US Department of Justice Demands Export/Surrender of Kaizo Skyline GT-R

xknowonex · 08-17-2009, 12:44 PM

http://www.2009gtr.com/2009/08/us-de...r-60-days.html

F1V · 08-17-2009, 01:18 PM

GTZ · 08-17-2009, 01:24 PM

sounds like a nigerian scam to get you to surrender your car to some er...nigerian.

mignuts · 08-17-2009, 01:31 PM

This is only the beginning. Not sure if the few dozen Kaizo owners will have much ammunition against the Feds. Can't say I didn't see this coming though.

Darkman6909 · 08-17-2009, 01:36 PM

Id wait the 60 days to see if its real i doubt it

Toph · 08-17-2009, 02:25 PM

^^^ You're an idiot. This is one time where tryin to be a hard ass is definitely going to backfire.

TrueSlideXL · 08-17-2009, 02:55 PM

Talk about a overallocation of government resources. This matter should have been solved years ago. The Department of Justice should have made a concrete set of guidelines too. Instead a decision has been made to take a car away. Of course that is in lieu of revising existing guidelines and enforcing them in a way that fixes their own loopholes.

koulee · 08-17-2009, 03:52 PM

Ivy Wang!

I say its a scam. If you were gonna get a letter it would be from transportation/motor vehicles, not the Department of Justice.

TrueSlideXL · 08-17-2009, 03:54 PM

Customs might be just as likely too.

AlxRSPTT · 08-17-2009, 04:44 PM

That's when you then send a letter back that just says, "You're information is wrong, but thank you for your concern."

Alex

Mr. Wob · 08-17-2009, 04:51 PM

I would just sell it to the Canadians and cut my losses.

I wonder how it would fair if you stated the car was for track use only and not used on public roads.

lumbercis · 08-17-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueSlideXL

Talk about a overallocation of government resources. This matter should have been solved years ago. The Department of Justice should have made a concrete set of guidelines too. Instead a decision has been made to take a car away. Of course that is in lieu of revising existing guidelines and enforcing them in a way that fixes their own loopholes.

The problem is there was no loophole to begin with. Kaizo just thought they were clever. The relevant law CLEARLY states that the provisions for kit cars are NOT to be used to evade EPA and DOT regulations on importation of non-conforming vehicles.

I wish our laws on importation were more reasonable like canadas, but these guys with Kaizo skylines don't have a legal leg to stand on.

TrueSlideXL · 08-17-2009, 05:07 PM

Like I said, they need to enforce what is written instead of dancing around the issue. Kaizo may have thought they were clever, but the law should have been enforced long ago. I would say that is definitely a loophole just not in the most literal sense.

thatoneguy247 · 08-17-2009, 05:22 PM

are the kaizo skylines sent over as kit cars or actual registered vehicles? If they're just parts, I don't think customs can make you forfeit it. The worst that they can do with it is invalidate your registration so it isn't considered a road going vehicle anymore.

Lagtime · 08-17-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koulee

Ivy Wang!

I say its a scam. If you were gonna get a letter it would be from transportation/motor vehicles, not the Department of Justice.

Google her name. She's a US Attorney.

xknowonex · 08-17-2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koulee

Ivy Wang!

I say its a scam. If you were gonna get a letter it would be from transportation/motor vehicles, not the Department of Justice.

I'd say you should prank call those phone numbers and see what happens lol

gatoradevenom · 08-17-2009, 06:42 PM

I just love how my tax dollars are being used.

mignuts · 08-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wob

I would just sell it to the Canadians and cut my losses.

I wonder how it would fair if you stated the car was for track use only and not used on public roads.

Can't export cars to any NAFTA countries, so the cars need to ship out to either a European or Australian location. Can't ship these cars back to Japan either. I love the part where they say they are organizing a fight. It's really not a fight since legally they have nothing that will hold up in court. Show's over fellas...

PhoeniXDownVII · 08-17-2009, 07:43 PM

Wow, all of this crazy legality crap to drive an ugly import. Okay, not ugly, but we have much prettier alternatives....you know...Toyota made one..I forget the name...

cherzra · 08-17-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoeniXDownVII

Wow, all of this crazy legality crap to drive an ugly import. Okay, not ugly, but we have much prettier alternatives....you know...Toyota made one..I forget the name...

QFT

There was a guy down here in DFW who had half a dozen Skylines he was trying to sell for anything from 30 to 45K. I don't think he ever sold them. Sucks to be him now

Garage112 · 08-17-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wob

I wonder how it would fair if you stated the car was for track use only and not used on public roads.

I was wondering the same thing. I don't get why they want to seize or export it, why not just revoke it's registration and VIN and call it a day.

Z32POWER · 08-17-2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorade-evom

I just love how my tax dollars are being used.

2nd... almost as bad as 20million dollar airplanes

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoeniXDownVII

Wow, all of this crazy legality crap to drive an ugly import. Okay, not ugly, but we have much prettier alternatives....you know...Toyota made one..I forget the name...

ugly... not in my eyes, but turn up the sound on this one (yellow r34)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCNQ6dU7SIE

Lagtime · 08-17-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garage112

I was wondering the same thing. I don't get why they want to seize or export it, why not just revoke it's registration and VIN and call it a day.

That doesn't work either. The DOT is strict about what a "race car" is, and it is not a normal street car that someone decides to call a racecar.

Plus, if it came in illegally it is contraband. Whatever one wants call it after the fact doesn't mitigate against that.

I never understood the desire to pay Porsche turbo money for an illegal car that had to be brought in through such shady practices (other than the handful of MotorX cars).

The GT-Rs are formidable cars, but were they ever worth this much BS? Really?

JayWhy · 08-17-2009, 08:45 PM

The war on Skylines=The war on drugs

They can take away EVERY Skyline in the US and it still won't do shit. Someone, somewhere (especially where I live,FL,etc....) will figure out a way to bring one in. It's a car....not a crate full of bombs or fully automatic machine guns. Seriously, what do they think this is going to do?

madmatt · 08-17-2009, 09:02 PM

I guess I also just dont understand why people are willing to go through so much. I understand the money aspect, but good lord, you have the Federal Government knocking on your door, over what? A CAR.

Everyone has something I suppose...

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08-17-2009, 01:18 PM	#2
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GTZ SupraForums Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ventura, CA Age: 24 Posts: 138	sounds like a nigerian scam to get you to surrender your car to some er...nigerian.

08-17-2009, 01:31 PM	#4
mignuts Aiding and Abedding Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 132	This is only the beginning. Not sure if the few dozen Kaizo owners will have much ammunition against the Feds. Can't say I didn't see this coming though.

08-17-2009, 01:36 PM	#5
Darkman6909 SupraForums Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Houston texas Age: 17 Posts: 468	Id wait the 60 days to see if its real i doubt it

08-17-2009, 02:25 PM	#6
Toph Subi Love Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: 4-1-3 Posts: 522	^^^ You're an idiot. This is one time where tryin to be a hard ass is definitely going to backfire.

08-17-2009, 02:55 PM	#7
TrueSlideXL Weapon of Mass Affection Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manhattan Posts: 3,626	Talk about a overallocation of government resources. This matter should have been solved years ago. The Department of Justice should have made a concrete set of guidelines too. Instead a decision has been made to take a car away. Of course that is in lieu of revising existing guidelines and enforcing them in a way that fixes their own loopholes.

08-17-2009, 03:52 PM	#8
koulee Ludicrous speed! GO! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fresno, California Age: 31 Posts: 779	Ivy Wang! I say its a scam. If you were gonna get a letter it would be from transportation/motor vehicles, not the Department of Justice.

08-17-2009, 03:54 PM	#9
TrueSlideXL Weapon of Mass Affection Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manhattan Posts: 3,626	Customs might be just as likely too.

08-17-2009, 04:51 PM	#11
Mr. Wob Wobbiest: Three Laws Safe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Convicted Sex Offender Age: 95 Posts: 4,498	I would just sell it to the Canadians and cut my losses. I wonder how it would fair if you stated the car was for track use only and not used on public roads.

08-17-2009, 05:07 PM	#13
TrueSlideXL Weapon of Mass Affection Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manhattan Posts: 3,626	Like I said, they need to enforce what is written instead of dancing around the issue. Kaizo may have thought they were clever, but the law should have been enforced long ago. I would say that is definitely a loophole just not in the most literal sense.

08-17-2009, 05:22 PM	#14
thatoneguy247 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 91	are the kaizo skylines sent over as kit cars or actual registered vehicles? If they're just parts, I don't think customs can make you forfeit it. The worst that they can do with it is invalidate your registration so it isn't considered a road going vehicle anymore.

08-17-2009, 06:42 PM	#17
gatoradevenom TANGO SUCKA Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCal/Sarajevo Age: 19 Posts: 628	I just love how my tax dollars are being used.

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PhoeniXDownVII Passion Driven Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Orange County, New York Age: 26 Posts: 1,299	Wow, all of this crazy legality crap to drive an ugly import. Okay, not ugly, but we have much prettier alternatives....you know...Toyota made one..I forget the name...

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JayWhy Keeping it 100 since '86 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Courtside, Staples Center Age: 23 Posts: 612	The war on Skylines=The war on drugs They can take away EVERY Skyline in the US and it still won't do shit. Someone, somewhere (especially where I live,FL,etc....) will figure out a way to bring one in. It's a car....not a crate full of bombs or fully automatic machine guns. Seriously, what do they think this is going to do?

08-17-2009, 09:02 PM	#25
madmatt SupraForums Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SC Posts: 283	I guess I also just dont understand why people are willing to go through so much. I understand the money aspect, but good lord, you have the Federal Government knocking on your door, over what? A CAR. Everyone has something I suppose...