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· Captain Hammer
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MKIII87Turbo said:
Haven't seen this as a sticky yet.

Well I did this today on a tranny that is out of my car. I used (4) 5/16" aluminum washers on each of the 2 accumulators. It came out to about 1/4 in thickness. They were a little bit to large in diameter so I stacked them between a bolt and nut, put that into a drill and spun them on sandpaper to get them smaller. I also made a bracket that holds the cam for the kickdown cable open. All of this took about an hour to do. Since you are in there you should replace your filter. If I have the will to do it, I'll be putting this tranny in tomorrow. I'll report on this and see how it works out.

I know on this tranny (91) it does not have the solid rod, and the springs in the top are held in with snap rings. The B-2 accumulator has 1 spring on the bottom, and the C-2 has 2 springs on the bottom. (I forgot where they went and had to look at the TRSM) The shims do go into the same place though.

This is a temporary tranny for me and the original one I take out will get a full rebuild with Kevelar or Rabestos Blue frictions.
Good luck on pushing it to the limits! I really plan to put it to the test, 170K transmission, these mods, with a good cooler, and 500HP to beat on it, but be smart with it, and just see how well it does, the most likely failure at gross power is going to be a planatary gear breaking..
 

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Synthetics? Or half and half mix?

I am starting on cammed 1J twin BPU/nitrous car and I will be using an auto so this is very valuable to me. Thanks!
 

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Mike 92LX said:
Synthetics? Or half and half mix?

I am starting on cammed 1J twin BPU/nitrous car and I will be using an auto so this is very valuable to me. Thanks!
Ive always run Dexron with a bottle of lucas.... no problems yet
 

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This is sweet information!!! i was thinkin about how to go about making the automatic stronger and i guess this is the way to do it. about how much power do u think this would handel?

U said that unles u dont care for ur neck or ur tires spinning on everyshift dont shim it more, does this mean that if u shim it for like 2/3 instead of 1/3 itll literally break yo neck? lol

Also that port that u cant block, thats isnt where the shim goes, its where the accumulator jammy sits right?

EDIT: i just read up more on this and from what i read, the first to second gear Sprag is the weak link and it will actually strip or break. i dont really know all that much about auto tranies, or about what this Sprag thing is but i was just wondering if doing the things stated in this thread will help that or not.
 

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nosechunks said:
This is sweet information!!! i was thinkin about how to go about making the automatic stronger and i guess this is the way to do it. about how much power do u think this would handel?

U said that unles u dont care for ur neck or ur tires spinning on everyshift dont shim it more, does this mean that if u shim it for like 2/3 instead of 1/3 itll literally break yo neck? lol

Also that port that u cant block, thats isnt where the shim goes, its where the accumulator jammy sits right?

EDIT: i just read up more on this and from what i read, the first to second gear Sprag is the weak link and it will actually strip or break. i dont really know all that much about auto tranies, or about what this Sprag thing is but i was just wondering if doing the things stated in this thread will help that or not.
Well, I cant give you aproximant amounts of shim that'll start to hurt you physicaly. But there is a point that it will hurt you. Thats why I suggest 1/3, it works great without putting too much kick into your shifts.

In regaurds to the sprags breaking, that is the weakest link next to the overheating, smooth shifting characteristics of the A340E. Im doing some material research, and investigating the costs of building new gear sets out of a high strength alloy. Im really going to be testing out the basic mods once I get my car back on the road, the transmission has 175K on it, will have these mods done, and the motor is going to make 500+hp... I will find what breaks.

The biggest thing you need to remember is to drive smart, A wise choice is to get a remote controler for your boost controler, and at the drag strip launch at lets say, 12 psi, then just past the 60, once you are hooked up and moving, hit it up to 24 psi...(depending on your setup) That will help your transmission last longer as well.
 

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lol yea i kno i was just kidding about when it would actually hurt u, im currently building my motor up and swapin from auto to w58 because it was cheap and my autos getting kinda wornout. im gona build up the auto over the winter and swap it back in for next summer and im really likin these things im finding out on how to make it stronger. so far the only thing im worried aobut with this tranny is the sprag gear thingy.

one more question, if i were to leave the throttle position cable hooked up as it was stock just maybe tightened a little bit would it still shift really fast just with a little less kick? or since the line pressure would be less would it shift slower as well. likei said im not all that knowlegeable about automatic trannies.
 

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Not applying full presure by binding or locking the kick down in the full position won't really adversely or positively affect anything, a slightly tighter then stock setting would work well. Dean Marcum says earlier that he has his set to stock spec, and makes just over 400hp. That is a choice/preffernce item.
 

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Well, if making it shift fast is just a matter of shimming the accumulators, then how would you make it shift harder? or is that all in the line pressure in the tranny?

MKIII87Turbo, any updates on how this trannys working?
 

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Shimming the accumulators makes shift time shorter, locking the detent open increases line pressure, which makes the "harder" shift. You will feel more from the shimmed accumulators, but they work best togather.

And for the problem transmission, that would shift into Reverse when going into O/D was caused by a C-0 accumulator spring installed in the wrong side. We'll get more information on it later, when I have some more time to get pictures and such..
 

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It is so embarassing I contemplated not coming forth, but having this unique ability to laugh at my own idiocy sometimes and to help others with this mod, I have to tell on myself....

When I took it back apart and after I had verified that there were no cracks or warpage of the trans, I slowly and carefully put it back together and found, with help from these pages from the TSRM, the spring problem.
With my handy-dandy dial vernier caliper I found that I had somehow gotten the springs mixed up (a hazard of doing the job with the tranny in the car I guess) maybe a C-2 or B-2 in the C-0 position. I don't know if it was finding reverse or first, I'm not sure which one, when shifting to OD at about 50-60 mph. All I know is it left two nice black skid marks on the pavement before I had time to push the button again. Of course when I saw that spring was about 200 thousanths too short I knew immediately.
This time I went back together with about 5/8" shim which is violent to say the least but not at all uncomfortable except at slow speeds. I also think that I would benefit from a single driveshaft, it seems to be rough on the carrier.
I know that I initially did some damage to this tranny after the rebuild and I'm not happy with the place that rebuilt it. I know I roasted it at least once, I was running 1.1 bar or so, and I can smell the burtness in the trans, I've since turned it down. Had I known of this mod that may not have happened although I do think it's too much for the 340 to handle. We'll see how long it lasts with this mod, so far it is a huge differance. If it doesn't survive I will do the build myself once before giving up and going GM.
Many thanks to Jared and company for this mod I think my last tranny may have survived had I known this. I do think just about anybody (except for me it appears :lol: ) could do this mod with the tranny in the car with the help of that green dissolving grease or two people holding the pieces in the right spot, although certainly the right answer is to take the tranny out. Good luck folks and here are the TSRM pages.

http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/at/AT_136.html

http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/at/AT_137.html

If I think of anything else I'll edit and I'll keep you updated.

Mark
 

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so when u were running 1.1 bar it was slipping? what did they rebuild it with? with 5/8ths of a shim does it cherp second and third? and what did you do with the cable? did u lock it wide open or are u just running it stock spec?

lol sry for the questions, just trying to find out as much as i can about this, the more and more i hear the more and more i want to put my auto back in.

on another note, would a shifter like the B&M star ratchet shifter work on these trannies? it says work on most 3 and 4 speed trannies. so i figure it would shift from first to third and then have a switch for overdrive right?

Oh yea one more thing for raven, is it possible to get rid of the gear to gear pause when manually shifting from L to 2 to D with out having to buy the paddle shifter thing???
 

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nosechunks said:
on another note, would a shifter like the B&M star ratchet shifter work on these trannies? it says work on most 3 and 4 speed trannies. so i figure it would shift from first to third and then have a switch for overdrive right?

Oh yea one more thing for raven, is it possible to get rid of the gear to gear pause when manually shifting from L to 2 to D with out having to buy the paddle shifter thing???
1. If I remember, isn't the B&M for manual throttle bodies? I don't think it'll work on the a340...

2. The transmission is electronicly controled, so the only way to get exactly what you want is to use the electronic shift control(paddle thing) BUT doing this mod causes you to have quicker shifts between those gears, it shortens the time, so it'll acheive what you want. Are you looking to drag race your car? Beacuse in most cases, letting the computer do it's own thing is alot better. I use to shift the gears myself going down the track, and then decided to leave it in a drive and see what happened, I picked up 2/10ths doing it that way...
 

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I still haven't gotten the tranny in yet. Will probably try this weekend. After 3 hours trying to get the top bolts out, I gave up. Going to take the tranny crossmember off and drop the rear down and see if I can get to the top bolts better.
 

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nosechunks said:
so when u were running 1.1 bar it was slipping? what did they rebuild it with? with 5/8ths of a shim does it cherp second and third? and what did you do with the cable? did u lock it wide open or are u just running it stock spec?
Yes, it definately was slipping (note that this was BEFORE this mod), it was rebuilt w/blue rabestos (so they said, I have my doubts), with an extra 1-2 clutch. I burnt it so bad on a 1-2 shift I could smell clutch pack. It sure seems ok now tho, I need to flush it again.

Yes, chirp is a polite way to put it. It bangs REALLY hard, so hard I'm a little worried about the rest of the drivetrain. Also, I think that 5/8" is about all you can go, it gets hard to put back together and is probably the equivalent of no accumulator at all.

Yes, cable is locked wide open. IMO you must lock it all the way open, I think the only reason Toyota didn't is that you can actually hear the fluid flowing at idle. It's the only thing that keeps your pressure really high at low rpm.
 

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MKIII87Turbo said:
I still haven't gotten the tranny in yet. Will probably try this weekend. After 3 hours trying to get the top bolts out, I gave up. Going to take the tranny crossmember off and drop the rear down and see if I can get to the top bolts better.
You need to drop the rear of the tranny down quite a bit, then put about 4 feet of extensions together, piece of cake then.
 

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ok, so these acumulator mods, kevlar clutchs, and a kevlar band, 4 runner trans pan and big trans cooler should do it right? id rather have o/d then go th400 like i was planning. great writeup btw.

also, im always hearing about adding clutches. how hard is it to do this? what are the benifits other then what ive heard about firmer shifts and any cons? sorry if it sounds stupid, i am a noob when it comes to auto's.
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raven97990 said:
1. If I remember, isn't the B&M for manual throttle bodies? I don't think it'll work on the a340...

2. The transmission is electronicly controled, so the only way to get exactly what you want is to use the electronic shift control(paddle thing) BUT doing this mod causes you to have quicker shifts between those gears, it shortens the time, so it'll acheive what you want. Are you looking to drag race your car? Beacuse in most cases, letting the computer do it's own thing is alot better. I use to shift the gears myself going down the track, and then decided to leave it in a drive and see what happened, I picked up 2/10ths doing it that way...
Yea i was just wondering for like around town just shifting it manual every once and a while

Well the b&M shifters can be used on 700r4's and ive seen them on trannys with just shift kits so i guess you dont haveto have a manual valve body, only reason i ask is becasue i absolutly have the stock shifter. its all wobbly and retarted looking and uncomfortable.

MRD40Z: wereu running a tranny coller at that time when it was slipping?
 
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