[RWHP]

Bosch and Injector Dynamics makes the 2000cc ones but who makes the 2250 ones and is it only FIC who makes the 2150ccs? Does anyone have a link where i can see the opening times on 2250cc and 2150cc?

Done some searching and it seems like all these injectors are basicly the same on idle and streetdriving but i still want to have some info on opening times.

Thanks, Andreas

 

[WHITER33TT]

The bosch and ID injectors flow similar numbers as the fuel pressure rises.

http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID2000.html

And this is the bosch 2200cc
Specifications:

* Coil Resistance: 9.1 Ohms / Low Impedance
* Dead Time: 0.45ms at 14 volts
* Static Flow Rate @ 43.5 PSI ( 300kPa ) w/Gas: 2200 cc/min = 210 lb/hr
* Static Flow Rate @ 58 PSI ( 400kPa ) w/Gas: 2550 cc/min = 240 lb/hr
* Static Flow Rate @ 78.5 PSI ( 500kPa ) w/Gas: 2865 cc/min = 273 lb/hr
* Static Flow Rate @ 88 PSI ( 600kPa ) w/Gas: 3155 cc/min = 300 lb/hr
* Static Flow Rate @ 101.5PSI ( 700kPa ) w/Gas: 3350 cc/min = 320 lb/hr
* Connector: Denso / Sumitomo
* Injector Length: O-Ring to O-Ring: 1.5. / 37.5 mm
* Injector Body Diameter: 16mm
* O-Ring: 14.5mm Viton
* Acceptable Fuels: Gas/Petrol, alcohol/methanol, E85, CNG
* Unacceptable Fuels: Gas/Petrol containing MTBE, specifically VP Q16 and VP Import or other MTBE oxygenated fuels

 

[RWHP]

Are the 2250cc low impedance, thought they where high. The 2150cc are they hogh or low impedance?

 

[KDW]

Siemens Monotron 2430cc is another great injector in that class.

 

[RWHP]

I got the answers i needed from Boost Lab Basicly the only difference between ID2000 and Precision 2150 is that IDs cant handle oxygenated fuel.

 

[KDW]

^ Are you sure about that? In the link below it states otherwise in regards to the oxygenated fuel.

http://www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/cgi-local/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=IS245-2150H

 

[RWHP]

^ Are you sure about that? In the link below it states otherwise in regards to the oxygenated fuel.

http://www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/cgi-local/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=IS245-2150H

Maybe it was the other way around but eitherway we're not going to use any oxygenated fuel

 

[Tampa mike]

From dealing with T1(T1racevelopment.com) for quite some time and using the ID injectors im sure its very plain to see that all these injectors FIC and ID start off as a basic bosch injector. ID does modify them to operate at slightly different conditions and has gotten a bit more flow and a bit more stability out of them as far as part throttle and more accuracy under WOT.

I can vouch and know that they arent bosch injectors just tossed in a different box, which is the way the automotive scene seems to be operating in the past few years from intake manifolds, exh manifolds, fuel pumps etc. Everything seems to be just some rebadged reboxed parts from someone else.

But I know the research on the ID injectors have been done extensively and it has payed off for many race teams, weekend warriors, and street machines.


For the average supra owner would 6 2200cc plain bosch injectors work......Im sure they would, but what I dont want in my mind after alot of hard work is a "what if" or a "I should have" so I just pony up and use a tested and proven product for the environment that I know my car will be subjected to


again, this is my opinion and view and my 2 cents

 

[Björck]

All these injectors are the same Bosch injectors.(except the Siemens KDW mentioned)
The different flow ratings depend on what test fluid used for the test.

ID, FIC and others test, flowmatch sets and do external modifications on the bosch injectors.

Tampa mike: What modifications do ID make to get "more flow and a bit more stability out of them as far as part throttle and more accuracy under WOT."
I think that is BS.

 

[[email protected]]

Stay away from the Siemens 2250's, they idle like poop. The ID's and FIC's are both Bosch EV14 injectors.

Reid

 

[KirkMKIV]

For the average Supra owner the Bosch injectors are the way to go, regardless of the name brand sticker on it. The Low imp. Siemens are what you want to stay away from.

The different flow ratings depend on what test fluid used for the test.

This is what some people seem to forget

 

[Mdeniz]

I run those siemens 2250s and they don't idle so bad in fact its not saying much but they idle wayyy better than the 1600cc that i used to have in there, and considering the cams i have (280 10.4lift) and the fact i don't run an idle control motor I would strongly recommend them to anyone without hesitation. Darin had them on his car and they are also in Jessica's car and they idle awesome (she still has the idle control motor),So whats not to like??? They don't idle bad when tuned properly, they make plenty of power, have a great price tag, and can handle any fuel.

Jessica's car in TX2K11 you can hear it idle for a while
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8rbUTXA5eQ

 

[suprareyrey]

I agree with Mario, I run these injectors as well and the idle quality is good as long as its tuned well.

 

[olsonjus]

The Bosch EV14 injectors that FIC sell are not modified. They are factory Bosch units with extension hats to make them the correct length.

Here is an image of the Bosch injector FIC sells. It's part number is: 0-280-158-821

 

[Björck]

I have the Siemens "2250" in my supra and have been running with them for two years with no problem(E85).
Also have some Bosch "2000cc" injectors so maybe i try them and se what the difference would be.

 

[RWHP]

Are you not running 440cc on idle and low load anymore Peter?

 

[Tampa mike]

All these injectors are the same Bosch injectors.(except the Siemens KDW mentioned)
The different flow ratings depend on what test fluid used for the test.

ID, FIC and others test, flowmatch sets and do external modifications on the bosch injectors.

Tampa mike: What modifications do ID make to get "more flow and a bit more stability out of them as far as part throttle and more accuracy under WOT."
I think that is BS.

http://www.injectordynamics.com/

Its on thier page that thier injectors are modified, they also specifically say they arent a set of drilled out injectors(If this was untrue im sure there would be claims of false advertisement somehow someway). As for the full extent of what has been done. I can give a good generalization as to what is done to them but I cant be 100% on it. As for a full explanation call Tony @T1. I know there is a difference because we have used 2 of the 3 labeled above and from my logs and going back over the data when you see the "same" injector have completely different deatimes, pulsewidth, and duty cycle you know from that point that they cant be the same. The FICs are not ID's they are completely different injectors. They may be the same injector body yes but I can see a difference in the tune and how you have to tune them.

 

[olsonjus]

Here is a good comparison between the ID2000 and the FIC2150. Differences seem to be within the experimental error IMO.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash/461387-fic-2150cc-notes.html

 

[Björck]

http://www.injectordynamics.com/

Its on thier page that thier injectors are modified, they also specifically say they arent a set of drilled out injectors(If this was untrue im sure there would be claims of false advertisement somehow someway). As for the full extent of what has been done. I can give a good generalization as to what is done to them but I cant be 100% on it. As for a full explanation call Tony @T1. I know there is a difference because we have used 2 of the 3 labeled above and from my logs and going back over the data when you see the "same" injector have completely different deatimes, pulsewidth, and duty cycle you know from that point that they cant be the same. The FICs are not ID's they are completely different injectors. They may be the same injector body yes but I can see a difference in the tune and how you have to tune them.

Of coarse they are modified, they have the purple aluminium adapter installed
Without modifications direcly from Bosch they flow the same. So no need to drill them.


RWHP: Yes i have small injectors for idle, but thats because i use gasoline on low load you know. I have been using the Siemens big injectors with E85 for idle to.

 

[Cursed]

I like my FIC 2250's, they idle great on my car at 850rpm's on gasoline or E85.

But, there is something to be said for the ECU that is being used to tune the idle. I noticed a smoother idle by moving out of the AEMv1 into the Proefi...

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