John Hennessey Calls out Bugatti

[AZMongoose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYDvV680gk

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by AZMongoose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYDvV680gk

I think that's like yyyyyyyyyyyyyears old, lol. Seen that a while back.

Funny, anyone see the Nov Motor Trend? On the cover it say's Flat Out and has a Lambo Murci, Viper, Z06 and a 911 GT3. They maxed those cars out in speed and the Lambo was the most in MPH to what the acutal car maker states it should be. The Viper was 22mph off in top speed, the Z06 was near 20mph as was the Porsche. They listed drag, CD to wind affects, powerband and all. Then very funny, at the end they put up a Veryon and went on to say what it would take for all 4 of these cars to compete with it on the open road. Like just how much HP and body modifications to cut down the resistance. The Lambo did the best with it's body shape, the Viper was last and needed the most Hp.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...eed/index.html

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by ZBlacktt

I think that's like yyyyyyyyyyyyyears old, lol. Seen that a while back.

Funny, anyone see the Nov Motor Trend? On the cover it say's Flat Out and has a Lambo Murci, Viper, Z06 and a 911 GT3. They maxed those cars out in speed and the Lambo was the most in MPH to what the acutal car maker states it should be. The Viper was 22mph off in top speed, the Z06 was near 20mph as was the Porsche. They listed drag, CD to wind affects, powerband and all. Then very funny, at the end they put up a Veryon and went on to say what it would take for all 4 of these cars to compete with it on the open road. Like just how much HP and body modifications to cut down the resistance. The Lambo did the best with it's body shape, the Viper was last and needed the most Hp.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...eed/index.html

Yeah saw that awhile back...The infamous Danica review that had the Viper/Z06 guys ripping her apart....lol....She made the mistake of saying the Viper lacked grunt and didnt feel like it was accelerating hard lmao.....She did sound like she doesnt know what she is talking about....But her regular ride is extreme so these comparably plebian cars are slow to her i suppose.......Interesting read especially considering what we were discussing...

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by Benz F1

Yeah saw that awhile back...The infamous Danica review that had the Viper/Z06 guys ripping her apart....lol....She made the mistake of saying the Viper lacked grunt and didnt feel like it was accelerating hard lmao.....She did sound like she doesnt know what she is talking about....But her regular ride is extreme so these comparably plebian cars are slow to her i suppose.......Interesting read especially considering what we were discussing...

lol, yea, I read over that part a few times to make sure I was reading what she was saying. I was like ouch. But I guess the top speeds are what they are huh? At least what the cars would do that day. She even threw the word " unstable " in there on the Viper, lol.

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by ZBlacktt

lol, yea, I read over that part a few times to make sure I was reading what she was saying. I was like ouch. But I guess the top speeds are what they are huh? At least what the cars would do that day. She even threw the word " unstable " in there on the Viper, lol.

Yep lol. After reading her blurbs I was always going "WTF"? It was a little disappointing to see the Z and Viper not hit close to there top speeds....But that does reinforce how critical aerodynamics/conditions/track surface are....But for god sakes I dont ever want to see another Danica car review EVAR...Milka Dunna > Danica ....

I await the owners with skills like a Jamie Furman/Ranger to really put the 08 Viper to the test....I guess a dedicated 1/4 track will always yield better 1/4 numbers than the Mags test facility ever could..

[mc_hammer]

Originally Posted by Benz F1

Yep lol. After reading her blurbs I was always going "WTF"? It was a little disappointing to see the Z and Viper not hit close to there top speeds....But that does reinforce how critical aerodynamics/conditions/track surface are....But for god sakes I dont ever want to see another Danica car review EVAR...Milka Dunna > Danica ....

Autocar took the Z06 to Ehra Lessien and got a far better top speed. The video below is by SuperSportwagen but it was the same trial that Autocar covered. The Z06 makes 196mph (315km/h) with a bit of spray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hy7LZWnCUI

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by mc_hammer

Autocar took the Z06 to Ehra Lessien and got a far better top speed. The video below is by SuperSportwagen but it was the same trial that Autocar covered. The Z06 makes 196mph (315km/h) with a bit of spray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hy7LZWnCUI

Nice find...You know Im wondering if maybe Danica is used to going those speeds with alot of downforce.....Whats the probability that she just wasnt comfortable going that fast in a street car with no downforce, hence not pushing the cars she was unfamiliar with??? Her street car is a Gallardo so she was probably more comfortable in the Murci seeing its a Lambo....Just a thought....Cant make much sense from her jabbering though I give her all respect for her racing skills...

[Batty200]

You guys are missing the fact that they just didnt have the room to hit top speed in the MT test. They said they thought they could do the published speeds just not in that distance.

Later

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by Batty200

You guys are missing the fact that they just didnt have the room to hit top speed in the MT test. They said they thought they could do the published speeds just not in that distance.

Later

Right because they would need a 6 to 8 mile straight line track. The max avg on that Ford track is just over 190mph it seems for street production cars. So a better aerodynamic car will reach it near quoted top speed other ones like the Viper's that are going to take a few more miles. So we didn't miss no points I think since were talking about all the factors ( hp, body, drag ). Back in 2003 Justin Bell ( 24 Hours of Le Mans mulit championship GT2 Viper winner and Pratt & Miller Corvette C5-R driver ) did this test Shoot out as well on this very track. He got the Viper up to the 180mph mark and the Lambo Murci up to 193mph. The Z06 he got in the 170mph mark as well.

Only has 0.84-mile straights, yet used often for high speed runs.



but as said by the ones that race these things

In top-speed runs around Ford's Arizona Proving Grounds, a Dodge Viper guzzles at a sickening rate - 4.9mpg. To attain the same 254mph as Bugatti's Veyron would require the Viper V10 to produce 1100 horsepower. Or you could make it 49.7% more aerodynamic. A Corvette Z06 would need a greater aerodynamic gain, but could get by with 1032 horsepower. Then you'd have to take into account cooling issues and stability problems, all of which have been sorted in the Bugatti. One problem reveals another, and it's very likely that an 1100 horsepower Viper would not touch 254 mph. Theoretically, it works. Practically; probably not.....

[ZBlacktt]

This will take on the Veryon

Shelby Supercars Aero TT

1183 bhp and 1094 ft-lbs of torque. The proprietary twin-turbo V8 power plant retains excellent idle characteristics, and thanks to a drag coefficient of just .357, wind tunnel testing calculates the vehicle to be aerodynamically stable to speeds up to 273 mph.

http://www.fast-autos.net/news/129/

[talltrini10]

Lamborghini wants their design back, thanks

[GTR R34]

Originally Posted by talltrini10

Lamborghini wants their design back, thanks

Wath lamborghini design?

[talltrini10]

Originally Posted by GTR R34

Wath lamborghini design?

[ZBlacktt]

These are TQ monsters in my opinion made to accelerate damn fast and bust up to 200mph. Which is damn plenty. But over 250mph? I wouldn't do it as I value my life more. Yes, take at here at my house.

I want this in solid Black next. Best body style on them ever. Super Chargered 700hp with matching TQ.

[Benz F1]

^^Sexy...Agreed.....Best Viper body style bar none....The definitive Viper shape...I will have a TT blue/White on my way to the boneyard .........SC are nice but cant hold a candle to the TT Vipers....Full weight, full street Viper with ac, sound system etc did 7.9 @ 180+mph....A few of those TT's have no cages or chute and run in the very low 8 sec range and trap in the 170's....Nothing but love for these beasts.....Its no wonder some Supra/Vette guys have upgraded to the Snake....

[ohadohad2]

So you got a neighbor that DD a truck?
BTW HOT Viper!

[NickySupra]

Bugatti had to make it's own wind tunnel to test the car at top speed since there was none around that would go past 230mph.

GL with the Viper

JH can't do this. Power isn't everything to get a car past a certain speed it takes ALOT of aero and engineering.

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by Benz F1

^^Sexy...Agreed.....Best Viper body style bar none....The definitive Viper shape...I will have a TT blue/White on my way to the boneyard .........SC are nice but cant hold a candle to the TT Vipers....Full weight, full street Viper with ac, sound system etc did 7.9 @ 180+mph....A few of those TT's have no cages or chute and run in the very low 8 sec range and trap in the 170's....Nothing but love for these beasts.....Its no wonder some Supra/Vette guys have upgraded to the Snake....

I don't see it as a upgrade. But an readdition. Yeah, I've watched those turbo vipers come around over on ViperAlley for years. Then they turn around and sell the cars off to get that huge dime they dropped to make it happen. Which is why a SC Viper is one hundred times more realistic for street and more of a practical sports car ( belt drive vs exhuast driven ). I mean I'm not out to mash the pedal to 8k rpms, have the turbo's spool and then say a few Hail Mary's then take off to the next light. Try and stop and repeat steps one, two and three, lol.

[ohadohad2]

210mph in a quarter,enough said.

"The 1984 Corvette makes approximately 2,400 HP and has run a 6.87 @ 210 in the quarter (4.59 @ 164 in the 8th). When set on a milder boost level, it runs consistent mid 7s."

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentv...de98aca9a7.htm

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1435800

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by ohadohad2

210mph in a quarter,enough said.

"The 1984 Corvette makes approximately 2,400 HP and has run a 6.87 @ 210 in the quarter (4.59 @ 164 in the 8th). When set on a milder boost level, it runs consistent mid 7s."

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentv...de98aca9a7.htm

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1435800

Holy bejebus....That is the new king of the hill....Sick sick sick...

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by ZBlacktt

I don't see it as a upgrade. But an readdition. Yeah, I've watched those turbo vipers come around over on ViperAlley for years. Then they turn around and sell the cars off to get that huge dime they dropped to make it happen. Which is why a SC Viper is one hundred times more realistic for street and more of a practical sports car ( belt drive vs exhuast driven ). I mean I'm not out to mash the pedal to 8k rpms, have the turbo's spool and then say a few Hail Mary's then take off to the next light. Try and stop and repeat steps one, two and three, lol.

Well depends on who you talk to on the upgrade thing....I dont get the build up and sell phenomenon thing either....I get your SC preference but Ill take tt anyday just for the ability to adjust boost on the fly and its better performance...You gonna use DLM/UGR for the SC??

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by ohadohad2

210mph in a quarter,enough said.

"The 1984 Corvette makes approximately 2,400 HP and has run a 6.87 @ 210 in the quarter (4.59 @ 164 in the 8th). When set on a milder boost level, it runs consistent mid 7s."

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentv...de98aca9a7.htm

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1435800

What's sad is I must spend to much time on the net. That video is old too. Not sure what it has to do with this topic, lol. But we've seen 6 cylinder imports runs faster. But thanks

[ZBlacktt]

Originally Posted by Benz F1

Well depends on who you talk to on the upgrade thing....I dont get the build up and sell phenomenon thing either....I get your SC preference but Ill take tt anyday just for the ability to adjust boost on the fly and its better performance...You gonna use DLM/UGR for the SC??

Just saying the Vipers you speak of are the 510ci Twin 76mm cars that even the owners don't even drive to these 7 second to 8 second passes. They have other people do it and from what I've seen. Those driver's are getting harder and harder to come by. These were topic's that came up a year or so go on VA. Now sure you could back that down to smaller turbo's, etc. That would be fun. Either way the power is there to be had. Only the SC route was WAY more cost efficient.

[Benz F1]

Originally Posted by ZBlacktt

Just saying the Vipers you speak of are the 510ci Twin 76mm cars that even the owners don't even drive to these 7 second to 8 second passes. They have other people do it and from what I've seen. Those driver's are getting harder and harder to come by. These were topic's that came up a year or so go on VA. Now sure you could back that down to smaller turbo's, etc. That would be fun. Either way the power is there to be had. Only the SC route was WAY more cost efficient.

I see what you are saying but mine wont be that insane a level,...1200-1300rwhp is plenty enough and very drivable on the street on low boost 900-1000rwhp....I dont get the owners paying money for these 1500-1600rwhp cars but dont learn how to drive it themselves.....

[ohadohad2]

Originally Posted by ZBlacktt

What's sad is I must spend to much time on the net. That video is old too. Not sure what it has to do with this topic, lol. But we've seen 6 cylinder imports runs faster. But thanks

Its related since most of this thread was the debate of Bugati VS others.
There are so many cars like this one and Viper TT,that do ~200mph in a quarter.
Most of them with no aerodynamic kits,thats why Im siding with the anti Bugati people....