Installed the Innovate Wideband O2 today...

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TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · Nov 23, 2003

The install on the car was VERY easy and everything works great. The "tune" is about what I expected though...11.1:1 in the upper RPM's and of course those readings are from the street.

I am getting ready to hook the unit up to the computer and look at my recorded data.

Just thought that I would give an update on everything. BTW...I mounted my sensor about 18" or so from the outlet of the turbo.
This kit even comes with a plug, so you can take the sensor out when you are not tuning it and just plug the hole. I just thought it was kind of nice not having to go out and find the correct size, correct threads, etc. Just an extra touch to the kit quality in my opinion.

Later

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TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #2 · Nov 23, 2003

Just downloaded my graph of a run to the computer. Holy crap...I didn't think it was quite this rich.

It STARTED OUT at 11.2:1 (which is what I saw glancing at the meter during a pull) and then goes to 10.7:1 and then dips WAY down on the top to 9.54:1 and comes back up to a 9.9:1 at 6600 or so RPM.

That is exactly how the car used to act on the dyno with stock twin turbos and the AFC/VPC combo zeroed out...PIG rich up top. After tuning that all out the car picked up a bunch.

Software and everything is VERY easy to use as well. This product is very nice especially for only $349.

Later

VeilsideTT

· #3 · Nov 23, 2003

How are you comparing RPM to AF without the RPM converter or did they finally release it?

TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 23, 2003

VeilsideTT said:
How are you comparing RPM to AF without the RPM converter or did they finally release it?

They did release the product, however I don't have it yet.
I only know where the upper rpm's are because I knew exactly when I was going to let off the gas before I even logged the run. On the curve I can tell where I let off because it goes straight up lean then. I have a real good idea of where the lower RPM's start, but can't be positive on that.

I am more than likely going to get the RPM converter as well though...$99 isn't too bad. That will be the only thing that I would really want to finish off the whole system.

Later

94WasagoodYR

· #5 · Nov 23, 2003

have they come out with their guage?(i think that is something else they were working on), something other than the large unit that can show the A/F.

Thanks
Jarad

TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 23, 2003

94WasagoodYR said:
have they come out with their guage?(i think that is something else they were working on), something other than the large unit that can show the A/F.

Thanks
Jarad

I do not beleive that is out yet. They said that it would be out shortly though...I guess that really could mean anything though. I am sure they were working on the RPM converter very heavily though first. Since it is out now...they can start on the display heavily.

Later

VeilsideTT

· #7 · Nov 23, 2003

TT_6SPD_95 said:
They did release the product, however I don't have it yet.
I only know where the upper rpm's are because I knew exactly when I was going to let off the gas before I even logged the run. On the curve I can tell where I let off because it goes straight up lean then. I have a real good idea of where the lower RPM's start, but can't be positive on that.

I am more than likely going to get the RPM converter as well though...$99 isn't too bad. That will be the only thing that I would really want to finish off the whole system.

Later

Those bastards. I gave my name and number to every employee there to make sure that they would call me the second it was released. Yeah, for $99 I think its a deal especially since it can log way more than just RPMs. Anyway, thanks for the info.

Last I heard the gauge isn't out but you could always just get a regular AF gauge. The programmable outputs on the unit make it very easy to hook up any type of gauge to the unit.

94WasagoodYR

· #8 · Nov 23, 2003

Veilside, how is the a/f guage working for you? is the needle quick to respond or does it have some lag issues with a/f changes?

Thanks

VeilsideTT

· #9 · Nov 23, 2003

I got the Stewart Warner AF gauge that just has LEDs. My car has barely been running since I installed the WB but the response seems instant. Before I bought it, I was very concerned about response time of these cheaper gauges but this one is fine. I think they have a reputation for being slower when they are paired with the crappy stock 02. How slow could it be, it gets a signal which lights a corresponding light...

TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 23, 2003

VeilsideTT said:
I got the Stewart Warner AF gauge that just has LEDs. My car has barely been running since I installed the WB but the response seems instant. Before I bought it, I was very concerned about response time of these cheaper gauges but this one is fine. I think they have a reputation for being slower when they are paired with the crappy stock 02. How slow could it be, it gets a signal which lights a corresponding light...

...but when you are going through 4000rpm within 1.5 seconds and trying to log every a/f ratio coming out of the wideband...that is where the slowness comes into play. I think you pretty much have to have a computer to look at all the info to get accurate readings all the way through the RPM range...this is from my experience so far with the Innovate Handheld unit display.

Later

VeilsideTT

· #11 · Nov 23, 2003

I wasn't trying to say that you can tune with the gauge, I'm just saying that it doesn't lag to the point where you could be running lean and not know until its too late. I have the first red light on the gauge set to light at 13.0:1. I do it as a warning so when I see red I know to let off. The gauge seems to coincide perfectly with the readout too. I agree that trying tune without logging is pretty much imossible. Even with a friend in the passenger seat, the RPMs just move too quickly. Thats why I'm gonna order the RPM converter Monday.

neonafk

· #12 · Nov 24, 2003

nice job tony,

im glad you like the product.

where do you put your unit, so it ca display A/F. it looks great, just no gauge yet right?

Brett

TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #13 · Nov 27, 2003

neonafk said:
nice job tony,

im glad you like the product.

where do you put your unit, so it ca display A/F. it looks great, just no gauge yet right?

Brett

I just put it in my passenger seat for now or right beside me. I haven't really found a good spot for it yet...I have only used it a couple times since I got it. Don't really have a WHOLE lot of time to drive the car since I am working on a lot of projects right now. I did just get my RPM converter in today though...hopefully I can tune the car by the weekend.

I am not sure when they are coming out with the gauge.

Later

G

· #14 · Dec 9, 2003

where did you get your wideband tony? also it comes with the display right?

TT_6SPD_95

Discussion Starter · #15 · Dec 10, 2003

xweaponx said:
where did you get your wideband tony? also it comes with the display right?

It comes with a handheld unit (display), bung, O2 sensor, manual, software for logging, logging abilities already there, cables, cigarette lighter adapter all for $349.

Take Care

SoCalDawg

· #16 · Dec 11, 2003

Anyone have a link to their website or for that matter where to buy one of these kits?? I have a friend with Subaru STi that would really like to log this stuff and can't find anyone with logger for the car. Thx,

Lagtime

· #17 · Dec 11, 2003

SoCalDawg said:
Anyone have a link to their website or for that matter where to buy one of these kits?? I have a friend with Subaru STi that would really like to log this stuff and can't find anyone with logger for the car. Thx,

www.innovatemotorsports.com

I just installed one in the Supra yesterday. It's great.

SoCalDawg

· #18 · Dec 12, 2003

Lagtime said:
www.innovatemotorsports.com

I just installed one in the Supra yesterday. It's great.

Thanks Chip!

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