it takes some muscle) the ring gear just comes off :



    this ring gear is reinstalled onto the LSD and the reverse process if followed to get the differential back together. only thing different is that if for those who are using the NA LSD, the NA LSD Axle stubs that were taken out from the NA pumpkin will have to be put into the gs400 pumpkin, other than that everything else is in reverse!

    here is what it looks like:


    on the star bolts that hold the ring gear to the LSD, make sure to use some THREAD LOCKER from Autozone, use the Red kind (the toughest kind) its only 9 bucks and will keep ure bots nice and tight.

    once everything is assembled you simply follow the revese step and reinstall the differential into your car.

    the driveshaft combition that was used previously works exactly with this swap, so you have nothing to worry about.

    here is the gs400 pumpkin with the lsd, we also sanded and painted the housing, looks brand new !!!:



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    and here is the final product:









    here is the verdict on the differential:

    Major gearing reduction form the v160-na rear end combo.

    this is not yet AEM varyfied, but after i got the speedometer corrected with the DAKOTA DIGITAL unit (www.dakotadigital.com) my tach read approx. 2650rpm @ 70 mph as apposed to 3600rpm @ 70mph last time

    top speed is not yet varyfied with this swap, but stay tuned, please feel free to ask any questions.

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    awesome write up! and thanks for the phone conversation!

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    thanks man, and no problem, i might be refining it a lil, putting step numbers and making it look preety, i just wanted to get it up on the forum to share with you guys

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    Sweet write up man!!!

    Quick question for everyone...

    How can I make sure I have a LSD Diff in my car?
    I I think I do but is there sure way to make sure? maybe a VIN number check? The car is currently on jack stands getting ready for a tranny swap.

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    hey oliver, if you have the diff out of you car just open up the back cover and look @ it, it has a lot more gears, as opposed to the open lexus diff that has only 2 sets of gears.

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    Hey Ravan , What D/s Did You Use?

    Thanks

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    I have an extra factory TT torsen LSD avaliable if interested for purchase.

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    how much difference is there between the TRD vs the GS400 unit? i currently have the TRD installed and about to finish up my own 3 years old project :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAHUMAT2JZ View Post
    Hey Ravan , What D/s Did You Use?

    Thanks
    i have a combo driveshaft, TT 6spd front half, and TT auto rear half

    this is the combination that everyone who has a v160 6spd and a Lexus or Supra NA differential use.

    if you go with the tt 6spd rear end, then in that case you will end up using the tt 6spd front AND rear halfs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToMuchBoost View Post
    how much difference is there between the TRD vs the GS400 unit? i currently have the TRD installed and about to finish up my own 3 years old project :P
    what pumpkin do you have the trd lsd installed in? the NA supra pumpkin or what? if its the TRD lsd for the NA and TT auto supra model keep that and swap it into the GS400 pumpkin

    keep in mind that the TRD LSD is the actual differential, as opposed to the gs400 unit, by unit im assuming your talking about the entire pumpkin. if so the trd lsd i gues is more stronger and longer lasting then the stock NA LSD in the supra, but has not gearing difference as the differential has nothing to do with the gears....

    but if you talking about the difference between the TRD LSD and the actual GS400 open differential, major difference, which is....well the trd is a limited slip, and hte gs400 is an open diff..... make sense?

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    thanks raven, what oil are you using for you diff?

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    nothing special, 80w-90 gear oil, valvoline, its the stuff napa guys told us to use

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    bump for sticky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravan17 View Post
    bump for sticky?
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    my question is how strong is this set up? I am in the process of collecting parts to do a 6spd swap and have been contemplating on actually using the gs400 diff or buying a TT rear diff brand new. I don't plan on making "insane" hp numbers just plan on having between 550whp-600whp. so would the combo of the gs400 diff and a trd unit be able to handle that and i wouldn't have to worry about breaking any thing?

    Excellent write up. If i do do the GS400 diff swap I'll be using your guide lines.

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    TurboTalon, i might be wrong, but i thinkthe actual differential will break before the ring and the pinion gear... there is a lot more shock on the lsd then there is on the ring and pinion b/c of the way the helical gears spread out the force.

    with that said, having an LSD unit should insure you for really good hp, which from what you are saying should be more than enough.

    the brand you tt rear end will run you quiet a hefty buck......

    if 600whp were my goal, i would stick the gs400/trd combo.....im aiming for 700whp next summer and this is the set up im planning to run

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    Josh, theQuickness, made 701 or something on the GS400 diff. pretty sure.

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    nice write up buddy.

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    Ravan17,
    Thanks for the input and your probably right. I just didn't want to spend about $1,300 and have some thing that would break on me and have to spend even more cash. So again thanks for the response and again excellent write up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravan17 View Post
    bump for sticky?
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    thanks guys, let me know if anyone else has any questions

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    What did you torque the ring gear bolts too?


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    i couldnt find any torque specs for the bolts, but they were in there pretty damn hard, but they had thread locker on them, so as soon as that was borken loose they came right out, so we tightened them to about the same feel and used thread locker on the ends to make sure they stay in

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