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We knew about the SKY, but now the RedLine edition - 260hp/260ft lb tq :)









Generals Motors has introduced the hot 2007 Saturn Sky Red Line. The new roadster was first previewed last week. This version “takes a strong-performing roadster and makes it a screamer,” said GM’s Bob Lutz. The car will be available at Saturn retailers this fall. The Red Line gets a boost in performance from an Ecotec turbocharged 2.0-liter engine, GM’s first direct injection offering in North America. It produces 260 horsepower at 5300 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. of torque at 2500 rpm, making it GM’s highest specific output engine ever at 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kw per liter) and the most powerful engine in the Ecotec family.


The car will be available at Saturn retailers this fall. The Red Line gets a boost in performance from an Ecotec turbocharged 2.0-liter engine, GM’s first direct injection offering in North America. It produces 260 horsepower at 5300 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. of torque at 2500 rpm, making it GM’s highest specific output engine ever at 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kw per liter) and the most powerful engine in the Ecotec family.

Gasoline direct injection technology helps the Ecotec engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system.

Direct injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy.

Other Red Line technical highlights include:

* Standard torque-sensing limited-slip differential
* Standard StabiliTrak electronic stability control
* Performance-tuned suspension
* Technical elements also standard on the 2007 Sky roadster include:
* Four-wheel independent short/long arm suspension for optimal handling and stability
* Coil-over Bilstein monotube shocks for excellent wheel control and road isolation
* Hydraulically assisted rack-and-pinion power steering for quick, responsive vehicle control
* Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS for excellent stopping performance
* Wide track for excellent stability and superior handling
* Near 50/50 weight distribution for balanced handling
* Structural tunnel design and hydroformed longitudinal frame rails for a stiff body that results in greater vehicle responsiveness and better overall feel


The Red Line also features several unique interior and exterior differences compared to the Sky roadster, including dual exhaust with chrome polished outlets, 18-inch polished aluminum alloy wheels, and specific front lower fascia with large brake cooling vents and black headlamp bezels.

The interior features a leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls, unique seatback and floormat embroidery, metallic sill plates, stainless steel pedal covers, Red Line-specific gauges and a digital boost gauge included in the Driver Information Center.

The Sky Red Line has numerous safety features, including dual-stage frontal air bags, GM’s Passenger Sensing System, four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS, side-impact door beams, three-point safety belts with pretentioners and load-limiting retractors, and more.
 

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2007 Saturn Outlook








Generals Motors has introduced its much-aniticipated Saturn Outlook SUV, which rides on the same platform as the Buick Enclave. Outlook offers seating for up to eight and combines the capability of an SUV with carlike driving characteristics. Powering the Outlook is the GM 3.6L V-6 VVT. The engine features variable valve timing, designed for high fuel economy, low emissions and exceptional smoothness. The uplevel XR model (with dual exhaust) provides an estimated 267 horsepower (199 kw) and 247 lb.-ft. of torque (335 Nm). The single-exhaust XE model is rated at an estimated 265 horsepower (198 kw) and 244 lb.-ft (331 Nm) of torque. The engine is backed by a new, fuel-saving Hydra-Matic 6T75 six-speed automatic transmission. Outlook is available in front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive models.



Outlook can be configured for seven or eight passengers, including two front bucket seats, a 60/40-split second-row bench (three passengers) or two second-row captain’s chairs (two passengers) and a 60/40-split third-row bench seat (three passengers). Leather seating surfaces are available.

GM’s industry-first Smart Slide feature is standard on all second-row configurations, allowing quick and easy access to the third-row seating area. The second-row seat cushion flips up while the seatback slides forward, effectively compressing the space occupied by the seat. It operates with one hand and enables adjustable fore/aft positioning of the second-row seat. When adjusted rearward, the second-row seat provides more legroom for taller passengers; when adjusted forward, it provides more storage space.

Outlook also offers generous cargo room, including an estimated 116.9 cu. ft. (3310.6 L) when the second- and third-row seats are folded. In fact, Outlook even offers an estimated 19.7 cu. ft. (557.9 L) of cargo space behind third-row seat when it’s in its upright position – capacity many other SUVs and crossovers cannot come close to matching. Also, a covered rear cargo convenience center allows items to be stored out of sight beneath the rear cargo floor. In addition, Outlook’s second- and third-row seats fold flat for even more cargo-carrying capacity.

Outlook rides on a long, 118.9-inch (3020.7 mm) wheelbase and wide, 67.28-inch (1709 mm) front/rear tracks – a combination that enables an exceptionally smooth ride and stable handling. Sharp ride and handling reflexes also are supported by independent front and rear suspensions. The front suspension features a MacPherson strut design, with a direct-acting stabilizer bar. Isolated mounting points help reduce noise and vibration. The rear suspension uses a compact, state-of-the-art linked “H” design, which also has an isolated mounting system that reduces noise and vibration transmitted to the passenger compartment.

A strong body-frame integral structure is the foundation for Outlook’s responsive chassis systems. The structure is reinforced in numerous areas with high-strength steel, including a stiff steel cross-car beam welded across the floor between the B-pillars. It also uses dual-phase steel is select areas, such as the lower engine compartment rails.
 

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2007 Saturn Aura







General Motors has unveiled the 2007 Saturn Aura — a production version of the concept shown last year. Uplevel models feature GM’s first application of a new six-speed automatic transmission mated with the 3.6L DOHC V-6, creating a powerful yet fuel-efficient package. Later in the 2007 model year, Saturn will offer the Aura Green Line, a 2.4L Ecotec-based hybrid that will use a powertrain system similar to the Vue Green Line. It marks the first application of a hybrid powertrain in a GM passenger car. When it goes on sale late this summer, the Aura will be available in two trim levels: the entry XE model and uplevel XR. Each model is well-equipped, with premium features and interior materials among the best in its segment.

Additional design details include a radio antenna integrated in the rear window, for a sleeker overall appearance, and a chrome appearance for the door handles on XR models. Standard 17-inch wheels and tires fill the wheel houses, enhancing the vehicle’s sporty, firmly planted stance. XR models come with 18-inch polished, 14-spoke cast aluminum wheels and performance tires.

Aura is available in nine exterior colors: Berry Red, Black Onyx, Bronzed Pewter, Cream White, Golden Cashmere, Midnight Blue, Ocean Mist, Silver Pearl and Techno Grey

Aura’s interior features include:

* Automatic climate control
* Center console with dual-bin storage and automatic sliding tambour door covering front cupholders and storage area
* Driver information center
* Optional power-adjustable pedals
* Available eight-way power-adjustable driver seat
* Optional heated front seats, available in cloth or leather
* Universal home remote
* Power windows with driver express up and express down feature
* Steering wheel audio controls
* Four-panel sliding Panoramic roof


A wide range of audio systems also is available, all from GM’s new family of premium radios that feature intuitive controls and flush mounting for enhanced refinement. A six-speaker radio system is standard and includes an auxiliary input jack for portable audio players. Saturn’s Advanced Audio System also is available. It includes an AM/FM/CD/MP3 radio with eight-speaker sound, a 240-watt amplifier and rear-seat audio controls with two wireless headphones. XM Satellite Radio is available on all models.

Saturn offers two powertrains at launch that provide the Aura’s power and performance for a refined on-road feel. Standard on XE models is the 3.5L V-6 with variable valve timing (VVT). This powerplant, mated with the 4T45-E, four-speed automatic, generates 224 horsepower (167 kw) and 220 lb.-ft. of torque (298 Nm ). The 4T45-E is a four-speed, electronically controlled, automatic overdrive transaxle with an electronically controlled torque converter clutch noted for its low noise, high durability and smooth shifting.

Uplevel XR models are equipped with the 3.6L DOHC V-6 with VVT, rated at 252 horsepower (188 kw) and 251 lb.-ft. of torque (340 Nm). This engine is mated with the all-new Hydra-Matic 6T70 six-speed automatic transmission, the first application of this important addition to the GM Powertrain portfolio. The transmission allows for strong performance combined with strong fuel efficiency.

In addition, the 6T70 – GM’s first application of a front-wheel drive six-speed automatic transmission – will provide the added benefit of Driver Shift Control (DSC), which enables the driver to manually shift through gears via steering wheel-positioned “paddles.”

The Aura is built on a stiff, robust chassis that serves as the foundation for a satisfying driving experience. The vehicle’s long wheelbase provides a smooth ride, while careful tuning of the suspension provides sharp and immediate response to driver input.







Saturn has stepped up there game in a big way lately and I really like the new design trends. The Aura is a very sharp looking sedan and with 252 hp on tap for car set to weigh around G6 sedan territory, it will have a bit of pick up, but not enough to lose the older adult crowd. The SKY RedLine should be a blast and looks great IMO, o fcourse the small tactile issues have yet to be seen, bu tis a good direction for Saturn.
 

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Wow, they don't even look like Saturns anymore. Good stuff! :bigthumb:

And that Sky has the torque way in the low end. Can you say no traction? :p
 

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How do you think the Aura matches with looks of the Zephyr. The first thing I notice is the Aura gives off more sport with the steering wheel and gauge cluster over the Zephyrs more luxurious feel and I don’t like the Zephyrs high dash, they dropped the ball on that aspect. Of interesting note is what Car and Driver (I believe it was them) said; they felt the wood in the Zephyr was nicer than that of the GS430, I know they mentioned the color specifically, but not sure if they were referring to the grain or the quality in addition. The sky is a real standout and I think the Aura will definitely cause people to think more, especially when they see the interior.

I think the sky is one of the few American cars that are not “last resorts” so to speak, just the same with the CTS-V, 300C SRT8, C6 Z06, and SRX, etc.
 

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I'm happy GM decided to make Saturn one of their "leading" brand. The exteriors, aside from the sky, still look extremely bad IMO but the interiors are stunning. I like where they are going with their interior design. Gaps seem small, quality seems upscale, let's just wait until I can actually drive/feel one. :)

Now, let's just hope for the death of Buick and GMC. :)

-Olivier
 

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GM's 4-cylinder lineup is nice a widely varied.

They have the standard Ecotech for bargain basement cars, Ecotech VVT for more premium small cars, Ecotech S/C for budget performance offerings, and Ecotech turbo with gas direct injection for premium 4-cylinder performance+touring.

All they need is a 9000 rpm capable Ecotech motor/accessory pkg. to round things out of purist driving pleasure.

It's tough to beat a D.I. turbo for specific output AND low rpm torque + fuel efficiency.
 

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I think GM is finally starting to get what their cars need to be. They have been so out of touch in the past 10 years it's sad.

Case in point: Aztek

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Yeah GM was really lost 5 years ago minus few examples. Now their 4-cyl. cars can be either helical roots-blown or D.I. turbo'd! Find that combo in an under $35,000 segment.
 

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Olivier Caza said:
I'm happy GM decided to make Saturn one of their "leading" brand. The exteriors, aside from the sky, still look extremely bad IMO but the interiors are stunning. I like where they are going with their interior design. Gaps seem small, quality seems upscale, let's just wait until I can actually drive/feel one. :)

Now, let's just hope for the death of Buick and GMC. :)

-Olivier
Have you seen a Sky or Solstice up close? I really like the exterior design but the interior is way behind with the infamous GM plastic interior.
 

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Olivier Caza said:
I'm happy GM decided to make Saturn one of their "leading" brand. The exteriors, aside from the sky, still look extremely bad IMO but the interiors are stunning. I like where they are going with their interior design. Gaps seem small, quality seems upscale, let's just wait until I can actually drive/feel one. :)

Now, let's just hope for the death of Buick and GMC. :)

-Olivier
i still am not a huge fan per se of the GM interiors... huge panles like the Solstice passenger side dash and so so designs for steering wheels etc leave me a bit unsatisfied, but I think that will come in time.

That new Buick Enclave is pretty cool looking, but yes, death to Buick and GMC.
 

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We knew about the SKY, but now the RedLine edition - 260hp/260ft lb tq :)

it's pound-feet (lb ft).

when in doubt, just think of newton-meters. we have all obviously never heard of a meter-newton. the distance measurement portion of the unit always goes last.
 

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Wob,

How do you think the Aura matches with looks of the Zephyr. The first thing I notice is the Aura gives off more sport with the steering wheel and gauge cluster over the Zephyrs more luxurious feel and I don’t like the Zephyrs high dash, they dropped the ball on that aspect. Of interesting note is what Car and Driver (I believe it was them) said; they felt the wood in the Zephyr was nicer than that of the GS430, I know they mentioned the color specifically, but not sure if they were referring to the grain or the quality in addition. The sky is a real standout and I think the Aura will definitely cause people to think more, especially when they see the interior.

I think the sky is one of the few American cars that are not “last resorts” so to speak, just the same with the CTS-V, 300C SRT8, C6 Z06, and SRX, etc.

The Zephyr I think was the wrong way to bring back that name - but I will say the Milan I have a little secret crush on - http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/milan/exteriorphotos.asp I think its got some sharp lines, a hard look without being offensive and a pretty nice looking car for that starts at below 19k. I dont think GM's interior design comes close to Fords yet though ( which isnt sky high to begin with ) GM still has some goofy crack head interior people, but Ford has been chiseling away at finding a good product. Mercury is a bit fo a drain I think on FoMoCo, but I have a little Mercury crush in general too - I think just being a bit of an underdog.
 

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it's pound-feet (lb ft).

when in doubt, just think of newton-meters. we have all obviously never heard of a meter-newton. the distance measurement portion of the unit always goes last.

excuse my dyslexia
 

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The Zephyr I think was the wrong way to bring back that name - but I will say the Milan I have a little secret crush on - http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/milan/exteriorphotos.asp I think its got some sharp lines, a hard look without being offensive and a pretty nice looking car for that starts at below 19k. I dont think GM's interior design comes close to Fords yet though ( which isnt sky high to begin with ) GM still has some goofy crack head interior people, but Ford has been chiseling away at finding a good product. Mercury is a bit fo a drain I think on FoMoCo, but I have a little Mercury crush in general too - I think just being a bit of an underdog.
That's funny you mentioned the Milan, I was going to ask you about that and the Fusion. The worst thing to my eyes with the Milan is the steering wheel, but when I came out of the supermarket recently I saw a White Milan with black leather and white stitching and thought they are trying to step it up, I gave it a few looks, I can understand your baby crush. For the money it’s worth looking at without question and if it’s as reliable as the current gen sable it will be fine.

What will be a test is the fit & finish and the build quality, which will become evident with time, even more so when your really using the car and traveling with 2 or more passengers. I wonder how the Milans interior will hold up especially in the vinyl on the doors and the leather on the front seats.
 

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Wow the Aura looks damn good. I can't wait to test drive a turbo Sky :)
 

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I wonder if the stabliity control can be turned off on the sky redline? I would be worried about it intruding on a car that probably doesn't need a lot of help to begin with.
 
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