US Department of Justice Demands Export/Surrender of Kaizo Skyline GT-R

[greensoup]

Originally Posted by tyndago

Laws and regulations are not 100% set in stone. They are fluid, and change.


Show or Display. - If you have enough money and power you can change the law. Who really benefits from Show or Display ? DOT exempt, 2500 miles per year. Who benefits. If you have the money, you can change the laws. Nothing is hard and fast. 1999 Nissan Skyline is on that list.

http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/07/1...r-show-or.html

Lets look at marijuana laws in California. Everyone's using it is breaking the federal laws, but now on a state level they allow "medical marijuana". Federally illegal, legal on a state level. There is a big fight there. Don't think there are no parallels there.

Drugs, cars, guns.




So are you talking about me, or you spreading disinformation ? I lost track, and I think you did too. I am in this for the owners. I have given my "real" advice offline.

Arizona revoked title hearing decision on a Nissan Skyline. The owner had their title canceled by the Arizona Department of Transportation. After review the title was re-instated.

http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/20...cle-title.html

I think what you're pointing out is that there laws change, things get updated, there are technical grey areas, gaps, contradictions. But I think what you're missing from that same arguement is that if the government comes down against you, right or wrong you're still screwed.

So you can play that game but most to all of the people that have any need to discuss this topic can't afford to be on the losing side of a dispute with the government.

For example weed is "legal" in California, to grow, distribute etc. But that didn't prevent the fed from arresting people, local government from interfering. Also some people are facing near life sentences. People have spent years in jail. Is it a grey area, yes. Can you go into it, yes. But there are consequences.

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by MadMaxx

Again, if bringing a vehicle in was as easy as disassembling it, then any small manufacture would be doing it. You know how much 3rd party crash testing costs given your background, from a manufacturer perspective it's millions of dollars. You think Lotus, who barely sold 300 Esprit's in the US per year on average, liked having to invest the money into getting crash testing done?
.

Where does it say an OEM has to do crash testing ?

Seriously. Look at the laws. Look at all the regulations. The last time I checked, OEM's self certify. They of course do the testing, but its under self certification.

As far as crash testing and Lotus are concerned. I wonder what exemptions they got. Thats right, Lotus doesn't actually MEET US FMVSS. Have a look at a door jam sticker in a Lotus. You tell me what they don't meet.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2004/04-2517.htm

Tesla Motors, Inc.; Receipt of Application for a Temporary
Exemption From the Advanced Air Bag Requirements of FMVSS No. 208


http://0-edocket.access.gpo.gov.libr...7/E7-14694.htm

Spyker Automobielen B.V.; Grant of Application for a Temporary
Exemption From Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards No. 108, and 208;
and Part 581 Bumper Standard

http://regulations.justia.com/view/16926/


I told you to Pick Your Words carefully tough guy.

[simann]

Originally Posted by JayWhy

The war on Skylines=The war on drugs

They can take away EVERY Skyline in the US and it still won't do shit. Someone, somewhere (especially where I live,FL,etc....) will figure out a way to bring one in. It's a car....not a crate full of bombs or fully automatic machine guns. Seriously, what do they think this is going to do?

The government is not getting their pay cut, otherwise known as "taxes" from the sale of these cars. Therefore they will seize them and auction the cars off internationally to outside bidders and cash in.

Its pretty sad that some one's job is to come and seize....cars.... I agree, this is a incredible waste of time and tax payer dollars.

[1990jza70]

You would hope they had better things to do with their time

[T AND X]

These were at a local yard waiting for the government. We were told they were going to crush them.

[Ocelot]

Ah, that sucks. I'd love to have one for a track toy, but alas...

[ocd]

Originally Posted by T AND X

These were at a local yard waiting for the government. We were told they were going to crush them.

Who's yard is that? Police?

[Iheartboost2]

kinda sad. if they were mine there would only be a shell for them to take.

[T AND X]

Not a police yard. It has a bunch of cars and they auction cars every week. There was also a red R35 skyline there also.

[ocd]

Originally Posted by T AND X

Not a police yard. It has a bunch of cars and they auction cars every week. There was also a red R35 skyline there also.

Just a holding area i suppose. Sad. I hope they're not being abused

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by ocd

Just a holding area i suppose. Sad. I hope they're not being abused

Wow, I wonder who owns those two cars ?

[DragonSi]

who's down to break them out? Gone in 60 seconds style.

[Tax66666]

Hi everybody,
I(and my business Partner) own the two cars shown here.(I thought I owned them, but after 3 month playing hide and seek with US Costums and ICE I`m not shure if I ever had any leagel rights at the cars at all)
Since 3 Month I try to get any official statement what have happend here.
I`m not US citizen the company that bought the cars is not US.The cars where not even planed to be sold on US teritory. I come from an indipend Country with a good"allied" relationship to the US.
Till today we got no official letter from anyone that let us know why the cars are taken away and where they are.
This is realy a funny thing. We had the information(not official , just over the telephone while talking to the official People) that the cars where keept in a safe warehouse, and now we see how they where "stored".
I was realy a fan of the USA till that shit happend. This homeland security/ICE thing you have there seems to be the right thing that a goverment can do whatever it wants. The bad day for the USA was 911 but even worse was the day you got this nice Homelandsecurity thing. This thing is winding around all of you like a snake, and it looks like you are all preaty helpless. I realy pray that you find a way to get out of this 1984 Orwell Nightmare.
The way your officials and the govermant is akting here is so unbelivebel that I think I do not want to wish to visit that country ever again. We got no Idea what is going on, we got no Information and somebody just taken away our legal bought property and we even do not know why. What can happen to a not US Citizen if he is getting catched doing realy something wrong like driving 10 Mph faster than allowed? Would I have to go to jail 90 Days before I can talk to my atorney? This whole thing is so "spooky" I just hope that you can see from the inside what is happening to you and your country . Belive me even very US friendly people like me can see it perfecktly from the outside.
Sorry to all of you for my bad school english.

Edit I got an Idea what they are after, the red car does not even have a engine that was availible at anytime from the Nissan factory.
I think there are just alot of people who have nothing realy serious to do , so they start doing silly things.

If the rest of the world would akt like this the USA would not even be abel to export Hummers or pick ups that consume so much fuel that a normal mid size european car can run 4 Times the distance than these Gasoline sugglers. Don`t get me wrong I love most of these "Fuel consumtion" Monsters, but that is not the point...... How many of these banned ,evil GT-Rs are on the road ? I think not more than GM sold Hummer H2s in one month when they had their high times.
Does anyone think that the Crastest safty standards of a GTr is lower than the crab the big tree is selling to you right now?
I have actual crash tests of US cars that would keep you awake all night. And do you realy think the CO2 output of one of these GTR engines is higher than the output of a big Porsche ,Ferrari,Aston Martin...... or of a 2007 Cadillac Escalade??? Wake up!!!

[importtuner]

What a shame. That's fucking bullshit that those cars are gonna get scrapped. At least give the owner a chance to recoup and sell it overseas or something.

[TheGVR4kid]

If you bought Skylines from a non-US company to go to a non-US country, what in the world are they doing in the US?

[importtuner]

Obviously the owners were lead to believe that it was legal in the U.S. Instead of having the car trashed by the govt and completely having the owner lose $50k+, they should have the option to sell it. Don't know how much these cars go for in other parts of the world, but it's much better than than not getting anything at all. Thanks for the smartass reply though!

[Tax66666]

O.k for everybody who wonders how the cars came to the USA
Where in the world do you think they did the shooting of "Fast and the furious 4"?

By the way for those who are interested, the two cars are worth someting above 200.000,- Bucks.......................................

and knowing this I feel much better that somebody has stored them that well.I`m preaty shure that the nice people working there had a lot
of fun with them while driving them to that place.(Perhaps I will even find a nice Video on you tube with a titel like" me torturing the hero car from the Movie, see how I just killed the gearbox and the clutch in3 minutes" and" I could not belive that the tyres could get F****d up so fast............."
This all is so sad If i could belive what is going on here there could be even tears!

[ocd]

Originally Posted by Tax66666

O.k for everybody who wonders how the cars came to the USA
Where in the world do you think they did the shooting of "Fast and the furious 4"?

By the way for those who are interested, the two cars are worth someting above 200.000,- Bucks.......................................

and knowing this I feel much better that somebody has stored them that well.I`m preaty shure that the nice people working there had a lot
of fun with them while driving them to that place.(Perhaps I will even find a nice Video on you tube with a titel like" me torturing the hero car from the Movie, see how just killed the gearbox and the clutch in3 minutes and I could not belive that the tyres could get F****d up so fast.............

Did you get an attorney? Is that even possible being non-us citzen? You must have some right to your property. If I'm not mistaken, your plan was to export the cars in the first place...right?

[Tax66666]

Hi thanks we got two atorneys now, and belive me things would move now.
Funy that the US Atorny write letters to GTR owners and give them a choice and a deadline of 60 days to export the cars. I talked to her month ago and she wont give us that choice.??? The cars were clearly declared for export to europe . But what does it help? Till today we got not even a official notice from no one why the cars are taken away and where. They talked to me at the phone bur refuse to even send us a official note. A week ago I had the Idea to just fly to NY walk in the next police station and just tell the cops that I`m missing two cars, and I got the impression that they where stolen................... but than I thought "Oh my god if I arrive there and drive over a stoplight or sign perhaps I would have to go to jail for 25 Years......... So finaly we hired two very capabel attornys. I just can hope they smash that whole bunsh of *********** up. Be sure I will let you know how this farry tale is proceding.

Here is the Letter I sadly never get!!!!

http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/20...r-60-days.html

[1990jza70]

Wow, our govt really needs to worry about securing our borders before they waste their time with seizing skylines. Just my opinion.

[rev440]

I hope everything works out that red cars stupid hot.

[ScrappyJack]

It sounds like the German gentleman needs to make sure that his attorneys are also speaking to the US sellers of the vehicles.

Ultimately, ignorance of the law has never been a viable defense. IF it was the case that the vehicles were never legal in the USA and IF they were never eligible for export, then (A) caveat emptor ("buyer beware") and (B) there may be some recourse against the seller.

Imagine if you bought a stolen car. You wouldn't be receiving compensation from the authorities that claimed it.


I am not saying I agree with the use of funds and manpower in this hunt for potentially illegally imported vehicles. I am saying that the first post by our German visitor is likely overblown in his vision of an Orwellian doomsday.

[Tax66666]

Hello Scrappy Jack,
thanks for you posting you miss the point first all, documents Titel, costums paperwork for the cars etc where there.We are professionel car dealers and do that all day since years, so I think we know what we do and where we have to look at. So with all official paperwork the cars were leagel! Second, I know that the goverment is chasing people that try to get around laws. Here they think the cars where just disasampeld in Japan and put together again in the states after importing the parts sepreatly. The truth is that they where Importet as singel Boyshells and everything whats inside has nothing to do with the orininal cars. In case of the red car the car was never ever availible with the engine installed now.
Besides all that what realy p******s me of is that even after I talked to the officials
we do not get one peace of paper what happend or where our property is.(Nobody has told us that the paperworks for the cars are fakes ,because they are not) This means in fact we do not even had a chance to explainn the thing. On the other side the same people who seized our cars send letters to other GTR/Skyline owners and give them a "Deadline to export the cars without even knowing if the car is against any Law " I have information that you are owner of.............)We bought the cars just for export, but nobody ever takes care about this point the cars are gone and officialy we do not have a Idea why.We only being told the cars where stored in a safe place. (Look at The Picture!) We do know that all thepaperworks where O.K. We do know there is no file agains us or our company and we bought the vehicles weeks before they seized them.
I would not moan about the whole sitiuation if this has happend in Russia or Nigeria, but we are still talking about the United States of America. If a goverment can take away anything they want without letting the person they do damage on even letting know why they took away his property and they even confirm that there is no case against the person they harm.And they do not even confirm with documents that the property is collected by them, how should the person get his property back. THIS IS REALY STRANGE! What kind of picture do you have than

This is what your Law is saying about it!! and I think there is nothing more to say to this!

A person aggrieved by an unlawful. . . seizure of property or by the
deprivation of property may move for the property's return. The
motion must be filed in the district where the property was seized.
The court must receive evidence on any factual issue necessary to
decide the motion. If it grants the motion, the court must return the
propert to the movant, but may impose reasonable conditions to
protect access to the property and its use in later proceedings.

But to do that the person needs to know who and why seized the property!! Now we are back to my second posting....
Should I fly to the USA walk in a police station and tell them "My cars are stolen, I know who steal them..... Its the Goverment.
Where the F**k is the problem to give me a official note about whats happening? Then I would had have a chance to go the existing official way.

As far as I asume we got positive information there is nothing going on against us, we bought the cars leagel.
So why do they collect them??? To be sure there are not used on a US Road, (the cars where not even registered in the USA)well if we export the cars the effect is the same .

[T AND X]

I think the cars are gone now.

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by T AND X

I think the cars are gone now.

Thank you this is just the conformation that the things are moving now.