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Im still at BPU - just wondering about your perspectives on the necessity of a FMIC in az. also im curious about fmic legality - any problems?.
 

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Im still at BPU - just wondering about your perspectives on the necessity of a FMIC in az. also im curious about fmic legality - any problems?.
You really don't need it unless you are going single.

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sks said:
Im still at BPU - just wondering about your perspectives on the necessity of a FMIC in az. also im curious about fmic legality - any problems?.
Will hurt more than help (and can create cooling issues in the summer).

Why would it be illegal? If it were, you're already missing your cat which is against state and federal law ($5000 fine), so who cares? :)
 

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You have an excellent point, but the bling of a FMIC is much more noticeable than a dp. in Ca they are supposedly illegal. your point, better to overheat the turbos than overheat the motor?? do any of u guys road race. how do u deal with overhearing and boost response on the course?
 

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You have an excellent point, but the bling of a FMIC is much more noticeable than a dp.
When you consider the sound, it is far less noticeable.

in Ca they are supposedly illegal.
In CA, basically ANY modification that is not CARB certified is illegal.

your point, better to overheat the turbos than overheat the motor??
Wow, that's a conclusion out of thin air. There's a thing called "dimishing returns"... if one system works well, bringing on another system when the first one is sufficient for its main pupose is overkill, so secondary and tertiary problems need to be examined. The biggest secondary problem being overheating...

do any of u guys road race. how do u deal with overhearing and boost response on the course?
By running a lot of water and choosing the right gear.
 

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Wow, that's a conclusion out of thin air. There's a thing called "dimishing returns"... if one system works well, bringing on another system when the first one is sufficient for its main pupose is overkill, so secondary and tertiary problems need to be examined. The biggest secondary problem being overheating...
Sorry, wasn't trying to be argumentative. Are you trying to saying that a FMIC is near useless? or at least not worth its price or effect on the engine cooling system?

THANKS!
 

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Sorry, wasn't trying to be argumentative. Are you trying to saying that a FMIC is near useless? or at least not worth its price or effect on the engine cooling system?

THANKS!
For your application yes-- nearly worthless for performance, plus the added hit of cooling.

If you like the look, and will get a single later, then go for it. Otherwise, you're wasting money.
 

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Here in an Az summer, road racing can have track temps reach 129 deg. Ambient temps of113 deg. is NOT uncommon. In fact, unless you have MAJOR MacGyver mods, your ride WILL overheat. Especially the power steering fluid. Next is going to be the water in your radiator. Finally, the oil temps will be MUCH too hot also. The effective life of the oil will be shot after a few laps, not good.
The mods you can do are in the road racing section. also. :) You can start with a power steering cooler(aluminum, snake shaped pipe which does NOT always work), buy oil coolers(mini radiator/IC looking gizmos.) External, high powered fans for oil and power steering fluid. (2 fans for each, in a push-pull method) The radiator is hard to cool down for sure. "Water Wetter" helps, but not much. An aluminum radiator does help quite a bit, but not cheap.
A FMIC will choke your rad. from performing 100%, no doubt.
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better to overheat the turbos than overheat the motor??
Neither. :)

Overheating an aluminum head(like ours) is one of the worst things you can do to your car. Overheating the turbos, how? The stock SMIC is not cooling down the turbos, the water-jackets on them are. The stockers are oil lubed, water cooled.
 

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Sorry, wasn't trying to be argumentative. Are you trying to saying that a FMIC is near useless? or at least not worth its price or effect on the engine cooling system?

THANKS!

A FMIC is the most OVERPRICED part on a so equipped car.
 

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Here in an Az summer, road racing can have track temps reach 129 deg. Ambient temps of113 deg. is NOT uncommon. In fact, unless you have MAJOR MacGyver mods, your ride WILL overheat. Especially the power steering fluid. Next is going to be the water in your radiator. Finally, the oil temps will be MUCH too hot also. The effective life of the oil will be shot after a few laps, not good.
The mods you can do are in the road racing section. also. :) You can start with a power steering cooler(aluminum, snake shaped pipe which does NOT always work), buy oil coolers(mini radiator/IC looking gizmos.) External, high powered fans for oil and power steering fluid. (2 fans for each, in a push-pull method) The radiator is hard to cool down for sure. "Water Wetter" helps, but not much. An aluminum radiator does help quite a bit, but not cheap.
A FMIC will choke your rad. from performing 100%, no doubt.
THANKS for the post. the mods sound awfully expensive. perhaps i should just roadrace in the winter?
 

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THANKS for the post. the mods sound awfully expensive. perhaps i should just roadrace in the winter?
No way. The Supra is one of the easiest to mod and safest too. Just remember that the risk of overheating is exponentially greater as the heat rises. I would be careful on a BPU car over 90 deg. and for a FMIC car over 75deg. (HARD Road racing, that is)
 
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