TRD 320 km/h

[Ulrik]

Hey Dusty !

I saw the TRD 320 km/h meter on your website.
Is it a perfect fit, so you just remove the old one and put in the new one like the TRD 10k meter ?

Because if you look at the 2 pictures, the meters are not the same, the holes dont line up....Since i have a LHD car....

Thanks







EDIT:

I just read an old post that it dosn´t fit...
Whats the best way to MAKE it fit ?
Remove just the face and apply on the old one ?
Is it hard ?

Thanks

[V8 Killer]

Correct, it does not fit USA-spec or LHD cars. This is made to fit RHD and J-Spec cars only. However, I do not for a fact you can make it work quite easily.

PM "Klaus" here on SF, he has the full details (including pictures) on how to make this work on your car.

Klaus has given me permission to send people his way for this. I may do a write-up on it in the future.

Regards,

Dusty

[DWSUPRA]

Where Can I get your old 300 KM unit? will it work complete into a USA car? I am in Venezuela, and we read in Kms, but my supra was imported from USA....

[V8 Killer]

Again - the TRD 320km speedo does not fit directly into a USA-spec Supra.

I am working with Klaus to do a write-up on how to make it work, but honestly it is not top priority for me right now. I will get to it as soon as both Klaus and I can, but it may be some time.

Kind regards,

Dusty

[Klaus]

Originally Posted by V8 Killer

I am working with Klaus to do a write-up on how to make it work

OK - here is the "Beta Version" ...
(I take no response if something goes wrong following this instruction ... )
(one more thing: dont mind my bad spelling ... )

Bottum line is to switch the dish ONLY !
- but THAT is hard ...
Take out the speedo out from the cluster.
Move the needel to the 120 km/h mark
Loosen the dish by taking up in both SIDES - and SIDES only - or u will break the needle !
When loosened from the glue turn the dish/needle 2 rounds ANTI clock wise - to take the spring preload off the needle - keep the needle at "120" holding up the "sides" (30 and 230 km/h)
Again position the dish again at its "correct" position (though turned 2 rounds anticlock wise).
Hold the speedo horisontal to se where the needle rest (at the exacte center of the spring power) : needle wont turn either directions.
Notice THAT point (mine was at 270 km/h)
Now take off the needle - that is hard .
You basicly need a micro "pull off tool" - I used a fork (goes underneeth the needle and a very thin sewing needle to put into the littel hole in the needle and SLIGHTLY hammer the needle off shaft holding the needle back with the fork - you WILL scratch the surface ifg you not put something underneeth the fork - I used a piece of paper ...
Before u take off the disch - notice (make a mark) where the 120 and 300 km/h marks are positioned.
Now you can take off the old dish - LEAVING the glue on the speedo - that is going to be the only thing holding the new TRD disch !!!
Now - in the same way as discribed above - take off the TRD dish fron the TRD speedo you just bought - that is the only thing you will use ...
To have the TRD dish to fit, you need to cut off all the fixpoints so it becomes complete circular - actually very close the black part of the disch - where it original is closest to the black part : that is the circle line to cut !
Put the TRD dish back - but DO NOT make it stick HARD to the glue - just slightly "resting" on the glue is OK ...
Rest it intermidiate in th exact same place as the original dish - using the 120 and 300 km/h marks.
Now put back the needle at the same reading where it "rested" prior to taking it off.
Now turn the needle to the 120 km/h mark (you can only turn it anti clok wise up to 120) and lift the sides (30 and 230 km/h) and turn the dish (and the needle) 2 rounds clockwise to preload the needle again).
Again positioning the dish using the 120/360 marks.
NOW make it stik FIRM to the glue and make sure the glue is working good - holding the dish firm !
Make sure the needle moves freely !
Make sure the dish is centered.
From here on the rest is a piece of cake ...

I have made this convertion 4 times - 4 times succes !

Ohhhh - one more thing: PATIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck

[Klaus]

Some pics:

[DWSUPRA]

Thanks a lot

I still have a couple of questions and I quote

"When loosened from the glue turn the dish/needle 2 rounds ANTI clock wise - to take the spring preload off the needle - keep the needle at "120" holding up the "sides" (30 and 230 km/h)"

Does it mean, turn the dish AND the needle together 2 rounds ANTI Clock wise?

Is the needle able to do complete anticlock wise turn with the needle rest stick in place?

Just that by now

Thanks a bunch, I am ordering one now

Next step is to switch to KM odometer with new motor and body kit etc... Who could sell me a LHD ODO in kms? any canadian guy over here?

thanks

DJ

[DWSUPRA]

okey they are both...

Are the positioned marks 120KM/300 or 120km/360?

So I have to notice where are these marks on the MPH USDM speedo, right? and then match the JDM one to them.. right?

Will it then read accurate at all speed?

Thanks

DJ

[Klaus]

Originally Posted by DWSUPRA

Does it mean, turn the dish AND the needle together 2 rounds ANTI Clock wise?

Yes

Originally Posted by DWSUPRA

Is the needle able to do complete anticlock wise turn with the needle rest stick in place?

Yes

Originally Posted by DWSUPRA

So I have to notice where are these marks on the MPH USDM speedo, right? and then match the JDM one to them.. right?

Yes, Yes

Originally Posted by DWSUPRA

Will it then read accurate at all speed?

Yes, it will read EXACTLY the same as your old speedo - your old speedo could do 320 km/h too - but it has just no readings.
Notice that the all the readings is at the same plece on the TRD as on the stock dish - the TRD dish having an extra reading: The 320 Km/h mark - and o/c the TRD logo ...

[DWSUPRA]

Yeah, and for me is perfect, KM is what I ma used to, and the TRD one just in KMs looks just Clean....

Thank you Klaus, I might come with some more questions once I have it in my hands.

Very usefull info.

One more thing, I have seen in past this "pull off tool", so maybe we could get one from the specialized hardware store, but the good thing to know would be the real name of it.

I think this tool should be very popular among the guys/installer of indiglo/white faced dials .

[DWSUPRA]

Will the trd logo on the speedo get well iluminated after this mod? as the trd rpm tach does?

[DWSUPRA]

I found something similiar.... seems that at 12 oclock position, 120 km mark is the point where to take the needle... interesting..

http://www.grandprix.net/upgrades/wfgindex.html

[DWSUPRA]

this should be the tool to get or fabricated from a flat screwdriver...

[DWSUPRA]

or use this idea with a wire behind of it,

This shouldn`t scratch the dish and apply equal force to the needle

[DWSUPRA]

The thing that I don`t understand that much is the 2 turn anticlock wise without taking the needle rest point in order to take the spring preload.. on several indigloo applications they just ask for remove the needle from rest position and then put it back in, or maybe is becuase the preload will move the spring and then the needle won`t be in the right position again? strange...

[DWSUPRA]

Klaus, when you reffered to my old speedo, you were talking about the USDM MPH one, right? I have that one, so my needle is calibrated for it... I am guessing you though it was a KM/H 300 standard one?

[DWSUPRA]

Klaus, this is what I understood, please check; I am not too sure on step 4 and to what to do with needle rest stick??, I mean how can I make 2 full turns of the orange needle with the rest in place?? or why I have to move the dish along with the needle in order to take put the needle spring preload/ and then to put it back????

So here I go:

In order to have the TRD 320KM/H Speedo working into the USDM/EURO/GENERAL WORLD LHD supra you will need to switch the gauge face only (AKA gauge dish, dish)

1)Take out your old Speedo out from the cluster.
1) Move the orange needle to the 120 km/h mark, (that’s 12 o’clock position)
3) Try Loosen the dish by taking up in both SIDES - and SIDES only (lifting up Gently left and right sides of Dish)- take extra care or u will break the needle.
4) When you got the dish loosened from the glue, TURN the dish AND needle TOGETHER 2 COMPLETE rounds ANTI clock wise ( I don`t understand why the dish need to be moved, is it because the rest needle is built into it???, if so I will get clarified) - to take the spring preload off the needle – then AGAIN keep the needle at "120KM/H (12 o-clock position)" holding IT (the needle) up from its "SIDES" (30 and 210 km/h)
5) Make sure the the dish is at the "correct" position BUT turned 2 rounds anticlock wise
6) Notice (make a mark) where the 120 and 300 km/h marks of your MPH speedo are positioned.
7) Hold the Speedo horizontal to see where the needle rest (this is the exact centre of the spring power)- needle wont turn either directions if its perfectly horizontal and without spring preload on it.
8) Notice and MARK THAT NEEDLE point onto the DISH (mine was at 270 km/h) set a reference in the white plastic surrounding area or take a digital pic of its position with good visual reference points.
9) Now take off the needle using the tool above or the shoes wires pulling equal from both sides, some others would use two spoons, works like a couple tiny pry bars from each side, use a paper bellow so you won’t scratch the surface with the forced applied by the forks or spoons on the dish.
10) Now you can take off the old dish - LEAVING the glue on the speedo - that is going to be the only thing holding the new TRD 320KM/H dish
11)Now - in the same way as described above (if you want to keep the trd mechanism/spring preload working and accurate) - take off the TRD dish from the TRD Speedo you just bought - that is the only thing you will use ..., but …if you don`t mind, and want to save some time, remove the needle carefully WITHOUT turning it first and then lift the disch carefully.
12)To have the TRD dish fit your cluster, you need to cut off all the fix points so it becomes completely circular - actually very close the black area of the dish , don`t worry, the glue will keep it in place.
13) Put the TRD 320KM/H speedo dish back in your mechanism - but DO NOT make it stick HARD to the glue - just slightly "resting" on the glue is OK by now...
14) Rest the TRD in the exact same place as the original dish - using the 120 and 300 km/h mark you made on step 6.
15) Now put back the needle at the same reading where it "rested" prior to taking it off (Remember that MY MARK WAS AT 270KM/H, remember yours).
16) Now turn the needle to the 120 km/h mark (you can only turn it anti clock wise up to 120) and lift the sides (30 and 210 km/h) turn the dish and the needle TOGETHER 2 rounds clockwise to preload the needle again).
17) CHECK TRD Dish positioning again dish using the 120km/h-300km/h marks.
18) NOW make it stick FIRM to the glue and make sure the glue is working good - holding the dish firm !
19)Make sure the needle moves freely up and down from rest needle point.
20) Make sure the dish is centred.
21) Put the cluster back on to a final road test.

[DWSUPRA]

OUh! man

The swapping dish won`t work into USDM SPEEDOS!!!!

AM I right? Klaus?

The 120 KM/H mrk on the MPH is in a different position then the 300 KM/Hs ones...

Help please...

[DWSUPRA]

OUH I guess not

I was confused by this manipulated replica

http://www.thor-racing.co.uk/images/facelift_3.jpg

[DWSUPRA]

well after looking carefully at the pics

The MPH one will have 12 oclock position at 80MPH that`s 128KM/H

The TRD KM/H will have 12 oclock position at 120KM/H that`s a 6% offset from what the needle will read

Am I right?

[DWSUPRA]

But.. how the VSS is made on the supra, I mean, from getrag sensor it splits in two, one for AEM/ECU and another for cluster, or it will go first to AEM/ECU and then to cluster? if so, is there a way using the AEM making the frecuency signal out for the cluster 6% faster to compensate?

Anyone?

[Zofix]

Originally Posted by DWSUPRA

well after looking carefully at the pics

The MPH one will have 12 oclock position at 80MPH that`s 128KM/H

The TRD KM/H will have 12 oclock position at 120KM/H that`s a 6% offset from what the needle will read

Am I right?

Yes i think this is strange too, did anybody fit the TRD 320KM/H speedo, unto your original miles+km/h speedo on US-spec supras?

Because 120km/H isnt straight up at the miles speedo.

Please help!

[Swede909]

I'm planning on doing this mod as I already have the speedo. I spoke to a guy in Quebec who has done the conversion a couple of times and he said the speedo has to be calibrated using an electronic device. Not sure exactly what it involves, but I will try to find out some more information. He seemed pretty open about the technique so hopefully I can share with the rest of you.

[-silencer-]

Originally Posted by Swede909

I'm planning on doing this mod as I already have the speedo. I spoke to a guy in Quebec who has done the conversion a couple of times and he said the speedo has to be calibrated using an electronic device. Not sure exactly what it involves, but I will try to find out some more information. He seemed pretty open about the technique so hopefully I can share with the rest of you.

This is what you need:
http://www.blackrobotics.com/yb_home.htm

[throttle]

Can I fit a TRD speedmeter for 1993 supra on to the later 1998 model (the one with 5 meters)?