I gave you one chance to say something we haven't heard 1000x over and like I thought you failed substantially.You sound just like a 13 year old that can't get his way so he wants to take his football and go home. It does not matter when I joined a forum, like having a million rants here give you some type of status with me....like I give a crap about that...lol.
I used the Corvette analogy because it is a different engine, but still a Corvette. Doesn't matter if GM built it or another manufacturer....it is a vette. Same as the McLaren F1. It had a BMW engine but you don't hear people call it a fake McClaren. All that matters is that it is a good car. The fact that you piss on the McClaren analogy and say it is irrelevant because of price is idiotic.
Do people call the Lexus LFA a fake Lexus because the engine and exhaust note is Yahmaha? Like collaboration is a bad thing. Guess what, Koenigsegg didn't always build their own engines. That does not mean the first K cars were not Koenigsegg. GM did not build the transmission on the C8...why not? Because it was cheaper to outsource it.
As far as reliability is concerned, you think Toyota doesn't know where BMW stands WRT reliability? They help oversee this new Supra creation to ensure it meets their standard regardless if you or any other nostalgia freak like it or not. YOU will not determine the success of this car just like YOU and those like you didnt help save the old MKIV Supra.
The facts are people who are fans of the previous gens Supras are butt hurt because they didn't get a new 3jz engine....period. Toyota was not going to spend millions if not more to develop another engine like that because as I said, people didn't appreciate it and so they outsourced the project to save RD money. Just like the LFA....too much to develop the damn thing to have it not be appreciated. They have been there and done that and obviously will not go that route again.
So stay in your love matrix with the old Supra. If this new Supra doesn't sell well the Supra will finally be dead and burried. You can then jump up and down to celebrate and say I told you so. Using the word Zupra says it all. You are a child that wants to spend others peoples money for the things YOU want. How about you take up a collection of your MKIV enthusiasts and give it to Toyota so they can make your "REAL" Supra.
If I sound like a 13 year old then you sound like you have the reasoning and logic of a 2 year old. What in my post makes me sound like a 13 year old? The fact that you don't like it? That I called out your false analogies? Or how your first post had no relation to what I posted?
The Corvette example is 100% wrong, having a different engine isn't the basis of my argument. The A70 had a different engine than the A80, still a Supra. The C6 had a different engine than the C7, still a Corvette. The Skyline BNR34GTR had a different engine than the R35 GTR still a GTR. But like I've mentioned before and someone mentioned above if they put a Ford Coyote engine inside of the C8 Corvette then the merits of that vehicles name can & will be called into question. But in the case of the Zupra its not just the engine, it's literally all BMW with the exception of exterior, wheels, and maybe interior buttons. Its not made in Japan or a Toyota plant so your poor example to the Corvette is fractally wrong.
Transmissions are outsourced all the time, no one here is complaining about that aspect of the car being developed by another company. If you read before you posted you would have saved yourself some embarrasment.
It does matter when you joined because you are simply regurtitating talking points from others that have already discussed and refuted past the point of no return. Tour post count doesn't matter but your wilingness to read does. Your LFA example is just as poor as your McLaren example. How is the LFAs creation in any realm similar to the Supra. Collaboration is not the issue. Passing off this car as the Return of a Toyota legend when its 95% BMW is the problem. The evolution of where this car's development began in 2007 to where it ended up in 2020 is the problem.You don't even know what level of oversight Toyota had in this process. You are spewing talking points you read in articles about the car that we've heard before. You are not up to date on the conversation of this car on this forum.
The fact that you mention we didn't save the MKIV is ironic since this new rendition has only been revived due to the JZA80 and the car community after it's end in 2002.
Side note: Of course I couldn't SAVE the MKIV Supra with my money in 1993, I was 8 years old at the time. But I bought one in 2006 at 21 after I finished my college football career. I would have joined this forum earlier but student athlete life is extremely busy.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Unless you can present evidence for the cost of the BMW partnership vs the cost to develop a new engine on multiple cars then your claim is dismissed. I have already pointed out that we didn't demand a "3jz" for the new supra, we wanted a toyota platform that competed well for the times. The b58 does not compete at the same level as the 2jzgte.
I don't want the car to fail but I will not champion it, most of the Supra community won't and Toyota has desperately tried for our approval. Get educated and talk to some on the OGs on here who kept the Supra name alive and well. There would have been no revival without their efforts over the years.
For someone who comes on this forum and uses terms like butt hurt, calls me a 13 year old, has a severe inability to understand fallacious arguments, it shows more about your character or lack there of than it does about mine.
If I'm a child then you're a poser at the car meet driving their mom's Camry claiming it runs 9s with a 200 shot of NAwws and cries when they aren't accepted.