US Department of Justice Demands Export/Surrender of Kaizo Skyline GT-R

[Tax66666]

Hello T and X

Is it possible that you are telling me where exact you did the "Whalewatching"
I would like to send one of our Attorneys there to make some evidence Pictures of the cars and get them checked.
If you don`t feel well about it just let me know, I won`t mind
I just don`t want, that now that I have a chance to get them back somebody is doing silly things to them.

Thank you
Tax66666

[aNskY]

Originally Posted by Tax66666

Thank you this is just the conformation that the things are moving now.

does this mean your lawyers won? or are they crushed?

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by aNskY

does this mean your lawyers won? or are they crushed?

This just means that the cars are not standing in the sun like peaces of shit, and our attorneys just told the officials yesterday that the cars are real nicley stored.
Thanks to the guy who posted the picture.!!!!

[2jz1974]

tax66666 did u buys the cars from kaizo , or were they auctioned off by US customs and you bought it from them?

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by 2jz1974

tax66666 did u buys the cars from kaizo , or were they auctioned off by US customs and you bought it from them?

We the, company, bought the cars from the original owner.

[2jz1974]

Originally Posted by Tax66666

We the, company, bought the cars from the original owner.

The original owner in japan? did you knwo the car was going to be shiped to US and did you know the blue car was going to be used for the movie?Did you also know daryl of kaizo claimed that the blue hero car was gong to be his personal car after the movie?

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by 2jz1974

The original owner in japan? did you knwo the car was going to be shiped to US and did you know the blue car was going to be used for the movie?Did you also know daryl of kaizo claimed that the blue hero car was gong to be his personal car after the movie?

Yes we do know it`s the Movie car , why do you think I would pay so much for a old model of a skyline, I have 3 new ones(R35) in Stock!We bought the car in the USA. With leagel Paperworks, what is the conection to the Situation if or if not Daryl claimed this and that? I know him and I see in this forum a few guys seem to not like him. In my opinion he did nothing wrong and this whitchhunt that is going on in the USA on Skyline owners is just the beginning , we had the same kind of shit in Germany with " Dangerous Dogs" They started with 4 Races and now they ad 2 or 3 Races every year. In the beginning the peopel who owend "Rottweiler" said "yea kill ol the Pit Bulls" now after 5 Years their Dogs are on the List too, and now they are crying all Day that nobody is gone help them. You will see after they sort out all the " bad Skylines", they will take the next target ....... Supras............ RX7........... Shelbys
Politik is working the same way everywhere.............. You should better get organised and hire Lawyers to fight for you . Organise your Comunity. If you just look and you let the politics get thru with what they are now doing with the skylines..............perhaps your car is on the List next who knows.
I just hope we get our cars back, because they are leagel in our country!

[Mazx6]

Originally Posted by Tax66666

Yes we do know it`s the Movie car , why do you think I would pay so much for a old model of a skyline, I have 3 new ones(R35) in Stock!We bought the car in the USA. With leagel Paperworks, what is the conection to the Situation if or if not Daryl claimed this and that? I know him and I see in this forum a few guys seem to not like him. In my opinion he did nothing wrong and this whitchhunt that is going on in the USA on Skyline owners is just the beginning , we had the same kind of shit in Germany with " Dangerous Dogs" They started with 4 Races and now they ad 2 or 3 Races every year. In the beginning the peopel who owend "Rottweiler" said "yea kill ol the Pit Bulls" now after 5 Years their Dogs are on the List too, and now they are crying all Day that nobody is gone help them. You will see after they sort out all the " bad Skylines", they will take the next target ....... Supras............ RX7........... Shelbys
Politik is working the same way everywhere.............. You should better get organised and hire Lawyers to fight for you . Organise your Comunity. If you just look and you let the politics get thru with what they are now doing with the skylines..............perhaps your car is on the List next who knows.
I just hope we get our cars back, because they are leagel in our country!

Supras, rx7s and other cars that have an US version I wouldn't think would be a problem. They can be converted to US crash standards with US parts.

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by Mazx6

Supras, rx7s and other cars that have an US version I wouldn't think would be a problem. They can be converted to US crash standards with US parts.

Hi, perhaps you can explain to me why it absolute seems to be impossible to converd a skyline into the US specs? In Germany you can do that as a "small series of production cars",(max 500 of the same type) this will cost you something like 100 Grand but divided to 500 owners its peanuts. :We did the same thing with a car called "K1 Attack", what was a Kit car 5 years ago. So why does nobody try it on the Skylines? What I do not understand is what the hell is so damm special on skylines that there seems to be absolute no way to get them leagel. The engine is a normal engine and the car passed all the crash tests everywhere in the world, exapt USA.
I do know the US specifikation have a high level , but its not the highest in the world.
The European countrys did crashtests with the actual Ford Pick ups, and belive me after you have seen this you would never sit in one of these again. So perhaps thats a way to get the skylines leagel . But somebody has to start. How will it work?
What is the procedure to get a car proven converted into US Specs?
Thanks

[ScrappyJack]

Originally Posted by Mazx6

Supras, rx7s and other cars that have an US version I wouldn't think would be a problem. They can be converted to US crash standards with US parts.

I wouldn't gamble on RHD or non-USDM versions of those cars based on current interpretations of the laws.

Originally Posted by Tax66666

Hi, perhaps you can explain to me why it absolute seems to be impossible to converd a skyline into the US specs?
[SNIP]
What is the procedure to get a car proven converted into US Specs?

tyndago can best answer this question as he is the only one on this board that I am aware of who has been actively involved in the process of making Skylines (GT-Rs specifically) US market legal through all governing bodies.

Certain cars have been approved and are fully legal. They are specific Motorex cars and are both rare and highly priced. Though not as highly priced as your movie cars.

There are major differences between a GT-R and a low production kit car (Rossion, Factory Five, Noble, Cobra replica, etc) that have been hashed out at great length before. You might be able to find discussions with pertinent points by searching the Other Cars sub-forum for terms like "skyline import legal".


As to your specific situation, let's use your dog analogy. Imagine if it were illegal to possess a Rottweiler in Germany. (Talk about an Orwellian nanny state: a domestic breed of dog being outlawed throughout an entire country...) Now, let's say I bought a beautiful, purebred Rottweiler with immaculate lineage from you with the idea that it would be sent from Germany to me here in the US where no such bans exist.

However, after I sent payment but before you could send the dog to me, the Bundespolizei or some other Federal police force seized it and euthanized it.

[Tax66666]

Originally Posted by ScrappyJack

As to your specific situation, let's use your dog analogy. Imagine if it were illegal to possess a Rottweiler in Germany. (Talk about an Orwellian nanny state: a domestic breed of dog being outlawed throughout an entire country...) Now, let's say I bought a beautiful, purebred Rottweiler with immaculate lineage from you with the idea that it would be sent from Germany to me here in the US where no such bans exist.

However, after I sent payment but before you could send the dog to me, the Bundespolizei or some other Federal police force seized it and euthanized it.

O.K I totaly understand what you mean..... but lets say we did it that way for export.
I come home and somebody seized the Dogs while I`m not there, only thing is that my neigbours tell me their where seized. I call the police and they tell me yes we got your dogs, but we wont give you anything on paper, and we won`t tell you why we sized them, and we wont tell you where they are nor for how long and for what reason we take them away. I had in mind if sombody is making a case against you, you are at least informed what is going on..... Now to top the thing one of my Neigbours apears a day later showing me a letter from the same officials setting him a time line of 60 Days to export his Dogs out of the country and if he will not agree they are gona be sized........... Now that is something I realy wait for a very good explanation from the goverment. I do not say I disrespect any laws of your Country but isn`t that strange, one person you inform to export the Cars with a deadline and the other you just collect his property and finish? What I miss in the Letter from Miss Wang are some other things. What happens if you just deregister the car an keep in storage for your private pleasure. I know somebody here who owns a T 80 Russian Tank, he will never be abel to drive it on the street ( of course the vehicle is demilitarised(? )

But he can have it in his private storing facility as long as he wants, ( beside the point that I find it very strange to have a private tank) and he even can use it on his private Propperty. I got some cars in private collection that will never be abel to drive on a leagel public road............ Does that mean I have to export or crush them?
Best Regards
Tax66666

[mignuts]

These cars are evidence apparently, or else they wouldn't have been confiscated by the authorities. Highly unlikely that you will be getting these cars back, as they were handled by Kaizo at some point, which makes your claim to these cars pretty irrelevant at the moment. There has to be a way to get your money back, and I'm sorry, but those two cars are NOT worth $200,000. A GT-T with GT-R parts doesn't really kick up the price astronomically, and the blue car isn't worth an insane amount either. Is that what you paid for both?

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by ScrappyJack

I wouldn't gamble on RHD or non-USDM versions of those cars based on current interpretations of the laws.


tyndago can best answer this question as he is the only one on this board that I am aware of who has been actively involved in the process of making Skylines (GT-Rs specifically) US market legal through all governing bodies.

Certain cars have been approved and are fully legal. They are specific Motorex cars and are both rare and highly priced. Though not as highly priced as your movie cars.

There are major differences between a GT-R and a low production kit car (Rossion, Factory Five, Noble, Cobra replica, etc) that have been hashed out at great length before. You might be able to find discussions with pertinent points by searching the Other Cars sub-forum for terms like "skyline import legal". it.

The Skyline GT-R is not "illegal" for the US market.

A right hand drive Supra is not "illegal" for the US market.

Either car could be brought into the current standards based on the petitioning process, the DOT could determine they meet standards, show or display, etc.

Got that ? Everyone in class understand that ?

Next point the class needs to understand - no one is keeping these cars out specifically. They are high profile, but no one keeps them out. The DOT, NHTSA and Dick Merritt at the DOT don't like them much, but they still managed to put the 1999 R34 on the "Show or Display" list recently. DOT exempt 2500 miles per year. Need to meet EPA.

VCP-17 http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/20...-gt-r-for.html - was allowed by the DOT after they reviewed all the documentation and crash testing that Motorex and JK gave them back in 1998-2000. Yes thats nearly 2 years they reviewed the information provided. Then for about 5 years , they allowed Motorex to import and certify cars. I like how they claim that it was fraudulent now, but everything was laid out in front of those guys in 1998-1999. They accepted things how they were, and then decided to change what they allowed later on. There is a provision in the CFR called "substantially similar." Someone look that term up in the CFR and tell me what the definition of it is exactly.

Right at the end of the whole Motorex drama, I was preparing to crash test a Skyline with another RI. I had been to the test facility with the car, and we were preparing it when the whole bond release letter of the final 50 cars or so happened.

These cars are being treated guilty prior to any charges. Due process for Daryl and Kaizo has not happened yet.

You may "think" you know the law, but sit down for a second, and think about due process.

[Mazx6]

^ Very interested Sean. Any intentions of maybe doing crash testing again after all THIS drama dies down?

[1990jza70]

Sean, I hope they understand that,lol

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by Mazx6

^ Very interested Sean. Any intentions of maybe doing crash testing again after all THIS drama dies down?

The crash testing that I was working on was several years ago now. It was with G and K, CEE Labs in Santa Ana. They were the EPA/CARB test lab that Motorex and JK both used to test vehicles.

If someone wanted to go though all the drama, put up money, do some OBD II certification, I have the full capabilities to do it just costs money. Thats it. Just costs money, and takes time.

No one has the money, or wants to spend the money on something like this. If there is someone that does, let me know.

I pretty much gave up the ideas of doing it the RI route. People do their state thing, parts thing, through Canada thing.

[2jz1974]

Originally Posted by tyndago

Dick Merritt at the DOT don't like them much,.

but if it had a ferarri name on it,Mr merrit has no problems giving his blessing.They talk highly about him in the ferarri world

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by 2jz1974

but if it had a ferarri name on it,Mr merrit has no problems giving his blessing.They talk highly about him in the ferarri world

Yes he would have given them his blessing if they were Ferraris-older Ferraris with "no computers ,or crap.". When I was talking to him about the Show or Display R34, he said he was against it, but they passed it anyway.

Then when we were talking more he "couldn't understand why anyone would want one of those computer controlled things."

He was not a young guy when I went and saw him in 1999. He has to be about 10 years past retirement age... has to be.

[2jz1974]

sean you should of told him,stop by your local nissan delaership that has the new GTR.Then tell him to turn it on,maybe the computers will give him a heart attack cause it interfered with his pace maker

[T34418L3one]

well if the bodies are modified first then it is in fact not the production vehicle and could recieve a new vin. They do it with motorcycle customs all the time. I think this is just people chasing a needle in a haystack to keep the budget up and themselves busy so they dont get canned.

[2jz1974]

Originally Posted by T34418L3one

well if the bodies are modified first then it is in fact not the production vehicle and could recieve a new vin. They do it with motorcycle customs all the time. I think this is just people chasing a needle in a haystack to keep the budget up and themselves busy so they dont get canned.

kaizo never set him self up as a manufacture,only a manufacturer is allowed to issue MSo and issue or reissue a vin #.

[mignuts]

Originally Posted by 2jz1974

kaizo never set him self up as a manufacture,only a manufacturer is allowed to issue MSo and issue or reissue a vin #.

Actually, from what they said, Kaizo was recognized in over 30 states as a manufacturer. The problem is that they never were an RI or ICI, so for them to even be bringing in these cars/parts was a bit questionable. Not even sure how Silvia's were starting to show up as well.

[2jz1974]

Originally Posted by mignuts

Actually, from what they said, Kaizo was recognized in over 30 states as a manufacturer. The problem is that they never were an RI or ICI, so for them to even be bringing in these cars/parts was a bit questionable. Not even sure how Silvia's were starting to show up as well.

who you hear that from ,kaizo?? if the stuff they said was true why are they in this mess.Just because a state reconized them as a brand or manufacture doesnt mean they were.go on the NHTSA website ,there is a part u can look up a manufacture staus.and kaizo was never on it,a manufacture isnt an RI.a legit manufacture is allowed to self certify there cars,but if something happens themanufacture is liable

[2jz1974]

kaizo never got a WMI,a wmi are 3 characters given to a manufacture.those first 3 characters belong to 1 manufacture,kaizo made up there first 3 .
here is the site to check
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/manufacture/

[tyndago]

Originally Posted by mignuts

Actually, from what they said, Kaizo was recognized in over 30 states as a manufacturer. The problem is that they never were an RI or ICI, so for them to even be bringing in these cars/parts was a bit questionable. Not even sure how Silvia's were starting to show up as well.

If you are a manufacturer, then you should not be an RI or an ICI. They are different things completely. They follow different rules and regulations on importing.

So if Kaizo was "recognized as a manufacturer" by a state, and states are the ones that deal with titling a car, then were they in the right ?

Importing auto parts is legal. Titling cars is legal. So is this not a state issue, not a federal issue now ? Up to the individual states, like marijuana laws in California ? Although Federally its not allowed, on a state level it is allowed with certain restrictions.

If Kaizo only sold rolling bodies less engine and transmission like say Rossion or Superperformance .

http://www.superformance.com/Faqs.aspx

" How complete is a Superformance roller?

Imagine a complete car – take out the engine and transmission (transaxle) and that is our replica. They are completely assembled and painted at our factory by experts that have produced over 2500 MKIII’s plus our other product lines. "

"How do I register my Superformance chassis?

Each state in the USA has different requirements and regulations with regards to the registration of your specially constructed vehicle. We highly recommend that you verify all requirements with your local DMV office.

SEMA has posted a list of state by state registration information : visit this link. SEMA SAN."