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help with 2JZ history/origin

68K views 24 replies 21 participants last post by  95MKIVTT  
#1 ·
I didn't have much time to search.. I'm looking for any literature or documentation about when and where the 2JZ was produced. There is a local car guy that is an argument with me about this. He claims the 2JZ was designed and produced in germany, manufactured in the same plant as his BMW 335I engine, and was raced in F1 cars before it made the production in the MKIV supra.

To sum it up this kid just comes with with a lot of bullshit all the time, i'm sick of it, and I'm just trying to shut him down.

From what I understand the 1JZ head was produced by Yamaha, which toyota is the biggest share holder of, and the bottom end was produced by toyota. I'm not sure about the 2JZ.

Thanks for your help.
 
#2 ·
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_JZ_engine

The 2JZ-GTE is an inline-layout, six-cylinder, belt-driven dual-overhead camshaft, air-intercooled, twin-turbocharged, cast-iron block, aluminium cylinder headed engine designed and manufactured by Toyota Motor Corporation that was produced from 1991 until 2002 in Japan. Development and evolution of the engine was, principally, a response to Nissan's relatively new and then-successful RB26DETT engine which had achieved palpable success in FIA Group A and Group N touring car championships, worldwide. Final development of the 2JZ-GTE was outsourced to German engineering firm Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik GmbH for refinement to meet production car homologation requirements set forth by the former All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship.

The addition of twin turbochargers, jointly developed by Toyota with Hitachi, in sequential configuration had raised its commercially-cited output from 230 PS (169 kW; 227 hp) to the contemporary industry maximum of 280 PS (206 kW; 276 hp) at 5600 rpm.
Not sure how reliable this information is from wikipedia.
 
#19 ·
Degree your always making me laugh with your comments !! Hahah Plus having ODB as your avatar is just lol ...

Wiki is 100% wrong (not uncommon). The 2JZ was 100% designed in-house at Toyota.

OP, you are correct. And Yamaha also helped with the 2JZ head. You are also correct that your friend is a tool.
^^ this !
 
#5 ·
I've ignored him and kept my mouth shut. Just wanted to prove him wrong on one thing...
 
#7 ·
He wasn't to far off, Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik helped with a big majority of the design. I believe he was also part of a few BMW projects.

It wasn't mass manufactured there though, but I believe some original test models were. But mass production happened over in japan after they figured out the cast molds.
 
#11 ·
I guess the person who wrote the wikipedia article about the 2JZ development is/was neither working for the Johann A. Krause Maschinenfabrik GmbH ("ThyssenKrupp Krause GmbH" now) nor Toyota Japan.

A German who knows that company for more than 20 years wrote that he asked several employees, they never did any development or production for Toyota engines. In fact they never built any engines/transmissions/... for OEMs but they make/made production equipment for assembly lines.
 
#14 ·
I have asked them about whether they were in any way related to the development of the 2JZ and they reassured they weren't. That Wikipedia-Article is just plain bullshit. Why bother arguing with any ricers/fanboys?
 
#15 ·
im not expert, but them ppl in that thier video dont look german
 
#17 ·
Wiki is 100% wrong (not uncommon). The 2JZ was 100% designed in-house at Toyota.

OP, you are correct. And Yamaha also helped with the 2JZ head. You are also correct that your friend is a tool.
 
#18 ·
toyota nor bmw ever had an inline 6 f1 engine bmw only had thier inline 4 based out of the m10 engine, i beleive the op also wanted to know if the 2jz was produced in germany, which the video clearly shows that its made in japan, yes the design was outsourced and they probably hand made a couple of prototype engines, but it is a Japanese made engine, not german
 
#21 ·
Zombie bumping this thread. My friend that loves BMWs just told me that this Johann guy designed the 2JZ engine for Toyota. I'm trying to find information on it but having a hard time. I want to believe it was 100% made in house at Toyota of Japan, but I cannot find anything proving one way or the other.... and I can't really trust wikipedia either.
 
#24 ·
#25 ·
@HellBringer is right, The 2jz is completly Toyota much like the 1JZGE is. Many people assume that the 2JZ is a continuation of the 1jz it is but not in regards to the head in that it was also made by Toyota.
 
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