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Is the car scene DYING?

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#1 ·
Was reading some interesting topics, reminiscing and realizing the obvious decline to the car scene that I've been raised up on.

I've noticed that most of my old school buddies have not only grown up, but have sold their cars, or just don't take them out often. Most of the new kids I see don't do anything more than new rims and a stereo. Most are more into the mods on their iPhones vs. their vehicles. I do think things have changed drastically from 10 years ago.

I used to find a race almost everytime I took my car out. I used to see tons of riced out Hondas prowling the streets (and we're talking about Newark, NJ here). Now adays, I can go out for a cruise, late night/weekends through the typical streets or hang out spots, and not find a single modified car around.

Any comments?

http://mikerioux.com/is-the-custom-car-scene-dying/

".Is the Custom Car Scene Dying?
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In one very short descriptive word, Yes. Look at it however you wish, the custom car scene hit it’s heights in the late 90′s and shortly into the 21st century. You want to know why? Well let me tell you…

The custom car scene, whether it be domestics, imports, V8′s, turbos, bikes, etc lives on innovation and design. Through the past two decades we have pretty much done everything we can do to a car. From electronics to engine mods and swaps, it all has been done. I sat down with a couple of friends recently, with whom I used to street race with years ago, to discuss what we though about the current “scene”. So to satisfy our curiosity we headed to the local hang out spots to see how things looked.
The parking lots that used to hold hundreds of cars weekend after weekend now hold maybe a 1/4 of what they used to. Now the size of the crowd wasn’t the real concern, it was the lack of quality in the cars, their modifications, and over all passion for REAL tuning. In order to be a tuner back in the day you had to know how to really work on a car. You understood what made a car faster or a stereo louder. You knew how to read a dyno chart and how to shift to stay within your car’s power band. You took the time to learn subwoofer box design and how to squeeze an extra few decibels out of them.
And again, what honestly can we do to cars that have not already been done? Much like fashion we find ourselves making several trips back to the well and hoisting out old looks and mods. We’ve swapped all kinds of motors into everything. We have put all available A/V tech known to man inside of a car with limitless amounts of speakers and TV’s. We’ve built beautiful pieces of art with sheet metal and composites. Rims have gone from small to big and now back to small. Paint has gone from crazy and wild, now all the way back to the matte black finishes of rat rods. There is nothing else. If you can think of something that hasn’t been done I would love to hear it. And don’t say putting a beer keg in the back of a Civic is new, it’s been done already. Hell we even have cars that transform into mobile DJ booths and tailgating centers.
Now you cannot completely blame the current generation of tuners. New cars I believe have advanced in sophistication to a point where the home tuner can only do so much with them. Computers and technology have done some amazing things for us in the auto industry, but at the same time have out paced the learning curve of most. Things have become plug in play with computers controlling more and more functions within the vehicle. This kind of checks the typical tuner out of the game.
Which leads me to my final piece. I think the majority of those who were in the game in its glory days have simply gotten older. Our lives are more complicated with an ever growing amount of responsibilities. The torch was never really passed along because the car scene’s flame burnt so hot, that the flame quickly faded. The unwritten rules and traditions did not transition over.
Sure there will always be an underground car scene. But I think that the trendiness, if that is even a word, has finally worn out. You won’t find groups of hundreds, you will find small groups in their secret spots no longer out in the open for public display. The real tuners will never go away. We still meet up every now and then, grab a beer and talk in a language laced with motor codes, specs, and times. That fortunately, will never die."
 
#3 ·
It seems to be a factor of things.

- Economy (no money for toys)
- Younger crowd is priced out of the market
- Newer cars already come with so much power, why modify it
- SMOG / Police crackdowns
- Internet (cars as a hobby not in teen's minds, most teens don't have a license until 19 or so)
- MPG and carbon footprint now the sign of times

When the muscle era ended, I'm sure tuners of that time thought the same thing. The tuner era seemed to add fuel to the scene. I do wonder if electric vehicles will be the next tuner scene...
 
#4 ·
I second that it's the current economic climate affecting disposable income. Guys that loved cars when they were young still loves cars when they are old. You'll notice that the upper-tier cars are still keep plenty of performance car shops busy. I have a few friends in town that cater to Corvette and Camaros and their shop is busy. Everyone knows about the UGR success, and so on.

It's not a product of the realization that assets produce income, and liabilities cost you money. If I had $20 million in assets, you'd best believe that I'd have an Aventador done up by UGR, and I don't even know what colors it comes in right now. But the reality is, I don't even drive or bother installing the mods I bought for my Supra years ago because I think more about my business now than the car.
 
#5 ·
This has been discussed not that long ago here.

a lot factores into this.. pretty much what dre99gsx above mentioned though.
 
#6 ·
The "scene" is dying in part by the fact that people are finding new avenues to enjoy their cars. The same people who street raced, played F&F back in the day or "tuned by building sub boxes" as that article states have now gotten older and matured into other forms of the hobby. Plenty of people are now autocrossing or participating in track days, going to one-make shows or events, going back to grassroots legal drag racing, etc.
 
#7 ·
You know one thing about the internet is that a lot of people can sit at home and look at builds, races, shows, dynos, and a full discourse on just about anything that interests them in the car world. Do that for a week, and they can easily feel like they've been around and seen it all, and it becomes harder for a lot of people to appreciate an individual's work and attention to detail when they've skimmed through top dollar builds and aerospace-grade craftsmanship from everywhere in the world all day. In many ways, they are right, even though there are a remarkable number of cars that don't end up on the internet, and still plenty of things that you'll only learn from a face-to-face chat at a gathering. Still, why make the trip out when there's so much to entertain the senses online, ya know? It's just that it takes so much more nowadays to garner and maintain interest when the entire world is participating in a car show.
 
#41 ·
You know one thing about the internet is that a lot of people can sit at home and look at builds, races, shows, dynos, and a full discourse on just about anything that interests them in the car world. Do that for a week, and they can easily feel like they've been around and seen it all
I think it has a lot to do with newer people being priced out of the market.
It all comes do to... " You gotta pay to play" + The car scene has always been an expensive hobby.
The people who kill the scene are the brand loyalists and elitists who drive their.car to a meet, park by their buddies with the cookie cutter.copy of their car, talk to only people who have similar.cars and scoff at the rest like they dont know that they have the onky car that matters, these people kill the scene because they are boring, no individuality, and drive off the people who go look at car shows for the wow factor

I run a pretty large local forum and there is actually a lively and aggressive car scene even here in liberal old Madison. They key to keeping it going is to keep bringing in new young people. All the statements above are exactly what I see here and do my best to fight.

The guys with the money and the brand loyalists go to where the young kids are with their slow cars and try to intimidate them and make fun of them for being slow. These assholes tend to forget that we all started out in the lot with the slow cars and it took a long time to build up to what we have now.

These kids see cars get picked on for being ricers or having rusty Hondas by the older guys. They can't afford to build a car in one winter so they give up, go home and watch races on you tube and stop coming out to cruise or race.

Trying to bring old school muscle car guys together with younger import guys has been a huge task for me, but we've had a lot of success. Over the last 3 years the shift of power has starting to swing from the old guys in their domestics to the kids that used to have slow evo's and hondas because those kids have kept pushing and building their cars and they finally caught up. Next summer should be a blast and I need to finish my 2J swap haha
 
#8 ·
I think it has a lot to do with newer people being priced out of the market. I don't know anyone who got into cars late in their life. Cars have come a long way in the last 10 years. The thought of putting in so much time and money to end up with an old car that is slightly faster and a lot louder, compared to just getting a new, nice car to begin with is hard to negotiate.
 
#24 ·
I think it has a lot to do with newer people being priced out of the market.
This is a big part of it, especially since the unemployment rate for young adults is very high, much higher than the "9 percent" (in quotations because the ture number is much higher) that the government quotes. It doesn't help that people coming out of college are having a hard time finding jobs, to the point that many are having to move back in with their parents.
 
#9 ·
I'm gonna go the other way on this, for some people, it really may seem like the scene died out, and to a certain extent that's true, actual import drag racing events have cut way back obviously, however I don't agree with the fact that the "legitimate" street scene has died out, sure there are about half the people out as there were years ago, however, the people that died off are the people with exhausts and stereos in their civic, the people who "subwoofer box design and how to squeeze an extra few decibels out of them", and the people who liked to just sit around in parking lots, alot of the people who gave everyone something to watch are still out here doing it a decade later, There might be half the people in the parking lot, but does anyone really mind losing the kind of people that were lost? The actual car scene where there's no 250hp cars burning out in parking lots, stereo contests and lambo doors is still going as strong as ever (tx2k anyone?) Anyone who wants to see this first hand just go to one of the ISP meets, you can find people racing around here every night of the week, sure it's a pretty dead in the winter, but you still see action, IMO the actual crowd that we all want to see, is just as big as ever. I can only speak for the mid-a, and maybe it's different in other parts of the country, but I honestly think the car scene has gotten better over the past year with the loss of alot of the ricer crowd, sanctioned import drag racing events, that's a whole different shitty story.
 
#10 ·
Economy no money for toys.

Younger crowd is priced out of the market.

New cars are easy for young people to get.

Really it's not easy for people to finance a 10+ year old car.

Most Supras are cash customers now days. IMO

I think most people are asking way to much for used Supras if you find a 94 TT 6spd with 38K miles for $30,000 why would another guy ask $42,000 for the same car but with twice the mileage?
 
#11 ·
Supras in the states are holding their value well considering the economic climate. Here in the UK almost everything with regards sales and even meets has halted as people tighten the purse strings. With petrol here set to increase by 33 pence per litre next year I cab only see things getting worse for the car scene!?!
 
#12 ·
in reading all the posts i have to agree with most of them, but here in the cleveland area, there are at least 2 car shows at different locations everynight of the week, drawing about 200 cars per show, mostly older 60's/70's/80's/90's and all makes and models some very new cars, (very few sport cars) stock/mod everything you could think of and see. owners put a lot of time and effort into making their car a thing of beauty. i rarely take my 97 stock to these shows , but when i do , i am the only supra there and the car attracts a lot of attention, most people have knowledge of supras existing , but rearly have seen one up close and personal, i guess when u are a car nut u are a car nut.
 
#16 ·
Fast cars aren't for everyone.
To a certain degree I like stanced-out cars.

At least with the "stance" people, they are still out there and modifying their cars.
 
#14 · (Edited)
dying..... eh i doubt that.. a LOT of us will cling to the car scene til we die.

its up to us to pass the enthusiasm on.

im sure it has declined though. police have become more wise and laws have been adjusted accordingly, etc. that tightened up on the ways of old. the scene is just more underground now.

recently i was down in washington state and a huge caravan of tuners drove by yelling out the window at my friend and i, in his 700whp pump/meth mk3 supra and my 700whp pump/meth mkiv.
we didnt follow them as we were headed back home to vancouver and it was like 10pm...

things like that are like a glimmer of hope in my opinion. plus we would have dominated all the cars anyway. pretty much gauranteed :)

that wasnt all the encounters we had that night. saw another mk3 on the highway and played with him.... saw a bodykit/rims 350z that didnt want any of us but there was a vibe.

thats just a few of my thoughts on it. well most of my thoughts i think lol

i didnt read most of this thread but Degree raises a good point. there is an unfortunate trend heading towards hellaflush type tuning where you aim to put the most insane fitment rims possible on a car to achieve some kind of cartoon like overall look.
ive been visually raped by this trend on facebook lately and i think its a bit sad.
to me, form should follow function. especially with modified sports cars.

hella flush station wagons and honda civics are ok with me. but keep that stuff off supras and gtr's and s15's (though its been minimal on those specific models thankfully)

i think its VIP in japan. something about that and the bozozuku or whatever theyre called, is where it started. those are cool to look at... at car shows. but really we cant knock them, its a new breed and it has its merits.
im more of an engine guy myself, looks are just a bonus.
i like my cars to bark and bite, and sound mean as a result of the function. its harder to do such a thing nowadays and my arguement will always lean towards 1) police wisdom 2) amended laws 3) eco friendly, etc 4) economy nut cinching
but we gotta keep it alive

even though modded electric cars might be kinda cool if we can improve their performance ;) but for now were gonna need 2 of the big bottles by tonight and displacement OR boost.
 
#17 ·
dying..... eh i doubt that.. a LOT of us will cling to the car scene til we die.

its up to us to pass the enthusiasm on.
I did my part to add one more "New" enthusiast to the seen as I gave my 26 year old son one of my Supras 6 months ago.

I'm real proud of him no ricer parts and he even puts a car cover on it in the garage at his house.
 
#15 ·
I guess I am considered the new generation of tuner. I am 22. I started at 16 with my riced out civic. 19 Mazdaspeed 3, fully bolted w/ meth. To now 22 and I have a 94 hardtop singled. Honestly I think we all went through that ricer stage at younger ages because it's cheaper and easier. But I grew and wanted more and more and more power. Now I'm shooting for 600-650whp in the next couple of months. I don't think its dying it's just a little harder now with "economic problems". And the older car enthusiast are still into power and the younger into custom/accessories (scions). I think they will learn just as I did and this revolution of the car scene will just keep going around and around. So I say no to it dying, it's just idling right now.
 
#18 ·
The "affordable import" scene has definitely died, but the car scene as a whole hasn't. In fact, I see more modded higher-end cars these days than ever before. Porsches, Lambos, etc.

The American V8 is the weapon of choice these past few years, however. Tons of modded Vettes, Camaros, and Mustangs. Lots of LS engine swaps and full-boat pro-touring cars.
 
#29 ·
This is absolutely true. Much of this due to the cease of production of import tuner cars under 30k that can be built easily to make power (IE, Evos, Stis, Supras etc), places like California that their emission and modification laws make it hard to do engine modifications on a small displacement import car, and the abundance of LS motors and aftermarket making it easy to modify any of those cars and still meet requirements all around.

The only Japanese import that can do that right now is the GT-R and that car is very far priced out of many people's markets. STis are still around but as I said before people who live in places with emissions laws like California are going to be very limited on what they can do.

As mentioned before the import car scene nowadays has pushed itself away (mostly) from F&F bodykits and engine power modifications and now is more focused on visual mods like hellaflush and all the stance stuff. Like a friend of mine on another forum said "Its a way to make up for having a slow car" and as fucked up as it sounds I agree with him.

Don't worry though, there are still high performance imports out there and I have a good feeling there will always be as some of the cars are getting older and emissions exempt as well as newer import tuner platforms continually being created to push out more power and be just as tunable.
 
#20 ·
Past/old school:
Work on the car late night and weekends

New school:
wheels that dont fit and slam the thing till you can hit a pebble on the road, followed by fusa, led's everywhere, and green rims.

Everything is a cycle, IMO the hella flush thing is just the body conversion of Supra or R34 tail lights on everything of the past, it will die and something else will come. There will always be the true enthusiast that keeps the torch alive.
 
#23 ·
I agree 100% about the kids my age being total idiots when it comes to cars. Honestly maybe 3-4 kids in my whole county know anything about cars, I'm not talking just imports or just domestic but any type of cars/trucks. 90% or the guys in my class just want mom and dad to buy them a new merc, or bmw and if I wear my precision shirt I get asked at least 5x a day "What's a turbo?" or something similar. Honestly, I had a kid try to tell me a STOCK F250 would outrun a 1000hp supra, his argument was "The supra has a v6, the F250 has a v8. Power doesn't matter the 2 extra cylinders is what will make it win" I wanted to hit him so badly just for being stupid.

Oh and the kids who do get cars bought, are just as stupid. A kid in my class got a new EVO X for his 16th birthday, then tried to tell me it had a v8.... But their are still some of us younger kids who are actually into tuning and building cars, but their isn't many.
 
#25 ·
The custom car scene, whether it be domestics, imports, V8′s, turbos, bikes, etc lives on innovation and design. Through the past two decades we have pretty much done everything we can do to a car. From electronics to engine mods and swaps, it all has been done.
Worst thought process of all time. Just because the author thinks it all has been done does not mean it has.

Economy is my thoughts. That and crazy epa.
 
#30 ·
I agree too man. There are thousands of people who do the same modifications to their cars. Not everyone who modifies their car wants to be one of a kind or different. The guys who modify the performance of their cars just want their car to perform better and the guys who change the appearance of their car want to change the look of their cars.

@dre99gsx The car scene does strive on innovation but its not going to stop people from modfying cars and as much as we think everything has been done to a car there is always something that we can innovate on. Also there is always new technology coming out for cars.
 
#27 ·
The economy has a part in it yes. But in my area you notice more people with built cars 400+hp type cars rather then the 190-210hp civics of old. Imo yes part of the car scene has moved on but the better half has stayed as always the guys who truly can wrench are still out there its a lot of your "ricer" crowd that has fallen out.
 
#31 ·
My scene died because of the police.
Even though I don't street race or cause trouble of any kind, I cannot even drive the car casually down the road without being harassed.
Its as if even the slightest aftermarket modification is an automatic red flag. I never feel comfortable in any of my modified vehicles despite
following the rules. I just don't want to deal with the stress anymore. You know its a sad feeling when you enjoy getting behind the wheel
of your pickup truck because you know you won't draw any attention of any kind.
 
#34 ·
Couldn't agree more, not sure about other areas but i simply dread driving my supra(s) for the worry of getting police attention. What fun is a 500whp+ singled supra if all you can do is follow the speed limit? This singled handled as either driven most of my friends out of the screen or turned them into events only enthusiasts. whom show up to meets and the track when time permits. I know for our area atleast speeding 15+ over posted speed limit is reckless driving which quickly snowballs into getting a lawyer, court fines, points on license and increased insurance rate. Easily a $1,000 for a few minutes of fun. And lets not start about dealing with exhaust tickets, emissions, and some terd burglar stealing your pride and joy.
 
#33 ·
In DFW and Houston the "fast" car scene seems to be getting bigger and faster. Now 800rwhp cars are the norm in some circles
 
#35 ·
California, and Virginia are tough:( A lot of my friends that were into cars a few years ago, have gotten married, etc, and while they still like cars, they don't really do anything with them anymore. For me its my passion, I don't have any real other hobbies, and I will mod anything I get my hands on, whether it be a skateboard, bmx bike, wife, 4x4 etc. I guess I will be a car guy for life.