A bit of a long post but hoping I can get some guidance from the OG’s here with some oil pressure analysis.
Let me preface by saying the engine was built and wrapped up this passed summer, oiling system details as follows:
-GTE block with deleted squirters
-VVTi head conversion with PHR oil feed conversion
-Chase bays thermostatic oil sandwich adapter (pressure reading from here)
-Setrab 19 row oil cooler mounted where oem intercooler was (went with this set up due to the oem oil cooler being trash from previous bearing failure)
-Drift motion modified oil pump
-Oil temp reading directly from the oil pan
-Redline 10w30
When the engine was first started and put on the dyno to start breaking it in, we started with 10w40 per my engine builders specs but found pressure to be high (i dont remember the exact numbers) so we dropped down to 10w30 and pressure sat at a slightly better number but still seemed high to me.
At this point I was seeing 35psi at idle, 85-90psi @ 2000-3000rpm while cruising and spikes to 106psi during redline pulls.
My oil temps sit around 170F with some peaks after harder driving to 185F, no sure if this plays into things or not but thought I would include the info.
I started reading about optimal oil temperature and from what I gather the temps im seeing are on the cooler side and it should be closer to 190-195F for normal operation and occasionally up to 205F to remove any moisture in the oil.
At this point i started thinking the oil cooler may be a little big so completely blocked air flow to it but that didn’t really do much.
Not sure how much a 20F variance in temperature would play into relieving some oil pressure though.
After getting the car back with its new engine, tune and making good power, it drove great but after 2 months and 1500 miles I unfortunately blew a cam seal on the intake side. My catch can set up is more than adequate with 2 x -10 lines going from the valve covers to the catch can in, with 2 x -10 lines out recirculated back into the turbo intake so we have ruled excessive crank case pressure out. The catch can was bone dry after 1500 miles.
So the only thing that sticks out at this point are the oil temps/pressure.
When my cam seal was replaced, my mechanic/tuner had a look at things and noticed I was running the PHR vvti oil feed conversion kit and came to the conclusion that there may be excessive pressure going into the vvti module due to the oil line being pretty thick so he added a restrictor to reduce oil pressure going into the vvti module. We're not certain this was even the issue but its a shot in the dark so time will tell.
I still think that my overall engine oil pressure is too high so I checked with my engine builder to see if it would be ok to drop down to a 5w20 weight oil and see if it helps reduce pressure a bit and he said it should be fine but not to go any thinner than that.
Put the car back on the dyno last week to check oil pressure and the only variable at this point is the restrictor on the vvti oil feed and 5w20 oil.
Unfortunately the thinner oil didn’t make much of a difference if any but we did get slightly higher consistent oil temperatures of 180-185F.
So now were a little stumped and the only other thing I can think of is to bypass the cooler to see if we can get the oil to stay around 195F but I don’t think a 10F change in temperature would alleviate oil pressure to a more acceptable range. Id think I need a drop of about 10-15psi across the board.
Im wondering if anyone’s engine is running similar pressure and temps without any trouble?
Am I way over thinking this?
Let me preface by saying the engine was built and wrapped up this passed summer, oiling system details as follows:
-GTE block with deleted squirters
-VVTi head conversion with PHR oil feed conversion
-Chase bays thermostatic oil sandwich adapter (pressure reading from here)
-Setrab 19 row oil cooler mounted where oem intercooler was (went with this set up due to the oem oil cooler being trash from previous bearing failure)
-Drift motion modified oil pump
-Oil temp reading directly from the oil pan
-Redline 10w30
When the engine was first started and put on the dyno to start breaking it in, we started with 10w40 per my engine builders specs but found pressure to be high (i dont remember the exact numbers) so we dropped down to 10w30 and pressure sat at a slightly better number but still seemed high to me.
At this point I was seeing 35psi at idle, 85-90psi @ 2000-3000rpm while cruising and spikes to 106psi during redline pulls.
My oil temps sit around 170F with some peaks after harder driving to 185F, no sure if this plays into things or not but thought I would include the info.
I started reading about optimal oil temperature and from what I gather the temps im seeing are on the cooler side and it should be closer to 190-195F for normal operation and occasionally up to 205F to remove any moisture in the oil.
At this point i started thinking the oil cooler may be a little big so completely blocked air flow to it but that didn’t really do much.
Not sure how much a 20F variance in temperature would play into relieving some oil pressure though.
After getting the car back with its new engine, tune and making good power, it drove great but after 2 months and 1500 miles I unfortunately blew a cam seal on the intake side. My catch can set up is more than adequate with 2 x -10 lines going from the valve covers to the catch can in, with 2 x -10 lines out recirculated back into the turbo intake so we have ruled excessive crank case pressure out. The catch can was bone dry after 1500 miles.
So the only thing that sticks out at this point are the oil temps/pressure.
When my cam seal was replaced, my mechanic/tuner had a look at things and noticed I was running the PHR vvti oil feed conversion kit and came to the conclusion that there may be excessive pressure going into the vvti module due to the oil line being pretty thick so he added a restrictor to reduce oil pressure going into the vvti module. We're not certain this was even the issue but its a shot in the dark so time will tell.
I still think that my overall engine oil pressure is too high so I checked with my engine builder to see if it would be ok to drop down to a 5w20 weight oil and see if it helps reduce pressure a bit and he said it should be fine but not to go any thinner than that.
Put the car back on the dyno last week to check oil pressure and the only variable at this point is the restrictor on the vvti oil feed and 5w20 oil.
Unfortunately the thinner oil didn’t make much of a difference if any but we did get slightly higher consistent oil temperatures of 180-185F.
So now were a little stumped and the only other thing I can think of is to bypass the cooler to see if we can get the oil to stay around 195F but I don’t think a 10F change in temperature would alleviate oil pressure to a more acceptable range. Id think I need a drop of about 10-15psi across the board.
Im wondering if anyone’s engine is running similar pressure and temps without any trouble?
Am I way over thinking this?