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In an effort to avoid an accident tonight, I slammed on my brakes to miss some dumb-ass kid in a Taho whom ran a red light. My car skidded to a smoking halt. After I stopped and regained my composure I began to accelerate and noticed a thud..thud..thud..thud..ect. I put two flat spots on my crappy Kuhmo Supras. My ABS light has been coming on lately and obviously it no longer works. My question is how does one go about diagnosing the problem? My car is a 94 auto TT. I need to fix this before getting some new Yokahama AVS 100s. Is there some kind of scan-tool, or can you just retreive the codes just like the engine codes?

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Emergency stops can be performed with out flat spotting tires or ABS. The younger generation has lost the art of brake modulation and has been spoiled be ABS. Sorry to hear about your tires, but the lack of ABS did not flat spot your tires. Keeping your wheels locked did.

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so basicaly, your not able to modulate your brakes? thier is a thing called threshold braking, ever heard of it?
 

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I guess you guys don't understand the severity of the situation! I probably missed the guy by less than a foot! I had absolutely no time to react. And YOUNGER GENERATION... How old are you? No 18 year old here. This occured on slick asphalt @ about 20 degrees. I am very lucky to have the front end of my CAR! I do know that ABS would have modulated my brakes in this situation thus saving my shitty Kuhmos.
Any Takers on diagnosing the ABS system??
 
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Give him a brake guys (no pun intended :D ) , it sounds like he panicked and locked up his tires, hell ive dont it a few times when the road is wet, the trick is to let off quicky so you regain traction (thus braking force).
 

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If your car is equipped with ABS, you are supposed to brake as hard as you can and let the system do the work for you, so he reacted exactly as you should. I doubt that you could threshold brake with the interference of the ABS. Of course, if you know how to do it and practice threshold braking, in a lot of cases your braking distances can be quite a bit shorter, as long as your car isn't ABS equipped, or you disable it. I've been there myself and there really is no time to think, it is a trained reaction.
 

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All I am saying is if there was time to flat spot the tires, than there was time to modulate the brakes.

I didn't intend on changing the purpose of the thread, now lets give the guy some help.

You don't need a scan tool to get the code. You can use a jumper wire in your diagnostics port and get the code to flash on on the check engine light. You basically need a manual to know where to connect the jumper wire and what the codes mean. Check www.mkiv.com. I believe they have a manual on line.

BTW I will be 38 in 2 months. :(

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Steve,

To be fair, if you put your foot into it, expecting ABS and don't have any, you're probably going to take time to adjust. And if it's never happend to someone before, this will be the result.
 

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Well Steve, I guess you have 9 years on my young ass huh. And yes when you hit the brakes and expect the ABS to work and it does not... Um now what? I have a feeling it is a wheel speed sensor, but I can neither confirm nor deny that. I have had extensive experience working on my supra, but I have no experience with ABS.

Thanks for the info guys!
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I would agree that it is more than likely a wheel speed sensor.

Nine years makes a difference, when you condiser that most cars went to ABS in the late 80's and early 90's. In 1990 I was 24 and had already owned about 4 cars without ABS and competed in several autocrosses. You were 15 and hadn't started driving yet (except with maybe a permit). By the time you owned your second car it more than likely had ABS.

I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am merely trying to point out that most people who started driving in the mid 90's and later have never been able to learn the skill of threshold braking, because the cars have been doing it for them. Even if the individuals have been using the cars in autocrosses and roadcourses this is a skill that is being lost. Since I believe most Civics don't have ABS, maybe this is one instance that driving a Honda would be an advantage. :)

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List of cars owned:
89 Ford Escort Gt bought @ age 15 No ABS SOLD
90 Grand-Prix Mclaren Turbo edition ABS SOLD
99 Ford Contour SE No ABS
97 Ford F250 Turbo Deisel ABS
94 Surpra TT ABS
02 Lexus rx 300 ABS

0 accidents
9 speeding tickets

Steve; I thought you were trying to bust my balls there at first! And no offense taken! Wee coo! ;) Just trying to figure this ABS out. And yes ABS does spoil you. I understand that it is worse in straight line dry braking, but better in inclimate weather. :p
 

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Steve Jarvis said:
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You don't need a scan tool to get the code. You can use a jumper wire in your diagnostics port and get the code to flash on on the check engine light. You basically need a manual to know where to connect the jumper wire and what the codes mean. Check www.mkiv.com. I believe they have a manual on line.

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You probably need the FSM. I am not sure that mkiv.com has this?!?
I know that you check it differently than other engine codes, etc. Different connectors and you read the blinking ABS light instead of the MIL.
Good luck.

BTW - I take it you are not a fan of your Kumhos! From what you described, I suspect you would have flat-sided any tire you had on, so at least it was a less expensive one!
 

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Mayo on Weaver's computer:

If you wanna semi salvage your tires put them on the rear and burn em off till you dont have a thud thud thud:D Been there, done that:cool:
 

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VickSupra said:
You probably need the FSM. I am not sure that mkiv.com has this?!?
I know that you check it differently than other engine codes, etc. Different connectors and you read the blinking ABS light instead of the MIL.
Good luck.

BTW - I take it you are not a fan of your Kumhos! From what you described, I suspect you would have flat-sided any tire you had on, so at least it was a less expensive one!
I absolutely hate the Kuhmo supras... although I have entertained the thought of the MXs. I also thought about putting them on the rear and burning the shit out of them because they are nearly new.:D It might just happen because my wife fucked up a linkage in her contour lastnight!:( I have the Supra down for valve cover gasket replacement and polishing along with power steering pump replacement right now:( Damn I spend more money on cars!
 
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