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New BC traffic cameras resulting in a 500% increase of red-light violations

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#1 ·
Traffic cameras result in 500% spike in Richmond offences

17/03/2012 12:16:16 AM



CBC News
An increase in the number of red-light cameras at intersections across B.C. have understandably resulted in more tickets, but nowhere has the increase been as high as in Richmond.


Permanent cameras have now been installed at more than 140 intersections across B.C., where there used to be just 30 cameras rotating through 120 locations.

The increased surveillance led to an expected increase in tickets in most locations, but nothing like that seen in Richmond.




"Most of the communities that have cameras did see an increase. We had predicted originally that we would see a 50-per-cent increase program-wide, so that's about what we did see actually," said ICBC road safety manager Mark Milner.

Milner said the sharp rise in infractions in the Vancouver suburb can be partly explained by the way the cameras have been used.

"First of all, they didn't have cameras operating as much in 2010 as they normally would have. But then in 2011, they had cameras active for a much longer period of time than a lot of other communities," said Milner.

Long-time driving instructor Curtis Strelau, of Young Drivers of Canada, attributes Richmond's high offence rate to driver inexperience.

"It's new drivers, for the most part" Strelau said. "They don't have the experience in judging how quickly the car will stop and rarely do they check the mirror to know whether it is safe to stop or not."

His advice to drivers is to just slow down.


I thought you guys should know. This isn't only for Richmond but other areas and I can see them expanding their money making cameras from now on.
 
#6 ·
I haven't dealt with this, but I doubt it. Your car, your insurance, your responsibility regardless of who is driving.

Running reds is so stupid. One of the many inconsiderate things I hate about Vancouver drivers.
 
#7 ·
why would you want to run a red light anyway?

brb getting the supra t-boned by an old lady because you were too lazy to brake.

theyve had these cameras off and on all over around here for years. not sure if they even have film in them nowdays but they still flash.

if your gonna blow yellow lights, make sure you check the oncoming left turn lanes because 60% of the time everytime the person will turn when the light turns yellow. then its a game of t-bone chicken.
 
#8 ·
LOL - I *live* in Richmond, so I'm familiar with the problem all right, and this is just the tip of the ice, to be honest. Personally, I've got no problems with red light cameras. They've been here forever, and I've never been dinged. You really have to be pushing to get a ticket out of those things.

Intersections in Richmond are so damn dangerous in the first place, because a large percentage of the drivers on the road here come from a system where turning left has the right of way. You get used to having folks cut across in front of you when you live here. So, if you like your vehicle, you slow down for intersections, even if they are green for you.
 
#9 ·
Its funny, We have these stupid cameras in Winnipeg too.

The city actually got wayyyy less this year (2011) then they expected too.
The first few years everyone doesn't realize that the cameras are there but after that its almost second nature to just slow down at the camera's.

The city of Winnipeg (Ironically it spells COW in abbreviation LOL) actually was so butt hurt about it they have upped the police officers quota from 100 tickets a month per officer to 650!
I couldn't believe the cash grab they are trying to do now!

Their was actually an older man (probably 55-65 cant remember) who got a ticket for using his cell phone...when he doesn't even own one.
It was all over the news and is a huge deal now just proving the cops are just being fuckin useless pricks.
Its going to court and has spiked the interest of many city hall members.

I'm actually afraid to take my car out... I dont want a ticket for my car being to shiny or my rims being to big.. heaven forbid my gold lug nuts!
 
#11 ·
That sucks! I would be looking into having my car monitored 24/7 ASAP. Someone around here had a cab driver cut them off and he flew off the highway writting off his own car. Insurance was going to blame him 100% @ fault plus blame him for the city property damage of gard rails and such because he couldn't remember the license plate number but he got it all caught on tape and cab driver got the full blame.

I also heard something about somebody catching a crooked cop this way by having a camera in his windshield to monitor all his own actions and he got pulled over for something that he proved that he had never done. Had the conversation of the officer on tape also.

Doing this would be much better then a radar detector or a screen if you are not that wreckless driver.
 
#18 ·
You can not take a photo of anyone in the car showing faces, only the back of the head,
Hints why the camera is only on the beginning of the intersection (so it will only take pics of the back of the car)
I know this because of my film class back in school, got in shit by the cops for video taping people driving :(
 
#14 · (Edited)
Put up as many damn camera's as they want, The real problem in BC is ICBC. They're bastards through and through, and seems they will make up any law to fill they're pockets a little more. I wish there was someway a guy could have a petition made up to abolish the whole thing and be able to insure through any agency we please....... Like the rest of North America.

If a Redlight camera takes a picture of your face without your consent you can have the ticket thrown out of court because it's an invasion on a persons privacy and against their will. But either way, don't run red lights, That's why they put up the warning flasher for a changing light at most busy intersections.
 
#15 ·
I too live in Richmond, strange things happen. I will add this: as I have mostly worked in another city (Burnaby/Vancouver/Delta) and start work at 6am, I noticed a lot of people treating redlights like stop signs at 5am. Until now it was obvious where the redlight camera boxes were, and those intersections were respected. So finaly I got jelous of these people ditching 2 and 3 minute lights, pulling right up beside me and proceeding through, and Richmond is so grid like, you can see if some guy doing 200 is gonna hit you or not, so I started doing it. After about 2 years I forgot about a camera and got a nice arial photo of my car. I have stoped this behaviour.... Lol.

I had the same problem with HOV abusers, I got jealous, I got a ticket after a year.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Guess that makes up for all the gas you have been saving from not idling at red lights in a year. How much was it?

I live in Ontario and the reason why I started reading this was because I thought it had something to do with how ridiculous the lights are. But I kept reading it and thought about you guys (the punch line kept me interested) but a lot of people around here are bitching about how most of these lights work. If the city hasn't updated the intersection completely, civil/traffic engineers are just not up to date with how populated the area has been getting lately.

Even in the middle of the night, you will get caught at a red light when there are no signs of other cars or pedestrians trying to cross. So you’re stuck there for minutes before the pointless intersection changes. Meanwhile gas today here is 1.33.8/L I mean, it's a big deal.

2006 Ford F150 V8 idling with AC for 25 minutes burning 8L of gas. But pointless idling isn't the big issue it's accelerating to get up to speed is what really kicks the tank. A place like Montreal, there is a set of lights every 40 feet and you have to drive 15 minutes away just to get around the block. Gas is being wasted all over the place.

I love crossing the border to buy Canadian gas cheaper then what we pay in Canada.
 
#17 ·
Brings to mind a story from years back...

I was working late, in a place right next to an intersection. One of the 'smart' ones, that's supposed to stay green for most people, and change when needed via some sensor. A motorcycle pulls up to the light, and it's red. He stops and waits... for like a couple minutes. Then he gets angry, gets off his bike, walks over to where the sensor is buried in the street, stomps around a little, even jumping up and down and waving his arms. Think of a guy in full leathers and a full face helmet in the middle of the night, standing in the middle of the street, jumping around waving his arms.

Eventually, he walks over to the sidewalk and pushes the WALK button for the crosswalk, walks back to his bike, gets on and goes through when the light goes green along with the pedestrian crosswalk indicator.

He was probably there for 5 minutes, during which time there wasn't a single car in any direction.
 
#21 ·
Yeah I have seen cars trying to turn left. They wait too long then turn right then do a U turn to go the original route then get stopped at a red light at the original intersection :lol:

Once upon a time, my school bus got stopped at this ridiculous intersection for 10 minutes. It was routine for one of the older kids to get out and push the walkway button.

I want to go to college to study Civil Engineering to Engineer traffic. I have a great idea that would solve all this bullshit especially at night. To have the background of the lights itself to be solar panels to catch any headlights from a far to give a signal to the intersection to turn green in advanced so the motorist wouldn't have to brake or stop but to continue his route as efficiently as possible. But of course this would have to apply only for certain area's and time of day being at night. Another idea is to have sensors and weight scale to determine it's current priority. To move the higher volume of cars first before anybody else. Or to move the left turning lane untill it's empty and to have the other cars move ASAP insted of 15 seconds later.

Now a days people would take the long way to avoid intersections.