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    I wanted to get a photo of the front and rear together.




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    Just bought another set after my first set was lost with USPS.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/121788412908

    $136.00 - Boom! Time for winter upgrade.
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    Prices are going up on these. I paid $110 shipped and others before me have paid less than $100.

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    yeah i got mine when the thread was first posted on sm for like 76 shipped i think it was. what pads did you go with and how do you like them? i have porterfield rs4 on mine and they stop awesome even when hot but they DUMP dust like crazy. also squeak often at low speeds like when coming to a stop under 10mph. was thinking of getting a set to swap in when not racing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    Prices are going up on these. I paid $110 shipped and others before me have paid less than $100.
    yup! i remember paying something like $76.00 shipped couple of months back.

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    great write up i have to say. Now i know the rear setup up has been out there for a long time now but the Benz setup where did you hear about the benz setup did you come up with it on your own or just what you have seen only. how do you like the stopping on this setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gringosupra View Post
    great write up i have to say. Now i know the rear setup up has been out there for a long time now but the Benz setup where did you hear about the benz setup did you come up with it on your own or just what you have seen only. how do you like the stopping on this setup?
    I don't want to take credit for any of that info. 90% of its been posted before on SM. The thread is 30+ pages. The evo rear brake setup is a few years old but the MB setup is from this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    I don't want to take credit for any of that info. 90% of its been posted before on SM. The thread is 30+ pages. The evo rear brake setup is a few years old but the MB setup is from this year.
    no problem i was just asking cause nobody gives credit to the guy who started the benz setup even on facebook or sm i know the guy who started it but glad to see this setup helping out alot of supra members

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fonz87 View Post
    Just bought another set after my first set was lost with USPS.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/121788412908

    $136.00 - Boom! Time for winter upgrade.
    I paid $119 for mine a few weeks ago. Are you doing the evo/ sti rears too? I'm contemplating on doing them too, but idk about machining the rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialK View Post
    I paid $119 for mine a few weeks ago. Are you doing the evo/ sti rears too? I'm contemplating on doing them too, but idk about machining the rotors.
    No, I'm gonna stick with the MB fronts and probably gonna do the TT rears unless I find cheap EVO Rears.

    survyor2 - How is the MB Brakes treating you so far from Stock? I'm not looking to do any road racing and etc, just need something that will stop me from boost pulls here and there and an upgrade from Stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black89t View Post
    also squeak often at low speeds like when coming to a stop under 10mph.
    also have this same problem?? dont know why. Its worse in the morning when first braking, but goes away after some heat is put in. rotors and brakes were from autozone, and the pads are ceramic. maybe have the rotors turned and croshatched?

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    I just found this and it's an interesting read, relating to your guys' debate:

    http://www.clublexus.com/forums/susp...iscussion.html

    You guys should be able to calc. the front to rear bias with the set-up now. Also makes it sound like the kit sethron71 is selling for the ls400 caliper 4 pot would be worth the extra cost. (much larger size in general 18" req.?)

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    Well this is the big thing

    Quote Originally Posted by Link In Previous Post
    I hope you knew the tires are what's actually stopping your vehicle, not your brakes. More brake torque doesn't necessary mean shorter stopping distance. If you over power the adhesion limit of your tires(lock up, or constant ABS pulse engagement), chances are you are not stopping any faster or with shorter distance.
    Moving to bigger brakes isnt so much for having "Stronger" brakes. Its not even really for having more braking force or less pedal effort. Bigger brakes can handle more heat for longer periods of time because the pads/rotors are larger and have more material to dissipate the heat.

    A 2 or 4 piston caliper is more desirable then a single piston because it will apply a more even pressure to the pad witch results in more consistent braking over a long period of time.

    Single piston calipers concentrate all the force on the center of the pad. This can warp the pad or cause inconsistent contact or pressure across the surface of both the pad and rotor.

    The stock brakes can easily lock up the tires at virtually any speed. But take your car up to 100 or so MPH and slow it down in a hurry once or twice with the stock brakes and it should be more then enough to inspire a loss in confidence in the stock rotors.

    Brakes convert kinetic energy of the vehicles motion into heat. The heavier and faster the vehicle moves, the more kinetic energy it is carrying.

    (Weight X Speed^2)/2 is the formula for kinetic energy.

    In order to bring the 3600lb (1633KG) vehicle from 100MPH (44.7Meters/Sec) to 0Mph, 1,631,732 Joules of energy needs to be dissipated. Its dissipated in the form of heat. Joules converts to Watts (heat) using a time period.

    The air hitting the front of the car dissipates some, friction in the wheel bearings and drivetrain dissipates some, but the remaining 99% is dissipated by the brake pads and rotors.

    The quicker your speed is brought from 100 to 0, the quicker that energy needs to be dissipated resulting in more heat. So if you take a minute to slow down from 100MPH, 1,631,732 joules of energy over 60 seconds is equlvelant to 27,195.5 Watts of heat. If you quickly slow down in 10 seconds, that same energy results in 163,173.2 Watts of heat.

    The stock rotors that are thin and small can only handle so much heat before distorting giving the "shimmy" in the steering wheel. Thicker, larger diameter rotors provide more material for the heat to be dissipated by.

    I posted a comparison of size between the stock rotors and Cobra rotors in my build thread here. Its a pretty impressive difference.

    At least this is the reason i upgraded. The stock brakes actually stopped the car just fine, they just felt like shit doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beals View Post
    I just found this and it's an interesting read, relating to your guys' debate:

    http://www.clublexus.com/forums/susp...iscussion.html

    You guys should be able to calc. the front to rear bias with the set-up now. Also makes it sound like the kit sethron71 is selling for the ls400 caliper 4 pot would be worth the extra cost. (much larger size in general 18" req.?)
    Pretty sure he's not making those kits for the mk3 anymore.

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    Anyone with the MB brakes have SS lines connected to the MB brakes or Stock lines?

    Also hear the 1986 Corolla GTS Brake Lines works really well with the MB brakes, can anyone confirm?

    Thanks
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    I'm using SS lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fonz87 View Post
    Pretty sure he's not making those kits for the mk3 anymore.
    I think I found someone who can make it custom for me, they did my turbo's and have access to a machine shop and were producing their own kit before sethron

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    Anyone ever find alternatives to the Evo rear calipers? They are hard to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enraged View Post
    Anyone ever find alternatives to the Evo rear calipers? They are hard to find.
    mk4 TT Rear brakes, should be bolt on.

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    Found a set of Evo calipers, thanks.

    I was reading a bit on the front upgrade, and it looks like Stoptech makes a MB upgrade 355mm BBK (Part number 83-563-4700-51) that fits S350 and S65 AMG (2006), S430 and S500 (2000-06), S500 Guard (2000-01), S55 AMG (2001-02, 2004-06), S55 AMG Kompressor (2003), S600 (2001-06).
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    subbd for rear brakes

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    012 R-Class 5 x 112mm High Positive Offse

    How did you guys use these on our cars? we are 114.3

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    The holes for the lug studs are larger diameter than the Toyota studs. The extra clearance allows the rotors to slip over the existing studs, without changing the bolt pattern.
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    So I bought the exact parts in the thread, I had to do some grinding on the calipers just to get them to go over the rotor, now they are in as far as it will go and the caliper doesn't line up and bolt on... anyone ran into this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMaria89 View Post
    So I bought the exact parts in the thread, I had to do some grinding on the calipers just to get them to go over the rotor, now they are in as far as it will go and the caliper doesn't line up and bolt on... anyone ran into this??
    Yes, they are the wrong calipers, they only take a 28mm disc and not the 32 mm r series. I got a pair but 1 was wrong and I had the same problem, had to take it back and swap it

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