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Yeah, it is, but how much longer will this go on? It's the same shit repeated every few pages.
 
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I just wish Lexus didn't release performance figures that look to be severely underrated and all acceleration tests seem to come with some asterisk that isn't really a true indicator of it's true straight line speed.

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With a car like this published acceleration times don't matter. 0-60? Come on that test should have died years ago. Top speed? That is right in line of what cars it's price does or have done.
 
People that argue it can't see the bigger picture to why it's priced that high. Toyota is not profiting out of this, but people still believe that it is being marked up. Just a heads up. The million dollar Veyron cost the company approx. 4 mil. to build. They don't have the slightest idea what this car is about.
 
Yes, to me each post deserves it's own post in reply.

Is there a reason you visit this thread if this bothers you? You've been here 8 years and you're nearly 30.:loser:
I'm here for the circus act you're putting on. You've truly become a mockery of yourself, and it only gets better with time, keep up the good show :)

FYI: The Veyron was also declared the Most Innovative Invention of 2006 by Popular Science magazine.
 
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I disagree because if something's never been done before, it's never been invented therefor, inherent engineering problems to something that's never been done have never been solved! That means innovation must come along during the development and manufacturing cycle or else the product will never see the light of day.
Incorrect, most of what you describe is handled by computer simulation. I know, I live in that world.

BUT.... if i go with your quote, it means the only thing innovative that Toyota did with the LFA is the CF Bonding. Toyota didn't pioneer the A pillar, CF, digital dash, single clutch tranny, torque tube, paddle shifting, V10, stereo system, equal length headers and exhaust systems, etc because all that has been invented already.
Once again wrong and once again showing you haven't even read up on the car. Just slamming it for trolling purposes.

So my point is, you believe that the LF-A is the bleeding edge of technology and innovation when compared to other exotics .
Only you said that.
 
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I just wish Lexus didn't release performance figures that look to be severely underrated and all acceleration tests seem to come with some asterisk that isn't really a true indicator of it's true straight line speed.

Alex
Toyota does this with most of their cars. They are a very conservative company (in all aspects).

Better to quote 0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds and have magazines get a 3.3 second than quote a 3.3 second and have a bad track day (high elevation, hot weather, poor track surface) yield a 3.6 seconds for one of the magazines. Said magazine would then say the car couldn't match the time Toyota quoted, etc. etc.
 
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I'm here for the circus act you're putting on. You've truly become a mockery of yourself, and it only gets better with time, keep up the good show :)
:lol::lol: This coming from you? :lol::lol:
 
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Toyota does this with most of their cars. They are a very conservative company (in all aspects).

Better to quote 0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds and have magazines get a 3.3 second than quote a 3.3 second and have a bad track day (high elevation, hot weather, poor track surface) yield a 3.6 seconds for one of the magazines. Said magazine would then say the car couldn't match the time Toyota quoted, etc. etc.
On top of that, as it's been said many times before (saying it again for the people who keep ignoring it...what's one more time?) The LFA0-60 time is quoted with two ~170 pound passengers and launch control off.

edit: just looked at the 458 italia thread. 3.4s 0-60 was done with launch control and no passenger for the italia. also from the Italia article:
"In automatic mode, on the way out of town, the gearbox tended to upshift quickly into 7th gear, likely for fuel economy reasons. At that point, a mild application of throttle occasionally would cause a hint of detonation in this high-compression (12.5:1) engine before the transmission could drop down to the proper ratio."

Does that bother anyone else that it was noticeable enough to be pointed out?
 
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Incorrect, most of what you describe is handled by computer simulation. I know, I live in that world.



Once again wrong and once again showing you haven't even read up on the car. Just slamming it for trolling purposes.
If I go with what you're saying about simulations, it means the LF-A really isn't innovative nor pioneering either because they used simulations on the car too, what a concept!!! LOL, but if i really analyze that comment, it sounds like to me, you think that there is a big green button that the Veyron engineers used. They push that big green button and "poof", viola, they now have a W16 quad turbo AWD 1000hp designed and ready for production which they're going to sell at a MAJOR loss for fun because it was super easy to design since there was nothing innovative about it, and since it was simulated on a computer. but... it was really about integration so it's really not innovative because of that reason.

I'm just slamming the LF-A in this thread because you put it up way too high on your pedestal and proceed to bash other impressive vehicles because they weren't engineered or manufactured by Toyota. Somehow with your delusional deduction, which has already been confirmed, because you've previously stated several times already... from inference, is that a non-Toyota vehicle, no matter the engineering feat, engineering design problem they have overcome, is not innovative, is not pioneering and not leading the pack. That to me is a definition of a Troll. LOL

If Toyota designs a light bulb, you'd be touting that they invented and innovated it, LOL... Get real, you crack me up.

BTW, if you are really an engineer, you'd know that mathematical equations have always been around and is used as a tool. That's what REAL engineers use, that's why they use simulations to speed up the process in their design. That's how you do it during the R&D phase and that's never going to change. It looks like you are 110% blowing smoke up everyone's ass because you don't understand what innovation and engineering IS. A tool like that is used to solve engineering problems quickly and easily which saves costs and time in order to get the product to market faster and that is Innovation in itself.
 
If I go with what you're saying about simulations, it means the LF-A really isn't innovative nor pioneering either because they used simulations on the car too, what a concept!!!..
There's a HUGE difference between knowing what will say keep X 500 HP engine cool and running simulations to see how to keep the Veyron 1000 HP engine cool (hint it's not just doubling everything) and inventing stuff from scratch (no previous process to run simulations from as a starting point........) Yes a lot of stuff will still be done on computers but it will be the first time it's done.

LOL, but if i really analyze that comment, it sounds like to me, you think that there is a big green button that the Veyron engineers used. They push that big green button and "poof", viola, they now have a W16 quad turbo AWD 1000hp designed and ready for production which they're going to sell at a MAJOR loss for fun because it was super easy to design since there was nothing innovative about it, and since it was simulated on a computer. but... it was really about integration so it's really not innovative because of that reason.
Your lack of knowledge when it comes to engineering is truly amazing......

I'm just slamming the LF-A in this thread because you put it up way too high on your pedestal and proceed to bash other impressive vehicles because they weren't engineered or manufactured by Toyota.
Incorrect yet again, we are putting it where it belongs because people like you keep putting it down well below where it deserves to be, nobody on this thread has said the car is perfect, the best ever, god's gift to the automotive world, etc. etc.

Somehow with your delusional deduction, which has already been confirmed, because you've previously stated several times already... from inference, is that a non-Toyota vehicle, no matter the engineering feat, engineering design problem they have overcome, is not innovative, is not pioneering and not leading the pack. That to me is a definition of a Troll. LOL.
It's comments like this that give you away as everyone here knows how much I like Porsches, Z06/ZR1's, Vipers, NSX's, FD's, Ferraris, Lambos, FGT's, MF1's and the list goes on and on and on.


If Toyota designs a light bulb, you'd be touting that they invented and innovated it, LOL... Get real, you crack me up.
You got that backwards, if Toyota invented the next 1000 things to be invented in the world you would find fault with it and call it crap. Then you would say, well they should have invented the last 1,000,000,000,000 things and then I would be impressed. It's the troll in you, it's in your nature.

BTW, if you are really an engineer, you'd know that mathematical equations have always been around and is used as a tool. That's what REAL engineers use, that's why they use simulations to speed up the process in their design. That's how you do it during the R&D phase and that's never going to change. It looks like you are 110% blowing smoke up everyone's ass because you don't understand what innovation and engineering IS. A tool like that is used to solve engineering problems quickly and easily which saves costs and time in order to get the product to market faster and that is Innovation in itself.
You really are DENSE, computer simulatorS USE MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS TO PERFORM THEIR TASKS. Do you see how stupid you keep looking? Before computers it was much more dificult to "predict" how integrating differenct systems would affect "the whole", this is where computer simulators come in.
 
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