Hahaha great kill. I read the whole thing and felt like I was reading a book. You described this kill very well lol congrats.. and good luck on your build

 

nice kill... SR20s are great motors... they have my respect.

 

I don't want to take away from your kill, but something doesn't add up. Although I'm not sure what your s13 weighs and I do know that Camaro's are pigs, they do have more power than you and a much better powerband. I wouldn't think you'd be able to pull that much if at all on a SS with whp you have.

 

it can be possible cause 240sx s13's weigh in around 2600lbs. and the camaro is 4000 pounds. so if you take in simple math...

280whp + 15% drivetrain loss so you multiply 280 with 0.15 and u get 42. so u add 42 to 280 and u get 322 hp at the fly.

then you take 2600lb and divide it by 322 which = 8.0lb that each horse has to carry on the 240sx.

for the camaro, which weighs in right at 4000, using the same formula will net the camaro 9.4 lbs that each horse has to carry for the camaro. (4000 divided by 425=9.4117)

so in theory, his car should be a bit faster than the camaro...

Oh, i use this formula for everything on the road haha... its VERY accurate too.... cause power to weight ratio means the world of a difference

 

But 4 car lengths from 80-110 ....

 

"Overboosting"

 

3,860lbs = 4,000lbs... no.

-Beau

 

^^also, that formula only takes into account peak hp numbers. I guarantee that the SS has a much flatter power curve than a turbocharged car. Just sayin' something doesn't add up.

 

Werd. I posed the question why the SS is still faster than the 5.0 a few days ago and this was the exact reasoning. Plus more torque and more power on demand.

-Beau

 

nice kill

 

very nice kill. not sure how i feel about the new camaros anyway

 

so, in theory then, an S13 with a 2JZ (what I'm considering), and a billet 6765, pushing say 550 RWHP. the base car is 2560 prolly 100 more for the 2JZ, and 280 more for my big frame...plus some gas.. lets say 3,000lbs.

3,000/550 = 5.45 not too shabby

Jeff

 

Haha, always the skeptics out there...yeah the Camaro was auto... even with the puffs of dark smoke coming out his exhaust followed by obvious acceleration, I guess it's possible he wasn't fully open at first, because when I got next to him it almost sounded like he got on it even harder than he was at first; whereas the second he started to get on it, I went full up right away until I got a little detonation from overboost and let off some. If this were the case, I would've had too much overtake on him for him to contend with than if we both started full throttle at the same time. Of course, as they say...a race is a race...he was out-reacted or unprepared enough to keep up I guess. If I had more highway to play with before my exit, I would've gone again off a honk and maybe he would've done better, but as it was he lost. I'll try to see if I can pester another one (since they are EVERYWHERE around here thanks to my fellow Air Force bros and the ********) enough to get another go.

My 240SX isn't one of my fast cars, but quick enough... has ran 8.3's in the 1/8th mile, (high 12-low 13 sec 1/4 mile) so I think enough to take down a new Camaro SS. It's not a typical ex-Honda owner/not running right SR swap/beat up 240SX. My car actually runs good/looks good, and doesn't get trashed trying to 'drift'. One day I'll dyno it. My SR20 Datsun with similar mods minus cams, but with S15 bb T28, and Greddy intake/Q45 TB put down 285 rwhp on the same amount of boost through a 2.25" exhaust. Now THAT'S a fast little car! Talk about power to weight; 2000 lbs fully loaded with driver. That' little guy's taken down a sprayed bolt on C5 Z06 http://www.fquick.com/videos/george_vs_datsun_210_Z06_gets_walked_hard_watch_and_comment/6307

 

My 240SX isn't one of my fast cars, but quick enough... has ran 8.3's in the 1/8th mile, (high 12-low 13 sec 1/4 mile) so I think enough to take down a new Camaro SS.

I'm not saying it's a bad kill, but stock SS Camaro's run 13 flat at over 110 mph in the 1/4 mile. How you're pulling 4 car lengths (by 110 mph) on him is just a bit sketchy.

 

And here's an older road course video of my 240SX. http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-3897815792382472929&hl=en

 

probably a rs camaro, they do seem to look the same from far distance, the rs and ss emblem. s13 weighs in 2700, 260hp on 2700lb + driver=2850 assuming u weigh 150lbs. There is no way your near high 12's or low 13's. And to add everything up, that's a 4 cyl not 6. But anyways nice kill.

 

it dont really matter about the number of cylinders a car has when making peak horsepower.... I've seen b18c1's make above 500 at the wheels.

 

nice kill

 

LoL you guys can believe it or not, I was there and thought I'd share my story, there's always skeptical people lurking in the Kill Section so it's to be expected.

I have also blown the doors off a Charger SRT8 in the same car as well going from about a 15 roll about a year ago back when I lived in Abilene, so my car is no slouch. The guy kept going on afterwards about how he needed new tires...well, don't race if it ain't ready! My cars always impress and are always only built by me and my little red tool box. My friends could never get over how many builds and swaps I've done with just that little box of tools...lol Ramert...

 

Not surprised about you beating a Charger SRT8. In most reviews and circles that run each car, the SS Camaro will put a good beating on the Charger.

 

So wait, you're not surpised that I beat a Charger SRT8 (13.2-13.3 quarter mile), but are skeptical that I also walked an auto Camaro SS (13.1-13.2 quarter mile)? Chevy fan boy?

 

Because you got so defensive and because I could truthfully give 2 shits about any one particular kill, I'm taking your word that you somehow beat a SS Camaro (13.0 1/4 mile) by 4 car lengths, which means you would obviously beat a Charger SRT8 (13.3 1/4 mile). And to explain AGAIN, it's not that I don't believe your story (you're the one that said that, not me). I believe there was more going on in the kill of the SS that you aren't aware of simply because you shouldn't be able to walk a car that you run almost an identical 1/4 mile too. I also don't understand how you know the SS was an auto when you didn't stop to talk to the guy.

The other problem I have with your particular story is that at least by what you wrote, there's nothing that says that this guy in the SS was actually trying to race you. You said he was already cruising at 80 mph and that you saw a puff of smoke and heard "a roar from his V8" and you assume that he has floored it and is trying to race a guy that was on his bumper? Maybe he didn't want you on his ass and once you passed him he just let you go? This story just reminds me of the sacred ricer code... whether the guy next to you know he's racing or not, a win is a win.

 

Congrat's on the kill, most people don't know how nice 240's drive with a good SR motor not beat ton shit is. With the mods i believe it and could be close to 300....how much you boosting? i wouldn't run anything pass 18psi on the t28 turbo.

They don't spool as fast as the T25 but deff is worth it in the long run!

 

I've been running 1.1 to 1.2 bar on all my T28 cars, and for almost 6 years now without really any issues other than the slight overboost when it gets as cold out as it is. Anything past 1.2 bar on this turbo is pointless though. It could be close to 300 rwhp but I've never dyno'd so I don't know, just guesstimating compared to the one I have dyno'd that runs like a bat outta hell.

When I looked up quarter mile times online on both cars, Car and Driver was running 13.2 out of the auto Camaro SS, and I saw Youtube videos on the Charger running 13.3-13.4. I could tell the Camaro was auto by the sound of the engine changing gears when I was next to it, there was no delay, so either he was a really damn good gear banger, or more likely, an automatic. I almost had another go at another SS Friday night, but it didn't work out due to it being 5pm/rush hour.

Since you still have trouble believing it, my buddy with a supercharged RSX also blew the doors off a guy at works' new SS Camaro as well, and him (in the RSX) and I are neck and neck.

 

I dnt think charger stock runs 13's guys, more like low 14's stock. The aerodynamic of the charger suck ass, and its as heavy as two elephant.

 

dont forget that they usually run 20s or 22s on the new camaro causing all kinds of problems......

 

stock camaros ss are not that fast also they are heavy .I believe you . Nice kill

 

+1, raced a rs/ss or whaever it was at the track.....my supra was bone stock along with his 60k dollar camaro. HE was running 14.3 and I ran a 14.1. And if anyone tries to argue that keep in mind its was far above sea level, either way, I beat it!

 

One big thing you guys are leaving out is the auto 2010+ Camaro's do not have LS3's. They come with L99's which typically only dyno about 300-325rw in stock trim. (much less than the LS3's which put down 350-380rw).

So we're only talking about a 50rw difference between the two cars, then consider the 1200 lbs difference and much more frontal area on the Camaro. Makes perfect sense.

 

Completely forgot about that... well played. Autos are rated at 400hp at the crank, but 100 hp seems like a lot for drivetrain loss though. I still have my doubts about the guy with bone stock jdm supra taking down either an auto or manual SS Camaro.

 

Hey AFracer, AF wouldn't be Air Force would it?

I only ask cause I was stationed at LRAFB for 3 1/2 years till I got out, and know many import/domestic guys from LR area

 

Why yes, yes it does. I haven't really gotten back into the 'scene' since moving here yet because I don't have my shop built yet and my fast cars have been down since moving here. My bro and I have taken our cars to some SCCA racing at the stadium parking lot in the city but that's about it since I've been here other than the VERY occasional random challenge around town. A couple kids tracked me down inviting me to some street runs like 45 mins away, but I had a feeling none of them would really be worth the risk (bolt on IS300 & bolt on Mustang GT)Hopefully this spring we'll get back out there finding some good people/cars to screw around with.

 

Although I can't attest to beating a new SS Camaro, yet, I can say the SR20 in simple bolt on form is for sure a quick little car. Prior to my recent motor build my S14 with S13 Blacktop, mods that consisted of BC 264 cams, full 3 inch turbo back, GReddy FMIC, tuned MAP ECU etc etc made 254rwhp on the stock T25 at 13 psi with completely stock fuel minus a walbro and Z32 fuel filter. At that power level I raced PHR's old "Carb" Supra once the new owner purchased it. From a 30 roll I kept a solid half car length all the way up to roughly 75-80 mph before I fell victim to it's far more superior gearing. That car made high 400's if I remember correctly on the PHR Street Kit(cast manifold, GT60) with MAP ECU and stock fuel.

Regards,
Robert

 

I was referring to the OP's kill. I'm iffy about the JDM Supra kill as well. Though, you throw a bad enough driver in a Camaro, it's possible I guess. (he does mention 1/4 mile track)