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Hi guys, tomorrow I have to replace my clutch in the Supra. It is a MK3 with a 1jz swap with a W58 transmission. When I did the swap 1600 miles ago I put in a 6 puck clutch disc and did a burnout that ended up creating enough heat to weld the clutch to the flywheel. Sooo now I have to do this all over again

When I put the clutch in last time, I had the engine out so it was a bit easier but this time I am pulling the W58 from the bottom. I’ve seen videos of the r154 being dropped but I have not seen one about the w58. The person drained the tranny fluid on the r154 when he removed it and I was a little confused why. Do you have to do this on the w58?

Any tips or tricks for the clutch replacement with be awesome

also I am running arp flywheel and pressure plate bolts, does anyone know the torque specs for them. I know the factory specs are something like 47.5nm + 90* turn
 

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Hi guys, tomorrow I have to replace my clutch in the Supra. It is a MK3 with a 1jz swap with a W58 transmission. When I did the swap 1600 miles ago I put in a 6 puck clutch disc and did a burnout that ended up creating enough heat to weld the clutch to the flywheel. Sooo now I have to do this all over again

When I put the clutch in last time, I had the engine out so it was a bit easier but this time I am pulling the W58 from the bottom. I’ve seen videos of the r154 being dropped but I have not seen one about the w58. The person drained the tranny fluid on the r154 when he removed it and I was a little confused why. Do you have to do this on the w58?

Any tips or tricks for the clutch replacement with be awesome

also I am running arp flywheel and pressure plate bolts, does anyone know the torque specs for them. I know the factory specs are something like 47.5 +90* turn
Bummer dude! Hope your new clutch lasts longer. Be nicer to the clutch during break in and it'll last a lot longer. Keep it to like 50% throttle max and lots of gentle accel & in-gear decel to help break in the clutch nicely for the first tank of gas at the very least. Some advocate for 500+miles but depending on the specific clutch material that's not always necessary.

You'll want to drain the gear oil out because as you're dropping the transmission and lowering the tailshaft housing, gear oil will leak out of the rear seal since the driveshaft is removed. :) Yes that'll happen with the W58 or the R154 so drain your gear oil.

Loosen the engine mounts first, then disconnect the trans mount and lower it all gently with a small trolley jack or floor jack. Loosening the engine mounts will allow the engine to tilt backwards but be careful of coolant hoses/vacuum lines etc that might pinch between the firewall and back of the cylinder head.

Get a shitload of extensions. I mean a shitload of them. Wobble joints too. It'll be a lot easier to get those two top bellhousing bolts and both starter bolts by running a shitload of extensions and getting a proper prybar under the car past the transmission than trying to loosen them with a smaller ratchet wedged into some shitty spot.

Being a W58 you don't need to worry about the clutch fork like the R154 so no worries there.

I'd recommend you remove the shifter because that leaves a lot less to snag or get in the way when you're monkey flatbacking a transmission under a car.

Otherwise it's all pretty straightforward. Make sure you have a clutch alignment tool before you try to reassemble the new clutch & flywheel! You probably have one from first doing the swap it sounds like, but just be sure you have a new one with the new clutch or know where your old one is.

When reinstalling the transmission, take your time and be patient when trying to get the input shaft of the trans properly aligned. If there's any one time when you should have 3-4 homies with you to push something around, that's the time. You can absolutely damage the input shaft and input shaft bearing if you get pissed off and in a hurry and try to ham it all together when it's not fully aligned. Ideally, see if you can borrow a proper transmission jack from someone as that makes that process 1000% easier. But I've done it with two floor jacks and a couple of buddies many, many times.

Have two guys under the car - one basically under the engine at the front of all this, spotting the angle and install itself, and the second guy keeping the trans stable on top of the floor jacks while getting it aligned, and ready to help shove the transmission up against the engine - he'll be lying alongside the trans on the far side of both jacks - and a third guy alongside the car just running both jacks and carefully following guidance from the spotter/installer dude. A fourth guy at the tailshaft to help push it all together helps a lot too.
Makes for good bonding time with the homies, with music going and pizza and all that good wrench time with the boys kinda stuff 🍺Wear gloves and eyepro!

Hope that helps!
 

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Thanks a million! Loosening the engine mounts seems like a good idea to get the angle correct on there. I’ve got to go find a place where I can find some good gear oil now, hopefully someone carries that Redline MT-90. I’ll try this out and let you know how it goes!
 

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Thanks a million! Loosening the engine mounts seems like a good idea to get the angle correct on there. I’ve got to go find a place where I can find some good gear oil now, hopefully someone carries that Redline MT-90. I’ll try this out and let you know how it goes!
If you filled it up fresh 1600mi ago as I bet you did, honestly I'd drain it all into a CLEAN container and just reuse it after the clutch job. Ideally use a distilled water jug that's totally dried out & drained so you have zero cross contamination from any other petroleum product. MT-90's expensive stuff these days and there's no reason to discard 1600mi old MT90 if its clean and uncontaminated.
 

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I remember when I pulled my w58 I used 2 skateboards and floor jack lol. Would have been so much nicer to have a transmission jack I would highly recommend renting one. Also put down a tarp or something just incase a little fluid comes out the tail end. Don't know if you'll need it but I also put a new rear main seal when I did mine since the transmission was out of the way already.
 

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I don't know how much space is between the back of the engine and the firewall in the supras, but in my cressida I was able to get access to the top bolts by removing the gearbox crossmember and supporting the gearbox on a floor jack, then slowly lowering it until it got as low as it possibly could. I was worried about straining the engine mounts, but several thousand miles later and they're still good.
This created enough room to use 3 feet worth of non-wobble extensions to remove the two top bell housing bolts. From personal experience, a bare minimum of 900 mm of extensions would be required, so almost 3 ft. You may want to put something thin yet tough behind the cylinder head in case there are pointy bits that might poke into the insulation, as is what happened with mine when the rear coolant hose's spring clamp tore a hole in it.
Even though the extensions were non-wobble, there was still enough play in them that they gently curved over the distance, but tilting the whole engine+gearbox without loosening the engine mounts, there was still enough room for the 3 ft worth of extensions to be ramrod straight, which was a bonus because those bolts were stuck, and there was no room for an impact. I just decided that I myself was the impact wrench, and wailed on each bolt for about half a minute or so until they finally loosened up.
The upper starter bolt can be accessed as well doing this. The lower one I got to from beneath the engine. The nuts were a pain in the ass due to the lack of space to get a wrench to hold them in place while I loosened the bolts.
If you don't have a rear main seal puller, get a long screw (at least 50mm long) for screwing into metal, filedown the end so it's blunt, then drill a pilot hole into the seal between the sides of the seal (you don't want to damage that, the section between the crank and the housing is fair game) then while keeping the screw as straight as you can, screw it down and keep turning it, you should eventually feel it bottoming out, keep turning and it should slowly push the seal out. Then use that old seal to hammer the new one in, don't forget to lube up the sides of the new seal with a coat of oil.
If replacing the gearbox output shaft seal and like above don't have a dedicated seal puller, and are taking the gearbox apart, you can take off the rear half, hammer off the dust shield, then grab a crowbar and wedge it under the seal then hammer it out. Alternatively, just buy one of those seal pullers, never used one myself, but apparently "it just works."

I remember when I pulled my w58 I used 2 skateboards and floor jack lol. Would have been so much nicer to have a transmission jack I would highly recommend renting one. Also put down a tarp or something just incase a little fluid comes out the tail end. Don't know if you'll need it but I also put a new rear main seal when I did mine since the transmission was out of the way already.
I dropped my old auto using the floor jack, and then while I was lowering it I forgot about the radiator lines and it fell off...managed to drag it out far enough to get the bell housing on an old creeper, then the output shaft on a dolly. Never again. After that fiasco the alloy W58 was a walk in the park, relatively speaking. Just ended up lifting it on the same floor jack, then when it was close enough, rested the rear half on my knees, while bench pressing and wrestling the gearbox into position. It was surprisingly easy doing it this way.
 

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I seem to recall that a long 14mm wrench can be used from above for those top two bolts, depending on your engine bay situation. Been something like 5 years since I last did the transmission job though, so I might be mistaken. Not job I particularly care for. Even though I have a lift and transmission jack, it still sucks to wrestle with a hunk of metal that weighs as much as you do, even if you are tough.

Oh, and not sure why, but everybody (myself included when I was younger) seems to think bellhousing bolts, being as large as they are, need to be REALLY tight. Not at all the case. Look up your torque specs for the job. ;)
 

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The memory of the swap is still fresh in my mind. I don't think there is room even for one of those offset wrenches.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bolts just got stuck over time. Mine had a bit of corrosion on the threads that was responsible for me having to pound on them for up to a minute before they broke loose. I don't think they had ever been touched since the car rolled out the factory.
My gearbox filler plug seems to have suffered the same fate as well; whoever tightened it on previously seemed to have tightened it so much that the washer got squeezed out, I didn't bother replacing it because I couldn't really wait, so I torqued it up to spec and then when I tried to take it off recently, it seemed to have gotten absolutely stuck and I rounded it off. Have to fill it through the shifter hole now until I'm bothered enough to take it to a shop to weld a nut or something to it to get it off, not much clearance for a socket there.
 

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Hey guys, thank you all for the great responses! Everything went smooth and I got that new clutch and flywheel installed. The old clutch disk had actually welded to the pressure plate so that was my issue as predicted but I’m just happy that it wasn’t on the flywheel so I could remove it. For those top two bolts I ended up using about a three foot extension with a swivel socket either 14 or 17 I can’t remember and was able to break them free. When reinstalling the transmission I tried to do it without removing the cat but ended up having to and I just left the rest of the exhaust installed. I filled the transmission through the shifter hole as well.
 
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