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I don't know why Kaizo is listed as dissolved. Maybe it was done pursuant to the outcome of the investigation...
Nah, I'm leaning more towards Kaizo was dissolved in order to try to avoid the many potential lawsuits Daryl will be facing if it turns out the whole thing was a sham.
 

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Importing a chassis without a motor in it as parts is legal.

Installing an engine in your "parts" and trying to register it and drive it is not legal.

The only legal R33's and R34's imported to the USA were the old Motorex cars.

NO ONE can bring in R33's legally, any one who says they can are full of shit. The 1995 R33's are excluded for import as they do not meet the DOT 1995 requirements for secondary restraint, since in 1995 the passenger airbag was optional. Which leaves the 1996-1998 cars. None of which meet the federal DOT ODBII requirement. Many have tried, but no one has ever converted an R33 to an ODBII compliant system, as such NONE OF THEM ARE LEGAL.

There were some R34's brought in via motorex, which were released under the R33's crash test. Those few cars that were legally released are grandfathered. no one has ever crash tested R34's, so other than those few motorex cars, There are no other road legal R34's in the USA. Even if you have a state title, state plate etc. The car is not federally legal and subject to ceasure and destruction.

The whole "kit car" approach to importing skylines is NOT legal.. I don't car if you have a car in the USA, titled, plated, rolling around town.. it is not legal. Having 50 lbs of pot on your table does not mean it is legal.

Not sure why everyone does not get this...
 

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Oh man, I have some pot to sell then :nervous:
 

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Importing a chassis without a motor in it as parts is legal.

Installing an engine in your "parts" and trying to register it and drive it is not legal.

The only legal R33's and R34's imported to the USA were the old Motorex cars.

NO ONE can bring in R33's legally, any one who says they can are full of shit. The 1995 R33's are excluded for import as they do not meet the DOT 1995 requirements for secondary restraint, since in 1995 the passenger airbag was optional. Which leaves the 1996-1998 cars. None of which meet the federal DOT ODBII requirement. Many have tried, but no one has ever converted an R33 to an ODBII compliant system, as such NONE OF THEM ARE LEGAL.

There were some R34's brought in via motorex, which were released under the R33's crash test. Those few cars that were legally released are grandfathered. no one has ever crash tested R34's, so other than those few motorex cars, There are no other road legal R34's in the USA. Even if you have a state title, state plate etc. The car is not federally legal and subject to ceasure and destruction.
The last batch of cars released from DOT/NHTSA/OVS are various model years. Many are 1996 and above. Eventhough, they have a "release of bond" letter, they are not EPA legal. Explain how these cars are considered road legal, despite the fact that they are not EPA compliant.
 

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I would think this is just for Skylines, seeing as it stems from Motorex and now Kaizo and all this other skyline drama. The other gray market cars never attracted as much attention.
This applies to any imported vehicle. If a vehicle was not orginally sold for use in the US it must be imported though proper channels to be legal. TVR , Silvia , Yugo , Saab , whatever.

Import eligibility petitions

DOT Importation and Certification FAQ

Heres one guy that got in trouble with the EPA . They almost always go after the Clean Air Act. Its the most enforceable regulation they have. - David Nelson


"The purpose ofthis Agreement is to resolve any and all claims by EPA under the Act and Part 85 arising out ofthe importation of 17 uncertified motor vehicles in Respondent's U.S. Customs entry number ACI-8261233-6 as described in Table 1, and to ensure that future violations are avoided"

"Table 1: Description of Subject Motor Vehicles
Nissan
Skyline
BC,NR33008371
1995
1
Toyota
Aristo
JZS1470103366
1995
1
Nissan
Skyline
ECR33012807
1995
1
Nissan
18OSX
RPS13027518
1992
1
Nissan
Skyline
ECR33012456
1993
1
Nissan
Silvia
PS12091226
1993
1
Nissan
18OSX
KPRS13502893
1996
1
Toyota
Soarer
JZZ300026653
1993
1
Nissan
Skyline
HCR32288471
1993
1
Nissan
180 SX
RPS13202291
1993
1
Nissan
18OSX
RPS13306735
1996
1
Nissan
I8OSX
RPS13302247
1995
1
Nissan
18OSX
RPS13057254
1992
1
Subaru
WRX
GC8003748
1992
1
Mazda
RX7
FC3S123415
1988
1
Nissan
18OSX
RPS13328831
1997
1
Nissan
Silvia
KS13213739
1989
1"

Other Importation FAQ's

There is too much misinformation out there about the actual importation and legalization process . The actual process requires the satisfication of several government agencies . The government agencies concerned are :

1) NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) or DOT (Department of Transportation)
2) EPA (Environmental Protection Agency)
3) Customs Service.( Part of Homeland Security now)
4) CARB ( California Air Resources Board) if you are in California.
5) Local Deparment of Motor Vehicles.


There is a lot of information about importation of vehicles . It is a little difficult to transfer several years of knowledge and experience into a few lines of information. The truest way to learn the information is though doing it and from reading the Code of Federal Regulations , along with the local laws and information.

1)My state doesn't have emissions testing , so is it any cheaper to legalize my vehicle ?

No , its not any cheaper as the vehicle , and every vehicle when first sold new must meet Federal Emissions Standards . If your state does not have emissions standards , that does not mean you , or your state does not meet them . It merely means there is no in use testing. Federal emissions standards are FTP testing. It is run on a dyno from a cold start . Though an 11 mile drive cycle. All of the emissions from a vehicle are tested , and the vehicle must meet certain criteria for the year it was produced .

2) I want to bring in a Toyota Supra from Japan (any vehicle not produced for the US market) , I have seen people have them here already , why do you say I can't have the car ?

"All eligibility numbers are for left-hand drive motor vehicles except where right-hand drive (RHD) is identified after the model. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, an eligibility number based on a substantially similar U.S.- certified motor vehicle may not apply. Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider them "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the certified left-hand drive vehicle in crash tests. If the vehicle is not substantially similar to one sold in the U.S., the RI would have to demonstrate that the vehicle, when modified, would comply with the applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, which could involve crash testing several vehicles. " from the DOT website.

3) What is FTP ?

Federal Test Procedure, or FTP means the test procedure as described in Sec. 86.130-00 (a) through (d) and (f) which is designed to measure urban driving tail pipe exhaust emissions and evaporative emissions over the Urban Dynamometer Driving Schedule as described in appendix I to this part. .

4) What is the DOT ?

Department of Transportation . Mostly we are concerned with the NHTSA . National Highway Transportation Safety Administration . OVSC . Office of
Vehicle Safety and Compliance

5) What is FMVSS ?

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

6) What is EPA ?

Environmental Protection Agency

7) What is CARB ?

California Air Resources Board.

8) What does the customs service do http://www.customs.gov/

9)Whats an HS-7 ?

It is the DOT form required to import a vehicle

10) What is a 3520 -1 ?

Its the EPA form required to import a motor vehicle.

11) What is Show or Display exemption ?


http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/ShowDisplay/


12) I want to import a race car how do I do it ?

There are two ways to import a race car . Temporary and permantent . http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/Racing/Index.html

13) I want to do the work myself , why can't I ?

Registered importers are supposed to preform all modifications as the modifications are covered by safety recall insurance . If the RI did not preform the modifications there is no way for them to ensure the modifications are done correctly.

14) Why do you care if I import a car and sell it ?

If this guy sells it to someone , without the person fully knowing about the car they may have some problems .

The only person that has something actually to lose is the guy that buys this car . If I can use some of my knowledge about this , to possibly help someone out , then I will .

Does anyone remember the call I got from the guy with a Skyline in Canada . Someone had told him that he could import the car to Canada . Then drive it for a year before he had to legalize it . Have to tell him that there is really not much I could do for him . I gave him his options . He didn't think he was doing anything wrong . But hes the guy that gets screwed.



15) What do you know about the petition process for vehicles at the DOT ?

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm

Do a keyword search . Search for Lancer Evolution . You will see two 87 page documents from me for the LHD Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII and VIII . The first few pages are the actual work . The rest of the pages are substainciating documentation from Mitsubishi press releases , and service manuals.It took me about a month to do the Mitsubishi petition . Get the paperwork and information together . Do the research , etc .
In Feburary , 2003 I flew over to the DOT in Washington , DC and dropped off my petition . At first I bundled the VII and VIII together as they are on the same chassis CT9A . The DOT did not like this , and I had to go and split it into two petitions .

It took about 2 months for them to decide they wanted to see it different . Then took several more months before they published the VIII petition in the Federal Register . Another month to publish the VII petition . Comments from Mitsubishi on the VII delayed the closing of the petition a week. There are comments from Mitsubishi on the VII petition also.The week after Mitsubishis comments I called the DOT to find out if they wanted me to formally comment on Mitsubishis comments , and they told me to stand by. Its been about 3 weeks now , and I am standing by. In all its been 11 months since I started the project .11 months. Sure in that time , everyone in the DOT has changed , some rules have changed . I had some challenges against things at the DOT , but I play by the rules.



16) I hear 1996 and up cars need OBD -II . What is OBD -II ? Do cars made for other countries have it ?

http://www.obdiicsu.com/ No system was required by other countries until recently .

17) What about converting my car to run on propane, or other cleaner fuel ?

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm#altfuel

Alternative Fuel Certified Retrofit SystemsUnder current California regulations, conversion of emission-controlled vehicles with retrofit systems to operate on alternative fuels, such as propane and natural gas, in lieu of the original gasoline or diesel fuel is only allowed if the retrofit systems have been evaluated and certified by the Air Resources Board. The certification must be obtained by the manufacturer of the retrofit system and is issued by the Air Resources Board once the manufacturer demonstrates compliance with the emission, warranty, and durability requirements. View a list of certified retrofit systems for 1994 and newer model-year vehicles. (Word97 - 56K) or (Acrobat - 110K)

18) Kit cars. I want to take a car apart and import it as a kit car. Is this legal ?

Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.

Websites

Insurance Institute for Highway Safety crash test results -- http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ratings.htm

Crash test data - Edmunds / NHTSA - http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/crashtestdata/

NCAP Offset Crash test results - http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/mpaine/ncaplist.html

Code of Federal Regulations - http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html

Emissions Information - http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/40cfr86_02.htm
 

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Bars are good huh...Why was there always mention of them being altered when the topic came up? ..
The R32's early- early cars didn't have bars. The later cars have bars, but they are too high. The R33 has bars, but they are also too high. The R34 however has low and high bars. Actually an I beam running though the lower portion of the door. The Motorex cars, the R32, and R33 had altered door bars. The R34's the DOT accepted the bars that were there in the car.

With the glass. I had heard some things about glass too, but occassionally, when I was at Motorex, I would not tell everyone everything. If they said "need to replace the glass" , I would let them run with it. I am not sure if this is the case, but OEM Nissan glass for the Nissan Skyline GT-R's from 1989 up all had DOT AS1 glass for the windshield, and DOT AS2 glass for the side windows.
 

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I'm hoping this is the case, as I'm now certain I need a 2004-2006 (pre-Russian buyout, to be precise) TVR Sagaris in my life, in the United States.
Yes, nagging build quality issues, potential unlock button/door popper malfunctions, and no electronic driver aids to make me look like a better driver than I really am....I'll take the whole lot of it as either A)Show and Display importation or B)Assembled parts and Re-Assembled Car title in the state of MN, please.

:)

There are always going to be people like this, that want what they want. The law does not allow for this. There are some items associated with the TVR that could make it possible, but thats not the kind of information I say on a public forum.

You can try for show or display, thats an individual thing.
 

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And then you have to meet the states emissions laws from what I understand. So if its a place like CA you're pretty much screwed unless you can get around it with some kind of kit car registration. I think it would be kind of tough to get the CHP and referee to sign off on a production line Nissan as a kit car though.

If you seriously want a Skyline I'd just bring it in as a racecar. You see an occasional one up at Thunderhill every once in awhile.
Yes, You do need to meet state emissions laws, which in California are much more difficult to deal with. No rolling exemption, and them talking about making nearly everything smog again is a hassle. They need money, why can't enthusiasts just pay them $500 for - "smog deferral fee" and we skip that part ? Rather than chasing it around and around, just make us pay. I know a ton of people that would rather just pay and not have to deal with it.


Race cars are race cars. It must be built as a racecar from the factory. It can not be "converted" as per DOT and EPA rules. With that said, I have been involved with two Nissan Skyline GT-R Racecars. The first was already here, the 2nd one I helped to get DOT and EPA approval . http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-to-import-race-car-permanently-to.html
 

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There are always going to be people like this, that want what they want. The law does not allow for this. There are some items associated with the TVR that could make it possible, but thats not the kind of information I say on a public forum.

You can try for show or display, thats an individual thing.
PM'd you with a little bit of the info I have assesed....being related to my personal quest.

:)



I FIRMLY believe this can happen as well, though my findings are convincing me that only a Saggy would be eligible for Show and Display....unless some REALLY good convincing could be done to allow the "run-of-the-mill" Cerberas, T350s, and Tuscans in as well.


Christian
 

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I have posted up a few of my thoughts, and I let anonymous people post comments to my blog. If I wanted to , I could delete it, but I won't. I think it could be either Dustin in Florida, or maybe Jeremy from Canada posting that stuff. Both have a thing for Daryl..
I talked to Dustin in Florida today. We had a long conversation. He said he did not post any comments on my blog. It was a good talk.

Some people are out there talking, but not him.
 

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Nope, mine is a collectors car in NJ. Makes it 100% legal.
FYI, if you are own a Skyline or any imported non US compliant car in NJ, NJ DMV is going through their database to do visual inspections and document inspection, NHTSA and EPA paperwork, if they are not provided they are suspending the registrations and titles.

How do I know? I have a friend who received the letter and spoke with DMV.

John
 

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FYI, if you are own a Skyline or any imported non US compliant car in NJ, NJ DMV is going through their database to do visual inspections and document inspection, NHTSA and EPA paperwork, if they are not provided they are suspending the registrations and titles.

How do I know? I have a friend who received the letter and spoke with DMV.

John
Ouch...Wait until that spreads to states like Florida and Arizona.
 

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my friends got a 2002 R34 Vspec S-tune. im not sure if hes aware of the latest news about the feds trying to get the cars. his has apparantly been in the country for 4-5 years now, and was purchased from 6Speedonline.
 

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my friends got a 2002 R34 Vspec S-tune. im not sure if hes aware of the latest news about the feds trying to get the cars. his has apparantly been in the country for 4-5 years now, and was purchased from 6Speedonline.
Well can you elaborate on the registration status of this car? If it has only state tags but no EPA or DOT paperwork, then it's only a matter of time before they come looking for it. That car can fetch 6-figures, so if he can sell it in the U.K. or Japan, he stands to make most of his money back, depending on what he spent on it. Nismo won't even build an S-Tune right now for a customer from what I was told, so he has a very rare car. Good luck.
 

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FYI, if you are own a Skyline or any imported non US compliant car in NJ, NJ DMV is going through their database to do visual inspections and document inspection, NHTSA and EPA paperwork, if they are not provided they are suspending the registrations and titles.

How do I know? I have a friend who received the letter and spoke with DMV.

John
Based on this and other information I have received, I think that the government is cracking down in every state on non-compliant vehicles. I think if you have one of these cars, purchased one of these cars, that there is a chance you will be contacted by the authorities.

It seems, from what I have heard, that this is BIG, BIG.
 
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