Which MKIV would you get, if you were starting all over?

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  • LHD TT 6-spd hardtop; to hell with the premium before race wars

    41 37.96%
  • LHD TT 6-spd sport roof; not a $170k one but you know, a normal one.

    33 30.56%
  • LHD TT 6-spd unicorn with zero miles and flawless everything even if you have to sell a kidney

    10 9.26%
  • LHD TT auto -> MT conversion

    7 6.48%
  • LHD NA sport roof - swap it all

    3 2.78%
  • LHD NA hardtop - swap it all

    6 5.56%
  • RHD NA (hardtop) - swap it all over

    0 0%
  • RHD TT auto w/MT conversion

    0 0%
  • RHD TT 6-spd - JDM AS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

    6 5.56%
  • Buy a clean MK3, JZ swap it, and spend the rest on strippers and booze

    4 3.70%
  • Put a 2JZ in some other chassis and spend the rest on liquor and whores

    5 4.63%
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    Which MKIV would you get, if you were starting all over?

    I've been wrestling with some options and I figured it'd be a good discussion prompt.

    Say you were starting all over from scratch - what MKIV would you buy? And why? Would potential future value/appreciation be part of your decision, or no?

    Don't just vote - post and explain your choice and elaborate on it a bit. Would you leave it BPU? Go single but stay on a stock block? Still go ham and build a ~1200hp beast?
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    Hard top 6 Speed, keep it BPU or possibly small single(keep long block 100% stock). The less I do to it the better for drive ability sake. I don’t care about value, I care about driving and enjoying the car as intended. My low mile one owner 1992 300ZX TT is pure enjoyment at 99% stock(just Stillen brakes). I grin ear to ear every time I drive it! I just wish I could finish building my custom corsa exhaust for it because I do want a nice growl. It’s my original white TT 6 Speed Supra was the same way as I throughly enjoyed it the way it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey James View Post
    Hard top 6 Speed, keep it BPU or possibly small single(keep long block 100% stock). The less I do to it the better for drive ability sake. I don’t care about value, I care about driving and enjoying the car as intended....
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    I agree with Casey. it would be ideal to have both a nice BPU car AND a built-to-the-hilt APU car, but if I were starting from nothing, knowing what I know today, AND I could have only 1, the goal would be to end up with a LHD TT 6-spd HT.

    now whether you get there by buying an oem original or a LHD NA HT and having it swapped and partially restored in the process is a bit more involved discussion due to so many variables including market dynamics and how much work one can do themselves. a decent 100kmi oem LHD TT HT 6-spd will likely cost you around $50k. a decent LHD NA HT will likely cost around $20k. for an additional $30k, you could probably do a swap and a pretty decent restoration (especially if you're doing some of the work yourself), and end up with a car that's probably nicer than the oem original car you could buy for the same money.
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    Hindsight says buy an MSB HT 6 spd due to current market conditions, but personal preference is a 1995 Alpine Silver HT 6 spd.
    Edit: like my RR Targa I'd single it but keep the body & interior stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wreckless View Post
    I've been wrestling with some options and I figured it'd be a good discussion prompt.

    Say you were starting all over from scratch - what MKIV would you buy? And why? Would potential future value/appreciation be part of your decision, or no?

    Don't just vote - post and explain your choice and elaborate on it a bit. Would you leave it BPU? Go single but stay on a stock block? Still go ham and build a ~1200hp beast?
    Personally if I were to start over, I would be looking for a LHD TT 6MT hardtop. Being a USDM TT hardtop would mean it'll be a 93-95 so it would be coming with most of the good stuff, OBD1, the stiffest chassis for the most all around performance potential, lighter weight, and one area of less components to potentially fail. Being an all original car would also mean all of the small components that exists in the TT would be done by the factory.

    My preferred color preference would be Black, Ren Red, and MSB. It would have to have OG paint with correctable paint depth, and I'll consider all colors so long as the car is a clean example, since all of the colors offered by Toyota have proven itself beautiful in well maintained examples, even in my least favorite color. On another note, I wouldn't pass on a nice RHD either, as I'd rather not deal with having to hunt down critical discontinued parts, even if the car was LHD.

    As far as the value factor, I'd make sure the car checks off what I'd like first, and then place the value second. Clean examples of stock/well built cars will both go up in value anyway, and if your buying this car to keep, then ultimately it needs to be a car with 100% no regrets investment to you. If I were able to afford to add a second Mkiv to my stable, then this one would be BPU as they are nice cruisers as well. If it's my only Mkiv, then it'll be an all-out build lol.
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    Life's too short. Traveling, studying, and experiencing new things have been my objectives vs owning different cars. I'd rather have as much fun as possible rather than worrying about the paint or scratching wheels. I drive what I drive for those reasons.

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    I'm going to have to think about this before I even vote.


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    its funny you started this thread because ive been kicking around selling/trading my usdm hardtop mkiv roller and getting back into a rhd supra.

    i started with a 93 jdm n/a 5 speed hardtop with dreams of the big single gte 6 speed swap, but ended up trading if for 93 fully built 5 speed widebody rx7 (which i still have).

    really enjoyed driving a rhd and not for all the "y0 jdm" bs...it truly was a blast to drive and i miss it sorely
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    I voted for LHD NA Hardtop.

    Even though I have a cleaner example now, I do regret selling my old LHD NA Hardtop simply because the amount of work I've put into this current TT auto targa is equally what's required to "swap it all" in a NA hardtop, except I don't have a hardtop now. I've taken the targa off once, purely by my wife's suggestion since we were cruising around and headed to the casino. Maybe I need to learn to enjoy the targa off more, I did own a miata in high school and top down is fun but I like my privacy these days lol. I don't have any rattles/squeaks yet, hopefully it stays that way. I will say having the option is nice though!

    I wouldn't take into account future values/appreciation. I really appreciate seeing the unicorns/rare combinations out there in pristine form, but I personally wouldn't ever fork over the coin for one. Cars aren't an investment to me, I love building them, driving them, enjoying them and creating experiences with them. If the values go up, cool, that's just icing on the cake, but just having something sitting in the garage most it's life as a talking/bragging point is very boring to me. I'm very attached to my current car, though i'll admit, if someone offered me an absurd amount of money for mine, it would be tough to sell it because of what I've been through with it but I think ultimately I would, just to turn around and buy another average priced one and build it all over again lol.

    Jeff, I haven't hung out with you an ounce of what I should have since I've been here over 4 years now, but after meeting you in person and chatting in your garage it's very clear to me that you long to turn wrenches, I just can't picture you in a sub 20k miles gem in 100% stock form! As much of a pain in the ass a complete build can be at times just tackling it all myself, I wouldn't have it any other way, the building is what I enjoy. I'm close but still not done with mine, and so far my only regrets would probably be going built block and not holding out for a hardtop, but it doesn't weigh heavy on my mind since I have a spare stock block/head and this chassis is very clean minus a few dings and dents here and there. I do feel I went a bit too far with this build, but I decided to stop being stupid and changing my mind with it before it's done, and just getting it done! If I end up not liking this turbo choice and gobs of power, I'll simply size down the turbo and call it good.

    If I were to do it all over again, definitely LHD NA Hardtop, swap everything to TT 6 speed and simple single turbo setup somewhere between 700-800whp. Reasons would be mainly cost is a lot lower than finding a TT 6spd Hardtop, and after all said and done, it would be the same car minus being all original (which I can personally care less about, as long as the work done is quality or to your standard), and it would be sorted out to your level of detail/comfort/goals for the car. Reason for the lower power goal compared to what I'm building, I feel the simplicity of a stock block and modest power levels might be more enjoyable for just driving around to enjoy it, but I'll soon find out for myself if that holds true for me.

    EDIT: I didn't know you were still thinking of finding a MKIV, but since I do I'll keep my eyes peeled as always for you.

    -Rich
    Last edited by Kidney; 03-30-2019 at 10:43 PM.

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    My first Supra that I got back in around 2010 was a 1997 Black Twin Turbo 6 speed with fairly low miles, 48K to be exact when I got. Unfortunately, that car was involved in 2 minor front end collisions and had it's flaws. I was constantly striving to make it perfect, buying new oem parts and replacing things here and there (I have a bad case of OCD). Eventually, I ended up selling that car to look for a cleaner example. This was the summer of 2015. By July 2016, I have found the one. It was a 1994 Renaissance Red TT 6MT, fully stock, no stories of any kind, with only 23K on the ODO. The hunt was over! Or so I thought...

    Long story short, I ended up selling that car 2 years later, in the summer of 2018. Why may you ask? I couldn't bring myself to enjoy that car. I finally got what I wanted all this time, but realized it isn't for me. I felt bad racking up the miles. I was constantly worried about someone rear ending me or something that is out of my control. Add in the fact that more and more parts are getting discontinued, I ultimately decided to sell the car.

    To this day, I do not regret selling the Red one, but I DO REGRET selling the Black one. That car to me now, is perfect. Something I could enjoy without worrying too much. I have gotten myself a 2018 GT-R Premium to fill the void for now and absolutely love it, but I do still frequent SF from time to time. My heart is with the MKIV, but my mind is now on the GT-R.

    I am still browsing for MKIV's almost daily, hoping that one appears within a certain set budget and criteria. It seems that the prices have risen a lot within last year or two, and the search gets harder and harder. Ideally, I would love another TT 6MT that isn't too low miles, but also isn't too high either, probably in the range of 50K-100K miles, All Vins, and either Stock-BPU-Well Built single in that preference.

    Long gone are the days of finding these cars for a "steal".
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    Hardtop for sure.

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    I vote for 93-95 NA , I have 95 NA did single conversion to GTE and v160, stock block with HKS 264 cams . That was 4 years a go, like Craig have mentioned , you buy 20k na and swap was 20-25K , Many guys made a comments that I should sell Na and buy TT with mods. For me was hard to deal with a lot of hack jobs . Many guys (no pointing the fingers )building the supra by using cheep and unreliable parts, god know what they did to the car . when you get na you control what parts and how do you want your car to be . that is when you are planing to drive your car and enjoy,
    if you planing to keep it for your grandchild as investment then tt 6 sp with low milage but that we know is north of 100K and park in garage .
    personally I love to drive my baby , when I do the stress go out and I fell very relax .

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    If it were a possibility, I'd have a 97TT 6 speed hardtop. BPU, I don't mind the OBD2 at all and I prefer the lights model year etc. But i would settle for the targa.

    Otherwise I would go for a 95 hardtop 6 speed with upgraded twins on Haltech or Pro Efi. Probably higher compression motor, upgraded fuel system and cams. Lowered and later model year lights all around. but everything else stock. I just want it to have the flex fuel tune and modern turbos. The rest is gravy on top.

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    another thing i would love to do a 2jzgte 6 speed swap on my x-runner.

    at one point i thought about using the 6 speed out of the x-runner and putting it in my old jdm supra several years back, but i don't think it would hold too much power.

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    I want my 94 JDM NA Aero Roof back.

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    Euro TT Auto. 6spd swap that bitch and let all the Supra lovers drool at the options they cant have.
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    I voted "LHD TT 6-spd sport roof; not a $170k one but you know, a normal one."

    I chose this because its practical in the grand scheme of things. I have no desire (or budget honestly) to own a car that is too collectible like a low mile HT 6 speed or anything like that. I would much rather have something that I can enjoy and drive versus sit in the garage and rarely be taken out. To me, that's not a satisfying ownership; that's more-so preserving it for the next owner. Which is totally fine if that's what brings the owner enjoyment. This also means that I don’t have to stress too much when I modify the car or get a rock chip here and there from driving it. Having the 6 speed already in the car is nice as I can avoid the headaches of sourcing a V-160 and all parts related.

    Now if I really wanted a hardtop for the sake of the car being stiffer and not having a targa-creek squeak, I would probably go NA and swap it over.

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    You left an option out.
    I would still get the auto - and I am keeping mine as long as I live.
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    As someone that recently got an MK4 supra. I would 100 percent have gone LHD TT Auto -> Manual swap. I got my RHD TT 6speed manual about 6 months ago. Its amazing! But my main issue with it is its almost too nice. It only has 67k original miles on it (Just finished going BPU). It being RHD doesn't really bother me at all, but if I could go back a LHD auto, and swapping it to a Manual would probably have been better for me. So I could do guilt free miles. But it looks like RHD cars are still going up, so not sure if I will go single on this car or get a LHD auto before I go crazy building a car. I really don't want to do it twice. Luckily I am still early enough to change my path. We will see in the next few years, but in the mean time. I will enjoy my V160 while I can!

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    Also as a newer MK4 Supra owner I'd go with... surprise surprise... the Hardtop 6speed TT. The USDM having VIN codes and with carfax, autocheck, and other ways to look into a cars history, it will most likely be a safer buy (investment and lemon-wise).

    I bought a LHD turbo 6 speed targa, and other than anthracite and RSP I'm perfectly fine with my super white over black leather.

    Single turbo, BPU and flex fuel would be plenty fun while keeping the ability to return to stock extremely easy would be my preference.

    If cost is a concern I'd go with the turbo auto targa. Still a 2jzgte and plenty of manual options other than the costly v160 conversion. Either way, I think a turbo model is a must and the 6speed vs auto is more of a budget question.

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    Thank you everyone for your input! I wish I could take the time immediately to respond to everyone individually, but that will have to wait until this evening.

    To those of you that would seek out a factory USDM TT 6-spd hardtop; Would you do the same if you had a complete USDM 2JZ-GTE + V160 driveline in your garage, ready to swap into a LHD NA?

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    I've been thinking about the post title. I responded as if you asked what I'd do if I could go back in time, would I buy the same car? If that's the question my answer stands. If the question is starting all over today I'm not 100% sure what I'd do. The idea of a correct USDM 2JZ-GTE + V160 driveline swap into a clean HA Hardtop has a lot of appeal as a driver you'd wouldn't so bad about putting miles on.

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    I've been thinking about the post title. I responded as if you asked what I'd do if I could go back in time, would I buy the same car? If that's the question my answer stands. If the question is starting all over today I'm not 100% sure what I'd do. The idea of a correct USDM 2JZ-GTE + V160 driveline swap into a clean HA Hardtop has a lot of appeal as a driver you'd wouldn't feel so bad about putting miles on.

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    If I had the money, for sure a LHD T 6 speed HT. If I was trying to get into a 6 speed Supra now, I'd most likely just do a swap from an NA car. Especially if I had a good source to get most of the parts from for a fair price. I literally got my auto RSP by accident. At first I found a black 6 speed, TT, HT, for $30k in Chicago. We bought the plane tickets to go pick it up and the dealer calls us the next morning and says, "Oh we just sold it this morning, but we might have something else for you." We said fuck these guys and looked for something else. Stumbled upon the RSP. I thought that it said it was a 6 speed in the ad, but I think I was just so tired of looking that I saw it was a good price we'll take it. When my Mom showed to pick it up (I was still in school) she told me it was actually an auto. At that point I was just like screw it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wreckless View Post
    Thank you everyone for your input! I wish I could take the time immediately to respond to everyone individually, but that will have to wait until this evening.

    To those of you that would seek out a factory USDM TT 6-spd hardtop; Would you do the same if you had a complete USDM 2JZ-GTE + V160 driveline in your garage, ready to swap into a LHD NA?
    I voted LHD HT TT 6spd and I did exactly that my current Supra started as a bone stock NA 5spd HT that I did GTE 6spd swap with V160 that I had in garage. I honestly would try to have both an original 6spd TT HT left mostly stock and a heavily modified 6spd swapped NA HT to truly enjoy.
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