Krystos laying down the law 8.455@170

ThomsonCharm · Jul 13, 2004

FYRARMS said:
Did you just wake up from a coma? Do you actually think that the nation's best transmission builders have NOT tried every possible solution to the Supra transmission problems? Every part that can be upgraded or modified has been addressed. Unfortunately, there are some hard parts that just plain can not be changed. The transmission was designed for 320hp, not 1320hp. There is only so much you can do.

I can't believe there is so much crabbing about running a GM trans in a Supra. The MKIV chassis and 2JZ engine are what makes the Supra a fantastic competitor. Who really cares what brand of transmission transfers the power to the Toyota IRS?

Funny how Mustang street class cars run GM TH400 and Powerglide transmissions and nobody bitches like some of you ladies. And I can't think of a stronger rivalry between brands as Ford vs. Chevy...

I said OEM transmission not "Supra" transmission. I KNOW the "nations best" have not been doing "everything possible" to solve these problems. Maybe they are doing what they can with SOME Toyota Transmission ie. A340E, with the funds they have but that doesnt mean that EVERY OEM Toyota Tranny is not going to hold the torque. Also dont you find it somewhat hippocritical in saying,"The MKIV chassis and 2JZ engine are what makes the Supra a fantastic competitor. Who really cares what brand of transmission transfers the power to the Toyota IRS?" In otherwords the Front of the car is Toyota we love it for that, the back of the car is Toyota and we love it for that, but the middle of the car *one of the most important parts* is Chevy we no longer care. Being a Toyota Parts Dealer I would think you would be all over this way of thinking.

Also for the response from Nero, if some of the LandCruisers came with powerglides and that would then be considered an OEM transmission then thats a hell of a loophole and I would say run with it. I just think part of the representation in the class should be running with parts you can get from the manufacturer of the motor. IMO it should be run the OEM (this doesnt mean JUST Supra, DSM, Focus parts) Crank, Block, Transmission, and Rear End. From their its open game, and if you want to "modify" these parts to make them stronger/more balanced then go for it.

Jeff, Curt, or Dan. What would a Toyota Tundra 4-speed Auto Tranny go for new from you guys anyway? Whats the transmission "code"? What about the Toyota Tundra 3.92:1 LSD Rear End?

FYRARMS · Jul 13, 2004

ThomsonCharm said:
What would a Toyota Tundra 4-speed Auto Tranny go for new from you guys anyway?

$2362.00 for a Toyota reman, and oopsy, it's also an A340.

FWIW, apart from Nero's old-skool Powerglide-using Landbruisers, the Supra Turbo A340 is the toughest trans Toyota has offered.

Sorry to burst your OEM trans bubble.

onelove · Jul 13, 2004

ThomsonCharm said:
Also for the response from Nero, if some of the LandCruisers came with powerglides and that would then be considered an OEM transmission then thats a hell of a loophole and I would say run with it. I just think part of the representation in the class should be running with parts you can get from the manufacturer of the motor. IMO it should be run the OEM (this doesnt mean JUST Supra, DSM, Focus parts) Crank, Block, Transmission, and Rear End. From their its open game, and if you want to "modify" these parts to make them stronger/more balanced then go for it.

True Story, where do you think all this started from

IT was a loophole that worked quite well. More to come.....

ThomsonCharm · Jul 13, 2004

TitanWes said:
True Story, where do you think all this started from

I didnt know the Tundras were using A340s like the Supras. I also didnt realize the powerglide was offered in the old school Land Cruiser. Since it was I say play on playas, your still reppin our favorite company.

Greg Caloudas · Jul 13, 2004

oh hell yeah, it was the AEM see jason it is always the AEM's fault. I'm going to send you a t-shirt with its always the aem's fault. ask kirk if I can use his beloved logo on it. or is he to busy calling about pricing?

BTW Bottle and I were walking through the vender section at bristol and came up on a supra with your AEM in it, damn did it sound good on start up. I must compliment you on one thing, the AEM really makes the Supra sound its best. reminds me of a 79 Pinto.

NERoGEO
Know anything else that's goign to have a Land Cruiser motor in it?

DsmRacer · Jul 13, 2004

Ball Bearing Talon said:
This entire DSM driver excuse making event is getting old. Maybe some prospective needs to be added to this *street tire class* debate about transmissions. Is the transmission the defining factor of the car its used in.

Is a supra magically not a supra anymore because it does not use the factory gear box? If we broaden that prospective then I guess a dsm is not a dsm if it uses a Garrett turbocharger. Is this really the argument? the use of domestic parts on an imported car? Hell if we use that, argument NO eagle talons should be allowed in import racing.(how fucking stupid is this argument really)

Here is a quick news flash if NHRA allows Toyota to compete in funny car because it has 10 plants state side and is now being considered a domestic car company. Why not ban the supra from Import competition. would that make you DSM Crybabies happy?

This transmission debate is nothing more then fuel for an existing argument if its not the transmission it would be they fact that the car has more displacement.

The transmission argument is just convenient and easy to point to. Until you DSM drivers are ready to unbolt all the domestic parts from your dsm's(basically disassemble the entire car) then the domestic transmission argument is moot.

I have seen it posted that DSM's are making about the same HP as the most powerful supras. its also implied that the limiting factor is the inability to use a better transmission. Well, you are in luck, here is your solution.

Move up to Modified class where you are offered a 1000lb weight advantage and dominate. This would remove all the problems you are crying about. This move will even give you the advantage that AWD gave you 7-10 years ago in import drag racing.

Wait no it wont... then you would cry every time ESP and vinny 10 kick your teeth in. Becuase they have more money. I can see it now"NDRA" can we have a new class where you can only spend $14 to mod your car? thats all us dsm drivers have so we need a new class.

It never ends

Good luck.

:hail: :hail: :hail:

Guest · Jul 13, 2004

So you are saying that somehow the computer forgot how to add?? You do realize that if the computer log shows the output changed, it is because it was being told to....right??? Again, computers only do what they are told, they can't think for themselves.

tell that to your windows PC the next time it crashes. It's probably your own fault, right?

As a programmer with extensive microprogramming experience on all levels, from bitlogic FPGA assembler through high-level languages - I can tell you that your hardware routines and the software that runs on that box has significant problems. A friend of mine who burns chips for ECUs downloaded examined one of your boxes to confirm this. The math is weak and there is a great lack of error-handling routines that one would expect in a real-time engine computer. To claim that a piece of hardware cannot fail is ignorant and stupid. I maintain a server farm of 121 servers, and we regularly replace hard drives, RAM, processors and motherboards. I guess we, and every fortune 500 out there must be extreme idiots, since the parts we're replacing aren't actually broken?

You aren't doing a whole lot to improve your company image. If anything, you're clowning yourself and AEM by taking the stance that the customer is always wrong.

FYRARMS · Jul 13, 2004

Greg Caloudas said:
NERoGEO
Know anything else that's goign to have a Land Cruiser motor in it?

:lol: :lol: Now THAT was fucking funny!

onelove · Jul 13, 2004

FYRARMS said:
:lol: :lol: Now THAT was fucking funny!

Nero's GX470 maybe getting upgraded

FYRARMS · Jul 13, 2004

Tell him I will sell him a TRD supercharger for 20% over cost for that turkey. Giddy up.

Beef · Jul 13, 2004

Tracy said:
yea....I heard something about a 2J....I guess we'll see.

I'm not sure who Dan talked to about what. We did spend most of Sunday trolling pits...being pit hags. You know just trying to pick some fast people's brains and trying to find some sponsors.

Looks like Don and us are the only pro cars using the Tec III, since AEM cut Louis a nice check....

I know what you are sayin, me and OB were doing the same on Sat after our clutch went out...........

rb30dett · Jul 13, 2004

Jason S. said:
So you are saying that somehow the computer forgot how to add?? You do realize that if the computer log shows the output changed, it is because it was being told to....right??? Again, computers only do what they are told, they can't think for themselves. You said yourself the target was different, the speed signal was down. The computer did EXACTLY what it was being told to do, your speed sensor is messed up. My guess is because it is not a factory toyota sensor, and was made to work with your TH400!

Scrantons did NOT lose a cylinder this weekend, Ask Matt. The car ran 6.8 in the finals, that should tell you something. It was mis-firing because of a bad coil connection, the found that before running Ara in the finals. I talk to them between every round.

Vinny doesn't tune his car, George does!

There is nothing wrong with your box, you don't need to send it back. You need to take timing out at the lower boost pressures. You can run that much timing on your way to higher pressures, but you can't sustain it at even those lower pressures.

Jason.

i was trying to be nice but since its out in the open vinny did blow 2 motors on the same car with the AEM. another identical supra with a g-force/vcp has run better to date and has not blown up.

like i said before AEM can be a great computer but the flaws have to be fixed first.

you claim its easier to tune than motec ect, and oh if george tuned it should not have blown up. right?

Jesus · Jul 13, 2004

Beef said:
:agreed: Best post in this thread by far!! :agreed:

BTW Jesus it was great to meet you finally this weekend, will we be seeing you guys @ gateway??

Thanks likewise. I doubt we can make it to that one.

rb30dett · Jul 13, 2004

Jason S. said:
Of course it hasn't blown up with a gforce/vpc, the user doesn't have enough control to blow it up.

There are no flaws in the computer, just ask the current record holder (Steph) how well it works, or maybe ask Shepherd how many engines he has lost. Or ask Scrantons how well it has performed on their cars!

Yes, I am confident if George tuned the cars with our computer he would not have blown them up. George is very competent.

Take a wild guess as to how many engines people running MoTecs have blown up...... Does that mean MoTecs don't work......um.......NO!

Jason.

hmm 9.5@150mph vinny's first pass with the g-force/vpc supra that was 2 years ago and motor is still alive and well.

i did not see steph running to put an aem in his front wheel drive car.

you just said George tunes vinny's cars. so does this mean hes not competent?

i cant speak for any one else about blown engines and there motecs. the aem probally works well with the hondas and DSM's. but for some unexplained reason its not working well with the 2jzgte engines with a lot of hp.

Guest · Jul 13, 2004

I run a TEC3 on my supra. I love it.

LexISpooled · Jul 13, 2004

AGM-88B said:
I run a TEC3 on my supra. I love it.

I like the tecIII as well

Greg Caloudas · Jul 13, 2004

So here's what I think is going on with stephs car. I think AEM is Putting a nice little M48 inside the AEM Box and telling everyone that he uses AEM EMS Plug and Play what ever BS...

Hua · Jul 14, 2004

Jason S. said:
To say that it works on one car, but not others just shows your complete and utter ignorance in understanding how fuel injection works. Like somehow the computer cares what make of vehicle it is connected to.

Jason.

Oh snap!

Guest · Jul 14, 2004

Jason S. said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If it doesn't work well with 2j's why is it that scrantons cars are doing so well, I guess the 1600+hp they are making must not be all that much.

What does how much HP someone made on an ecu have to do with this discussion? What we're discussing here is *reliability*. A customer stated that they believe an injector driver failed. In response, you took the ignorant approach of pointing fingers to user error, tuning error and basically everything else to try to "save face". Instead, you just got pie to the face.

The issue at hand here is the unreliability of the hardware and software that makes up your product. If you wish to continue to be ignorant and would like to argue with a hardware/software engineer on a technical level, I'd be glad to clown you and your company with fact after fact of what we've found by taking apart your product - facts that you won't be able to argue with or make excuses about. The smart thing for you at this point would be to look into the customer's failure instead of embarrassing AEM further on this board. Besides, I'm sure the management there doesn't know or approve of your antics and rudeness towards your customer base.

Sometimes the hardest thing to hear is the truth...

houstonT · Jul 14, 2004

All this bickering!!!!! WAA WAA WAA, cry cry cry... OK, that's all I have to contribute to this thread. I'm just sitting in my office looking out of my window at my 1132 rwhp AEM equipped street supra which I drove to work today. I think i'm gonna take an early lunch and go for a drive...
Have fun boys.
Peter

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