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i am thinking about buying a supra that has a blown motor but am looking at my options, would stock tt pistons and eagle rods be better then stock rods? i wouldnt want more then 800rwhp if that ever. I am on a strict budget so i cant go all out
 

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yea....eagle rods are "ok".....i have noe experience with them, but a few guys I know (one with a supra) is running them. Stock pistons are like almost 300 or a little over 300.....I would opt to get weisco pistons or something for a little more money. if you need someone to put the block together, or machine it (etc.), let me know.....ive got a great guy. and he is in orlando, i also know a guy in sarasota, which may be better for you who is also very good.

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I would just spend the extra money and put a set of pistons in as well if your going to have the motor appart, that or just go with a stock Shortblock. I'll take a stock shortblock (inspected first) over a budget built motor any day of the week.
 

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I would just spend the extra money and put a set of pistons in as well if your going to have the motor appart, that or just go with a stock Shortblock. I'll take a stock shortblock (inspected first) over a budget built motor any day of the week.
What's wrong w/ stock pistons? Battlground and CP put their Supra's well into the 8's w/ stock ones. IMO save the money from the pistons and get nicer rods.

When and if I ever build my motor I will be using stock pistons. Anyone ever notice the design of the factory piston? It has provisions to utilize the factor oil sprayers. To my knowledge no aftermarket piston offers this. OH and I sure as heck wouldn't call it a budget built motor.

Also I'd rather keep stock twins on my car then put a budget ebay manifold. Same principle. :dunno:
 

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id keep stock pistons...they can hold up to 900hp, maybe more......it just depends on what you want bro but you can go stock all the way with no problems
 

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I talked to Dave at Headgames who does the heads for engine builder Bert over at Bullish racing. I talked to him about Eagle rods and he instantly jumped out and said they'd never use them. He stated that they are produced in Taiwan and heard of instances of quality control problems. But then again these are all he said she said but the source was pretty good. There are guys running them with no problems and hey, they are most likely going to be better than stock, right?

It's all in who and what you want to believe I guess. I don't think I'd put them in my motor though.

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What's wrong w/ stock pistons? Battlground and CP put their Supra's well into the 8's w/ stock ones. IMO save the money from the pistons and get nicer rods.

When and if I ever build my motor I will be using stock pistons. Anyone ever notice the design of the factory piston? It has provisions to utilize the factor oil sprayers. To my knowledge no aftermarket piston offers this. OH and I sure as heck wouldn't call it a budget built motor.

Also I'd rather keep stock twins on my car then put a budget ebay manifold. Same principle. :dunno:

There is a lot more to a built motor than rods and pistons. So many people have made up to 800hp on the stock shortblock it's not even funny, if your not looking to break the dyno, there is no reason to even put rods in the motor for 600hp, by the time you get rods, machinework, assembly you've got a pretty penny into your motor. I've seen the guts of the fastest 2JZ's on the planets, none of which use stock pistons.

As for the eBay manifold comment, anyone who has seen, heard my car has had no complaints on it. If I bought 10 of them, made the necessary modifications, slapped a Titan or MVP emblem on the item and then sold it for 1200 I'm sure it would be all the rave. :dunno:
 

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There is a lot more to a built motor than rods and pistons. So many people have made up to 800hp on the stock shortblock it's not even funny, if your not looking to break the dyno, there is no reason to even put rods in the motor for 600hp, by the time you get rods, machinework, assembly you've got a pretty penny into your motor. I've seen the guts of the fastest 2JZ's on the planets, none of which use stock pistons.

As for the eBay manifold comment, anyone who has seen, heard my car has had no complaints on it. If I bought 10 of them, made the necessary modifications, slapped a Titan or MVP emblem on the item and then sold it for 1200 I'm sure it would be all the rave. :dunno:
The weak point in our short block are the rods, plain and simple. As someone looking to use their car for the street foremost and some strip then just upgrading rods is sufficient. Did you see my point about the stock pistons and oil squirters? Do you think Toyota put them there for show?

I’m assuming you’re referring to Titan when mentioning some of the fastest 2J’s. This is exactly why I mentioned battleground and CP. The stock pistons can hold the load to go 8’s. This is something MOST of us will never do in our car… Just my 2psi

As for the Ebay manifold it was to show how ridiculous your “budget built motor” comment came across. That’s great that you’re happy with it, but I would never put it on my car. I guess that’s your point about using stock pistons, regardless the stock pistons have been PROVEN to work well.
 

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Eagle rods are quality rods for a good price. They may not be the lightest nor the strongest, but they have been used in many, many high-horsepower applications. I have personally used a set in a 383" stroker Vortech S-Trim application, and I used a set in a nitroused 455" Pontiac application. No problems whatsoever.

The factory MKIV turbo pistons are also VERY strong. They are cast using the best Japanese pressure-casting methods, and are coated with 3 different types of material to resist heat and abrasion.

My current combination at my engine builder consists of a brand new OEM shortblock with Eagle rods, ARP rod bolts, and OEM pistons and rings.
 

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After talking to everyone I could about how I should do my motor (for MY needs) I also decided to keep the stock pistons/rings... I went with Pauter rods however.
 

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Eagle rods have there place, not that I wouldn't use them but I wouldn't use them in a high HP situation. And I would buy ARP bolts for them. There are a quality piece for the price, just depends on application.
 

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if your on a tight budget why not just be bpu++ for a while.......after a couple of months of saving money go with new oem pistons and rings,greddy pauter or jun rods, and arp bolts......i would prefer any of those three choices since they are in the same price range, but if your looking at only 600whp then just go with the oem rods aswell....
 

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Okay, a lot of advice so far, but I suffered the same indecision when I built my motor. FYRARMS had it right, Eagle H-beam rods will serve you well for 800 rwhp, as well as the stock pistons, but while you're in there, don't forget to upgrade the bearings, too.

Wes' manifold looks like a million dollars to me, btw. The whole damn car does...

Eric
 

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If you look at this scenario though it might be hard to say exactly which way to go.

First, you're starting with a blown motor, which you would need to know how badly "blown" it actually is... If it would need to be bored out for the rebuild route then factory pistons may not be an option depending on how far it needs to go, but there are decent pistons out there if need be.
I second that the stock internals are good for the power levels you may want, and you really should look at the cost difference between having the bottom end built and a new stock shortblock.
Also, take into account if any head freshening or more may need to be done to the top end because of whatever event caused the motor blow.

It's really hard to give an informed opinion on which way to go with your project until we know the extent of the details...
 

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going bpu is not an option as the car is already single, i was just looking at my options, i also may have my short block out of my totalled supra, it only has 37k miles on it which is nothing for these cars
 

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Well there ya go! Just take your presumeably good motor out of the wreck and slam it in the blown car... easy peasy, done deal.
 
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