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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin2Turbo View Post
    yea you definitely did not explain yourself very well

    Both manufacturers have a hat thickness of around 7mm
    I figured as much when I saw your response . I think what I will do is order my rotors and measure the rotor hat thickness before ordering the hub rings. Just sucks because shipping to Canada takes forever!


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    Quote Originally Posted by YYCSupra View Post
    I figured as much when I saw your response . I think what I will do is order my rotors and measure the rotor hat thickness before ordering the hub rings. Just sucks because shipping to Canada takes forever!


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    If it helps, I didnt just pull that 7mm number out of no where. I have E55, E63 and supra rotors sitting next to me. They all measured out right around 7mm.

    But measuring once you get yours will be the most accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin2Turbo View Post
    If it helps, I didnt just pull that 7mm number out of no where. I have E55, E63 and supra rotors sitting next to me. They all measured out right around 7mm.

    But measuring once you get yours will be the most accurate.
    I got a reply from the eBay seller and the length of the hub ring is about 8mm. I’ll request a custom thickness once I get my rotors. I’m going to get some power stop rotors off of rockauto.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sixpack View Post
    Sidewinder,

    As I stated, larger is less clamping force PER POUND of PEDAL PRESSURE.
    All a larger master will do is increase speed.
    If you have to rely on more pressure on the pedal, that isn't an increase in clamping force when comparing one system to another.

    Simple math (hydraulic formula) :
    pounds (foot pressure) times area (master cyl bore) = pressure exerted on system.

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    Used these, and probably some other to realize that even with 13"/12" front/rear rotors & Z32 calipers, on a 3400 lb car, that there was no way in hell to have good brakes (able to pull 1G) without a power brake booster.
    Refference this to the new GT-R, which from the factory can pull close to 1.25G off the showroom floor.

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    I am still in the process of piecing a brake kit together and was playing around with this brake bias calculator. Does anyone know if the goal is to stay as close to stock as possible when upgrading or if there is a better ratio to shot for?

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    survyor2 I got the the 2 front rotors that were o the link and the 2 front 2004 s500 calipersyet they are not fitting..? spent 110 for these hope im doing something wrong here :/

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    survyor2 I got the the 2 front rotors that were o the link and the 2 front 2004 s500 calipers yet they are not fitting..? spent 110 for these hope im doing something wrong here :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    I wanted to share my brake upgrade. None of this information is brand new and can be found on another forum if you want to go threw over 70 pages of info. I wanted to make a one post with all the information needed. I recommend upgrading the front and rears together to keep a balance in the braking system.

    FRONT BRAKES:

    Calipers: 2 used Mercedes-Benz W220 front calipers
    2000-2006 S430/S500
    both long and short mounting tabs work

    Pads: Any brand for MB W220 front calipers

    Bolts: 4 Mercedes-Benz part#1234210271
    these bolts fit the thread of the MB calipers
    the smaller diameter clears the MK3 mounts

    Rotors: 2012 Mercedes-Benz R350 front rotors
    these are 13-inch diameter

    Washers: 3mm thick worth of washers x 4

    Hub rings: 67.1mm to 60.1mm aluminum rings
    stay away from the plastic ones

    Dust shield: don't cut this! avoid sharp edges and a dangerous situation. the shield can easily be bent backwards with a hammer. if it still rubs the rotor after installation, use a large screwdriver to pry it away from the rotor.

    Paint: I hit the caliper with a rotating wire brush drill attachment, then 100 grit sandpaper and brake cleaner. I used orange and black engine paints. I removed the bolts 2 at a time to paint them separately.

    Brake fittings: threads match, use new copper washers, I am using a previously installed SS line kit

    Wheels: 17-inch+, i have 18-inch

    Piston comparison: 1x60mm MK3 piston vs 2x44mm & 2x40mm MB pistons

    Installation: remove wheel, loosen brake line fitting, remove rear caliper bolts, remove caliper, remove rotor, bend dust cover, install hub ring, install rotor, install loaded caliper using new bolts, 3mm washers goes between the MK3 bracket and the MB caliper, transfer brake line fittings with new copper washers, bleed brakes, install wheel

    Total cost: $374. I bought everything on Ebay except the paint.

    REAR BRAKES:

    Calipers: 2 used 2003-2005 Mitsubishi Evo 8 rear calipers

    Pads: Any brand for Evo 8 rear calipers

    Bolts: 4 M10-1.5X40mm. $1.06 each at Home Depot.
    these bolts fit the thread of the Evo 8 calipers

    Rotors: 2005-2007 Suburu WRX STI rear rotors

    Washers: 4 2mm thick M10 washers.

    Hub: STI hubs are about 58mm. Take the rotor to the machine shop and bore the hubs out to 60.2mm. $64 labor

    Dust shield: don't cut this! avoid sharp edges and a dangerous situation. the shield can easily be bent backwards with a hammer. if it still rubs the rotor after installation, use a large screwdriver to pry it away from the rotor.

    Paint: I hit the caliper with a rotating wire brush drill attachment, then 100 grit sandpaper and brake cleaner. I used orange engine paint.

    Brake fittings: threads do not match. my understanding is that one fitting is flared and the other is inverted flared. They appear to fit at first but I had a leak. I used the stock evo banjo bolts and added a banjo fitting to my brake lines.

    Wheels: 17-inch+, i have 18-inch

    Piston comparison: 1x38mm MK3 piston vs 2x40mm Evo 8 pistons

    Ebrake: no changes or adjustments, works 100%

    Installation: remove wheel, loosen brake line fitting, remove rear caliper bolts, remove caliper, remove rotor, bend dust cover, install rotor, transfer brake line fittings, install loaded caliper using new bolts, one 2mm washer goes between the MK3 bracket and the MB caliper, bleed brakes, install wheel

    Total cost: $446. I bought everything on Ebay except the paint and bolts. The bolts are from Home Depot.

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    REAR PHOTOS:











    survyor2 I got the the 2 front rotors that were o the link and the 2 front 2004 s500 calipers yet they are not fitting..? spent 110 for these hope im doing something wrong here :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0ungnazerian View Post
    survyor2 I got the the 2 front rotors that were o the link and the 2 front 2004 s500 calipers yet they are not fitting..? spent 110 for these hope im doing something wrong here :/
    Can you provide a link to what you bought. Maybe post a photo. How are they not fitting?

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    Thanks for sharing your information survyor2. Can I ask what type of rear caliper banjo fitting were you using to get the factory mk3 SS brake line to work? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0ungnazerian View Post
    survyor2 I got the the 2 front rotors that were o the link and the 2 front 2004 s500 calipers yet they are not fitting..? spent 110 for these hope im doing something wrong here :/
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-2003-M...72.m2749.l2649

    Also i cant see your pics why so??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0ungnazerian View Post
    Those calipers look correct. What rotors did you get? Exact what about them does not fit?

    Photobucket no longer lets me share my photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plaaya69 View Post
    Thanks for sharing your information survyor2. Can I ask what type of rear caliper banjo fitting were you using to get the factory mk3 SS brake line to work? Thanks.
    That's a good question. My how-to does not cover the brake line fittings. I originally thought the stock lines would fit but they did not. I took my lines and calipers for the rears to a hose shop and they added the correct fittings.

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    Bolt on 4-Piston front MB brakes &amp; 2-Piston rear Evo brakes

    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    Those calipers look correct. What rotors did you get? Exact what about them does not fit?

    Photobucket no longer lets me share my photos.
    Those are not the correct calipers. Do not buy those, I learned the hard way. You want the bolt ears to not be connected. Those are for 2003-2006.

    Here is a list of vehicles and years they can specifically be grabbed from:

    CL500 2000-2002
    CL55 AMG 2001-2002
    CL600 2001-2002
    S430 2000-2002
    S500 2000-2002
    S55 AMG 2001-2002
    S600 2001-2002




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    Going to add to this post to make it simple. Mainly because lots of this post is harder and harder to comb through.

    What works:

    • Caliper from Mercedes Benz cars:
    -CL500 2000-2002
    -CL55 AMG 2001-2002
    -CL600 2001-2002
    -S430 2000-2002
    -S500 2000-2002
    -S55 AMG 2001-2002
    -S600 2001-2002
    All the same part number via rock Auto.

    •Rotor
    -2003-2007 Nissan 350z Track/Touring edition rotors. You want these rotors to have a 324.00mm diameter.

    Do not use S500 rotors, the hats are way too deep. Ask me how I know also.

    •Hubcentric ring
    68.0 to 60.1mm ring adaptor.

    •Hardware
    -M12x1.50 high grade bolts 40mm in length
    - 9mm worth of spacers

    •Hose:
    - For hose I ended up purchasing a Mercedes Benz hose and it threaded right into the hardline on bolted to the chassis. This hose can come from any of these models:

    CLS500 2006
    CLS55 AMG 2006
    CLS550 2007-2011
    CLS63 AMG 2007-2011
    E320 2003-2009
    E350 2006-2009
    E500 2003-2006
    E55 AMG2 003-2006
    E550 2007-2009
    E63 AMG 2007-2009
    S350 2006
    S430 2000-2006
    S500 2000-2006
    S55 AMG 2001-2006
    S600 2001-2006
    S65 AMG 2006

    It’s a lot simpler than you’d think. Just don’t buy the wrong items. Use a 17+ inch wheel and have fun.




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    I just double checked since I can't see my photos either. The bolt ears on mine ARE connected just like youngnazerian post. I believe both styles work. I'm not sure what the problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    I just double checked since I can't see my photos either. The bolt ears on mine ARE connected just like youngnazerian post. I believe both styles work. I'm not sure what the problem is.
    I originally tried with a set of 2006 calipers with the connected ear, holes did not line up. Had to double check and go with the open ears from a 2000-2002


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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    I just double checked since I can't see my photos either. The bolt ears on mine ARE connected just like youngnazerian post. I believe both styles work. I'm not sure what the problem is.
    i bought the rotors you posted that was on amazon...

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    I got pics you got Instagram... the forum wont let post my pictures

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    Best place to get ring adapters in that size?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MK3TargaJames View Post
    Going to add to this post to make it simple. Mainly because lots of this post is harder and harder to comb through.

    What works:

    • Caliper from Mercedes Benz cars:
    -CL500 2000-2002
    -CL55 AMG 2001-2002
    -CL600 2001-2002
    -S430 2000-2002
    -S500 2000-2002
    -S55 AMG 2001-2002
    -S600 2001-2002
    All the same part number via rock Auto.

    •Rotor
    -2003-2007 Nissan 350z Track/Touring edition rotors. You want these rotors to have a 324.00mm diameter.

    Do not use S500 rotors, the hats are way too deep. Ask me how I know also.

    •Hubcentric ring
    68.0 to 60.1mm ring adaptor.

    •Hardware
    -M12x1.50 high grade bolts 40mm in length
    - 9mm worth of spacers

    •Hose:
    - For hose I ended up purchasing a Mercedes Benz hose and it threaded right into the hardline on bolted to the chassis. This hose can come from any of these models:

    CLS500 2006
    CLS55 AMG 2006
    CLS550 2007-2011
    CLS63 AMG 2007-2011
    E320 2003-2009
    E350 2006-2009
    E500 2003-2006
    E55 AMG2 003-2006
    E550 2007-2009
    E63 AMG 2007-2009
    S350 2006
    S430 2000-2006
    S500 2000-2006
    S55 AMG 2001-2006
    S600 2001-2006
    S65 AMG 2006

    It’s a lot simpler than you’d think. Just don’t buy the wrong items. Use a 17+ inch wheel and have fun.




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    Survyor2 what exact calipers did you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0ungnazerian View Post
    Survyor2 what exact calipers did you get?
    He listed the make model and year above

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    Quote Originally Posted by survyor2 View Post
    I just double checked since I can't see my photos either. The bolt ears on mine ARE connected just like youngnazerian post. I believe both styles work. I'm not sure what the problem is.
    ?? Need help...Dont want to buy more stuff and lose $$$

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    I too have the shot version and have been told by others that those too work. Can someone in here with the short version validate if ti worked for them?

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    Bump ^^ anyone? I have the newer ones without the dog ears can someone confirm 100% they won't work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzA View Post
    Bump ^^ anyone? I have the newer ones without the dog ears can someone confirm 100% they won't work?
    why dont you go out and see if they work or not?

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