Apparently you haven't been around long enough to see the various manifolds through out the years.
I take it your only basing your opinions on the upper plenum shots. Have you looked at the rest of the manifold design or just taking shots at Phr? Having seen one and having one in my possession it's nice to see someone change it up a bit from all the others on the market.
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did you test at high boost? i think you should test at different boost levels.
This thread is not a bashing contest, we simply posted a new product designed and developed to outperform our competitors and so far have done so. We have made a lot of changes and offer things that other companies don't offer with various options.
Yes $3,000 is a lot of money but there is a reason it sits at that price.
For god sake I just sold a HKS Strut tower bar for $2300 if you think $3000 is a bit much for an intake manifold what about a $2300 strut bar? That's also what I sold it for, I continued to have other people offer me higher to try and regain the item.
This manifold IS NOT for everyone and that wasn't the point in going into this? It was to offer something new and different that still gives you the power you need or more with the looks.
LOL yes I apologize once again but yes I believe $2300 for something as simple as a strut bar is slightly ridiculous. You guys did a good job on the CNC part of the manifold for that my hat is off to you. But to make the power that you did it is highly unnecessary. This is also like your guys "Custom fan set up you sell" with OEM Lexus fans....for outrageously high of a price. I see only one guy has called you out in each thread for your products being so expensive. Well Im here to "Rock the boat" too. Why dont you make parts that cost less to appeal more to the consumer. You will sell more and make more $$$$ in the end.
Your guys quote is "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" at the pace you guys are going there is going to be a lot of "Flattery" going around in your shop. I mean this with all sincerity.
My cock is bigger.
How is making the power we made unnecessary? I admit we need to compare our manifold to a stock manifold so you can see the FULL gain. Saying we make more power and torque over the hypertune is great, means that we perform that much over what the stock vs hypertune made.
Its simply us setting the bar that much higher!
I talked to a few people at MIR that were running the Wilson and they said "they all leak". I do want to buy the Wilson and try it but I do not want to end up spending $300 to have another leaking TB. Any insight if this thing is that new or something you guys are doing different. Thanks for the help.
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I had a nice PRO EFI (I think) TB, which was dual sealed, very expensive, and it did not leak. They are discontinued.
- R&D costs money and time!
- The equipment to make these parts cost money and they need to be payed for!
- PHR has to cover overhead, its part of business and that cost needs to be included in the sale of there products!
- They are not mass producing these which makes the cost of materials higher and that cost needs to be included in the sale of there products!
- Joe & the other staff need pay checks and that cost needs to be included in the sale of there products!
Repetitive enough for you?
There is so many factors that you don't see... when looking at the price sure $3000+ seems like alot for an intake manifold but if you want the best it comes at a price. I have used alot of PHR products... everything fits and looks amazing, and performance is second to none.
Last edited by skylinegtr20; 02-19-2011 at 10:20 PM.
Man what's with the bashing, these guys are basically doing us a favor developing parts for our cars that are over 15 years old and with a dying aftermarket support, be thankful whether you buying one or not, if you got nothing good to say then don't say it.
The idle mattered to me Joe. I couldn't get any other throttle body to not pull air past the TB shaft seals. I couldn't get the car to idle under 1000 rpm with other TBs. The Accuslob TBs are a joke.
There's a couple pics floating around on Sf but here's one from a customer of ours;
There is only one problem with the design guys, you have a circle going into a square plenum with no transition, you're going to cause a tumbling effect in part which will cause a bit of turbulence. Some of the air will seek to back fill the surrounding area, and it's falling over a sharp edge - the air will tumble on itself. Which might not be too back, that air could create a soft boundary layer, but it would be nicer to have some sort of circle to square transitioning.
Outside of that, this is one of my favorite IM designs!
manifold looks great but price is not for the average joe!