Bugatti Veyron Vs Toyota Supra

[DTSupra30]

Now most of you may look at this title and laugh? I for one laughed when my friend brought it up in conversation today. Would a 1000hp/1000tq Super car, which seems to be untouchable at this point ever have a chance of being defeated? I dont think anyone knows the answer as the bugatti is clear genious in the world of automobile engineriing and development. But what if? somebody or a mulitiple companies had the funds to develop a supra? could it be possible? A single turbo supra, that was adapted to an awd platform? Bored and stroked completly blue printed engine? widebody conversion really wide tires lol. I think the veyron would own as it does right now 0-100 because I dont think it is possible to create the force it does it has like 986lbs of tq at 2500rpms theres no way to compete with that even with a single turbo supra. But then again the top end, the veyron is speed limited at 252mph b/c they have not yet created tires that are safe beyond that speed which sadly makes the veyron uderated from the factory haha. So mainly the question is, I guess not even a supra now, but could any other car ever match the veryrons performance, if funds were obviously not in question here. I dont really think it could be done. I guess this is more of a think about and discuss topic. So now discuss SF. I for one think the veyron will not be touched by any other car for a long while. I belive in another thread about it someone said you could give the Mclaren F1 a 10 second head start and teh bugatti would still beat it too 200mph. that if true is amazing

Matt

[Dave Capone]

16 cylinders + 4 Turbo's + AWD = ownage of everything
The 250+ mph top speed is mind blowing

[user123]

God vs Ditka vs Supra... Who wins?

[Bobbydtcustoms]

at this point u cant think about beatin they veyron..u have to think about catching up and coming close. i think if u adapted a skyline awd system (bulked up the differentials axles etc. ) with a single turbo making 1000 hp 1000lb ft. ...somehow electronically change the gear ratios for acceleration, top speed, and cruising, find a tire worthy of such demands, create an aerodynamic enough body with enough downforce (use of a wing or something)...it may be able to be somewhat close to the veyron for less than 1.25 mil. just my opinion..very far fetched but ..in a world where magic johnson can live for as long as he has with aids..anythings possible


p.s. IT WILL FLY MATT

[Bobbydtcustoms]

o yeah id like to see the me-412 vs. the veyron..that would be sick..im a chrysler/dodge fan myself..so id be pullin for the me but it would just be sick to watch

[SupraFan17]

Originally Posted by user123

God vs Ditka vs Supra... Who wins?

Trick question, God is Ditka, therefore Ditka wins by default.

My turn: Da Bears vs. Da Bulls

[VickSupra]

Originally Posted by Dave Capone

16 cylinders + 4 Turbo's + AWD = ownage of everything
The 250+ mph top speed is mind blowing

But.........

Give me four 1000-HP Supras with all the bells and whistles and......
















the million dollars left over.
That beats the Veyron.

[300zxttfreak]

heres a video of the veyron
make sure you watch the end for 0-210

video of veyron

[Mark Conte]

210 = 130mph

Anyways...beat it to what? 1/4 mile? Done.

Top speed? JUN Akira Supra = 249mph spinning tires ...has the Veyron REALLY been shown at 252 yet?

You have to define what aspect you're looking for.

I would try to beat the Veyron at TopSpeed with a modified Lotec Sirius if my name would be Richie Rich .

http://www.fast-autos.net/lotec/lotecsirius.html
http://www.raresupercars.com/sirius.htm

[Mr. Wob]

Originally Posted by LYTLdiablo

210 = 130mph

Anyways...beat it to what? 1/4 mile? Done.

Top speed? JUN Akira Supra = 249mph spinning tires ...has the Veyron REALLY been shown at 252 yet?

You have to define what aspect you're looking for.

248 confirmed so far.

[Adrocktt]

Originally Posted by user123

God vs Ditka vs Supra... Who wins?

Easy, God is Ditka, and since god hand forged the 2JZ, he already has one to drive himself.

God=Ditka-in a supra. No contest!

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by LYTLdiablo

210 = 130mph

Anyways...beat it to what? 1/4 mile? Done.

Top speed? JUN Akira Supra = 249mph spinning tires ...has the Veyron REALLY been shown at 252 yet?

You have to define what aspect you're looking for.

Try beating it on 93 octane.

[BPUKiller]

Originally Posted by 300zxttfreak

heres a video of the veyron
make sure you watch the end for 0-210

video of veyron

That's 210 KPH. I coun'ted about 6-7 seconds. Not even an F1 will hit 210mph in that amount of time.

Sam

[lanternman]

If your talking about a race from 0-250+ with a clear winner leading the whole way, your going to have issues. Sure there are cars that can beat it in the 1/4 mile, but not on fully inflated road tires rated for 250+. Unless you wanted to have your own set made, you'd have to adapt the veyron tires to fit your car, but that's the easy part. Your next issues are heat, gearing, and aerodynamics, all while maintaining the previous performance. If your looking for similar numbers just look here,

http://www.fastcoolcars.com/callaway_sledgehammer.htm

That was done with less horsepower, the difference is it had to run a drag setup to get that acceleration and then a completely different setup for top speed. The question is could it be done, sure, but it wouldn't be much of a road car by comparison, unless you built it exactly the way they did, in which case your not saving any money anyway.

For the record it supposedly costs them 5 million pounds to make each one when accounting for developement costs, so you're really getting off cheap at $1.25 million.

Also, Wob: Didn't Car and Driver hold a sustained 253 where it was limited, or was that not considered official?

[Mr. Wob]

im not sure that was a confirmed speed though. They observed it at the governor, not by speed verification.

[jigga009]

Originally Posted by BPUKiller

That's 210 KPH. I coun'ted about 6-7 seconds. Not even an F1 will hit 210mph in that amount of time.

Sam

F1 cars top out at around 190mph.. American Indy Cars are ultimately faster

[Mr. Wob]

not on planet earth.

Depends on the track the car is set up for - speeds over 220mph are very real.

The IRL cars are set up for higher speeds, whereas the F1 cars need to be able to operate under a variety of speeds. There is a trade off.

[lanternman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wob

im not sure that was a confirmed speed though. They observed it at the governor, not by speed verification.

I just double checked the issue, you are correct. For some reason I thought they said they clocked it as well.

[jigga009]

Originally Posted by lanternman

For the record it supposedly costs them 5 million pounds to make each one when accounting for developement costs,

This statement is a little perplexing since in Car and Driver last month I think, Thomas Bscher (heads the Bugatti group) excplicitly mentioned that VW was making money off each car that rolled out.

Jeremy Clarkson is the only one I have observed mentioning that VW were taking a hit on each car. I am curious also as to where the truth lies, although I doubt any car company is in the business of bleeding away money as Bugatti would be if they were in fact taking such a loss on each car.

I do know thought hat McLaren weren't making much if anything off the F1, but I think that was mainly due to its production run being cut short at 100 units (inc racing cars) due to unforseen changes in global economy when the cars were introduced.

How does a Supra compare to a Veyron? I'll give a frank and honest answer and say that it doesn't, apart form the fact that both are GT cars..

They Supra is down a few cylinders, a few turbos, a gear, a few radiators, intercoolers, and in stock form, 700 plus HP.

Sure, you can modifiy a Supra to make 1000HP, but you can do the same thing with anything out there with enough money.

The Veyron will make its power running on pump gas. The Supra likely won't make anywhere near 1000HP on pump gas. This isn't to take anything away from the Supra though.

The Veyron also comes with 1001 underrated PS (which each coming with a warranty) from the factory. As we all know, there is no warranty on such a Supra at such a high state of tune.

Finally, there is the topic of cachet that each brand has.

Comparing a Supra to a Veyron is like comparing an Evo to a Bentley Continental Flying Spur. Apples to Oranges...

Bugatti really have raised the bar so high now tthat I doubt anyone would be beating it anytime soon. It may happen some day though (took 10 years to dethrone the F1 did it not?). I am sure that Christian von Koenigsegg will be out somewhere cursing right now though....Maybe he will get up there with the Veyron if he straps an even bigger blower to his V8 powerplant?
Sure, tuner-modified cars may go faster, but as was hinted above, they just are not a complete package like the Veyron is.

[Olivier Caza]

The Veyron is the ultimate go-fast machine as the world is, right now, today, at this very moment. It sips on plain-jane 93 octane, has 1000 hp, 925 lbs of tq or so, has a 252 mph top speed (it will be GPS verified, don't worry, as business like VW would not set to build the fastest production car ever, claiming they will do so and come up short 5 years later), while still being VERY luxurious and comfortable. The package is completely unnattainable by any car right now. NO, the Supra will NEVER have that kind of combined package.

BTW, as Jeremy Clarkson mentionned in his show, in a race to 300 km/h, the McLaren F1 could leave, reach 200 km/h, then the Bugatti could leave and would still beat the F1 to 300 km/h. Yes, it's THAT fast.

-Olivier

[adversary]

2 words.

W 16

okay one letter and a number.

[Mark Conte]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Try beating it on 93 octane.

:sigh: Read the last sentence of what you quoted. The point of my post was 'say what you are trying to compare'

If YOU want to compare octane...then no a supra can't do it.

Will a street supra ever have a package that can do all of these performance oriented stats at once? Probably not...but there are cars that do exceptionally well. Take a look at most of the 1000+whp supras...they are all 220+mph cars, almost all of them have suspensions that can pull over a G in the skid pad (assuming tires and alignment), 70ish mph slaloms, brake from 60 in about 100 feet (except the guys on N/A brakes) and witha different alignment and tires do 9's or better in the 1/4.

Impressive if you ask me...all from one machine built by toyota with 320hp 12 years ago. Is it an exotic? No.

1.3 million? with that kind of money how many supras can you buy and tune to over the power of that car? This car is an exotic, expensive as fuk and not produced to the mass market therefore it can't be compared with a mass produced car like the supra.

[greve84]

Originally Posted by Adrocktt

Easy, God is Ditka, and since god hand forged the 2JZ, he already has one to drive himself.

God=Ditka-in a supra. No contest!

Wrong... Chuck Norris owns all!