I write this about poor transaction I encountered with Anthony Santora of SAC Performance (Protein Shake on SF and also using “Hurricanes” Steve O account on SF).
For Sale Thread being referenced:
In March 2012, I reviewed a for sale ad that member “Hurricane” posted about a used Tilton Triple Carbon clutch that had new carbon discs, hydraulic release bearing mount, stainless lines, thickness gage and extra pressure rings. “Hurricane” indicated in his ad that he was willing to trade for RPS Carbon/Carbon Twin disc clutch assembly.
Since I had a freshly rebuilt and upgraded RPS twin carbon/carbon clutch assembly, I decided to text “Hurricane” to see if a deal could be met.
Quickly, I was greeted by a return email that was from Anthony Santora and not Steve O. who supposedly issued the for sale ad. I didn’t think at first, but this right there is a violation in SF for selling items for another member.
Not being cautious, I responded with the following:
On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Douglas Pelsor <email@example.com> wrote:
I have freshly rebuilt RPS strapless twin w/ lightened flywheel in my possession. It is unused since rebuilt and still remains in the packaging from RPS. In additional to the clutch, the full install kit accompanies it for seamless install (TB, fasteners, clips and so on). I am the sole owner of this clutch since new and would like to inquire about trading for the Tilton you have up for sale.
Beyond the SF ad, can you provide more details about the clutch kit beyond it has two passes and no TB? Btw, what kind of cash + RPS twin trade you are looking for?
(aka Suprafied on SF's)
According to the actual seller, Anthony Santora, the clutch had less than 5 miles of use, 2 drag passes and was in great working condition to be used except it needed a hydraulic release bearing to complete it. He indicated that he didn’t need such clutch at this time due to the state he was in with his automatic to manual conversion and high horsepower build. Therefore, he wish to trade it for a lesser clutch that could still work with his lesser goal.
Conversations took place between Anthony and I as I wanted to know more about the clutch. Pictures and details of the clutch were exchanged along with photos of my offered clutch assembly. To validate a such expensive part, I chose to contact Tilton Engineering to get feedback about the service life of this clutch #2030.
On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Anthony Santora <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Yes. Should be through world Motorsports. It's # 2030
546 South Reading Avenue
Boyertown, PA , 19512
On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Doug Pelsor <email@example.com> wrote:
Thanks for the response. Do you have the serial number for this clutch so I can inquire about its service history to Tilton?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Anthony Santora <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Measurements as follow:
First Floater: 3.98mm (.156")
First Drive Plate: 3.72mm (.146")
Second Floater: 5.09mm (.200")
Second Drive Plate: 3.97mm (.155")
Third Floater: 3.98mm (.156")
First Floater: 3.98mm (.156")
First drive plate: 4.88mm (.196")
Second drive plate: 4.90mm (.193")
Third Drive plate: 4.09mm (.161")
Fourth Drive plate 4.92mm (.193")
The individual measurements do not matter as much as the overall stack height.
Thank you Doug,
Upon discussing with Kirk Skafuel @ Tilton Engineering about the information that Anthony provided, he felt that it sounded to be in satisfactory condition, but should be sent it for inspection and validation. At the same time, I contacted other members with Tilton experience (Thanks Greg) to get feedback on what the seller provided me. Greg C. suggested that the clutch sounds to be in good condition, but I should send it in replace the diaphragm fingers as they can be easily damaged upon initial setup or if one fails to install a pedal stop.
Based on Kirk’s @ Tilton response from Anthony’s measurement feedback, a quote for new hydraulic release bearing and Greg C’s recommendation from his direct experience with Tilton Clutches, I felt that I was getting a fair deal to exchange my fully rebuilt and unused since rebuild, strapless upgraded, RPS twin Carbon/ Carbon Clutch Assembly (w/ new install hardware) + $550 USD for lightly used Tilton Triple Carbon Clutch Assembly with extra carbon discs and no hydraulic throw-out bearing. Anthony asked if I would cover shipping both ways in which I agreed to. He stated that shipping from his shop to my location would ~$20-30. I agreed and he then added $25.00 to the $550.00 to process my payment via credit card through his shop.
Shortly thereafter, I received the clutch and choose to inspect it for its stated condition. Upon investigation, it was determine that the provided measurements were significantly different than informed which made me more concerned from the information Kirk provided me about allowable thicknesses of the floaters and drive discs. Immediately, I sent the clutch in under the RMA #7964 per Kirk S.
*SEE INITIAL INVESTIGATION PAGE 1 and 2 ATTACHEMENTS
A couple weeks pass and I receive a response from Kirk @ Tilton about the status of my clutch. Sadly he informed that the so called less than 5-mile clutch was actually surpassed in its service life and would require $1,700 to be brought back into an acceptable level with the supplied pressure ring, but w/o a warranty due to the other used discs/floaters.
7964 Douglas Pelsor.jpg