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"Nice Guys finish last" My unfortunate ending with larry McNeil and Innovations...

I've already spoken on the subject of Larry and his business dealings but let this be a warning to those who got stuck in the same scenario as I have with him. There's an old saying which i'm sure many of you have heard. It goes a little something like this, "nice guys finish last.'' Unfortunately, I found that out today from Larry. Without getting long winded on this, beaten to death, topic i'll get right to the point. After repated attempts to get ahold of Larry I was unsuccessful, as I hoped to get ahold of him because of hearing of him leaving the country. I always gave the Larry the benefit of the doubt even in knowing of him taking advantage of me, I offered him the opportunity to make things right man to man like a gentleman. Well over $50,000 later trying to salvage something from what was taken from me I tried getting ahold of Larry one last time with no luck, what a suprise ? Fast forward to today I get a call from Nero down at Titan who was gracious enough to pick up my Supra for me from the wrecking yard as they had placed a lein on the car for services and storage rendered. Thanks Larry for leaving my car for the birds instead of offering to take it to a safer place on your dime. I figured I could have counted on you to atleast offer to get the car removed and stored in a safe location after all I've been through right ? Wrong. I would think that after reading my story most people would attest to the fact that I have been pretty patient and pretty forgiving. Well, everyone has their breaking point and today I had mine. I made it CRYSTAL CLEAR to Larry that he needs to pick up the phone and let me know the what the future holds and what I need to do to get my car back. His wife frequents the forum and i'm sure she will jump in here at some point. And i'll be frank and up front some of what she says will be 100% true, other stuff im sure will get distorted making its way to the forum but hey ? whats a guy to do with no answers and zero communication with someone who has done you wrong ? Well I rattled his cage a little bit and the only severance i get is a restraining order against me preventing me from any further contact with him and no hope of ever recovering any of my losses. Where is the justice in this world ? How cowardly can you be ? Thats a rediculous way to run away from a problem and you know what its the guy who does the harm who will be protected by the law. Like I said, where is the justice in this world ? The guy who gets screwed is the one to face the music I guess right ? Sounds fair to me. All of those who have been kind enough to help me through this mess I truly appreciate all you have done for me but, at this point, keeping my future in mind, I have to ask that any future contact you may have with Larry on my behalf be cut off as i'd like to steer clear of the authorities. Unfortunately, this restraining order will follow me wherever I go and I sincerely hope it will not have any damper on my future or career. Burglar breaks into a home and sues the homeowner for hurting himself and wins hmmm, sounds familiar. Just a warning to any of you trying to recover and get back from Larry what was taken, be very careful you may just have a court ordered restraining order sitting in your mail box one day. "Nice guys finish last." Oh how true it is !
 

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Why you never: A) got the authorities involved in the first place is beyond me... And B) if no authorities, make it a damn good reason to have a restraining order against you by, I dunno, goin down there and kicking the living shit out of this douche bag...

I've been following this for over a year now, and I have to say, there is a point where "nice" goes out the window, and "reality" steps in... You basically let this guy and his wife trample you for years, and now, look where it lead you... Im sorry to see it, but Im sure there is some kind of legal recourse for you, have you talked to an attorny? Jesus, there has to be something you can do besides just sit and feel defeated...
 

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i no, people are lazy...i always read about how "this person fucked me over"...jesus christ people call a cop and get a lawyer, problem solved for everyone who has the problem....the only thing about doing that is that it costs money for the lawyer, the cop is free

EDIT: Why post here? We can't do sh**t about the situation
 

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Larry is a coward plain and simple. He has no intentions of fixing any of the problems he CREATED, his wife is just as bad as she lied to everyone's face the day as showed up to the shop. Larry lied to many saying that the shop was not closing, even after we talked to his landlord who was in the same boat as many of you with him.

Larry just remember, Karma is a bitch!!!!!!!!
 

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i no, people are lazy...i always read about how "this person fucked me over"...jesus christ people call a cop and get a lawyer, problem solved for everyone who has the problem....the only thing about doing that is that it costs money for the lawyer, the cop is free

EDIT: Why post here? We can't do sh**t about the situation
This guy almost lost every penny he had invested in the car, including the car itself. When a car is left too long at a shop or at a shop that no longer pays it's rent, the owner can put a mechanics lein on the car and take over ownership. A lawyer would have been very cheap given the situation and costs. I used to be on e of those people who "Would never sue anyone", unfortunately as I became more focused on business, I found it to be a necesssitiy because unfortunately not everyone is a good person.
 

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These are the types of people that the cops find in back alleys with a hole in the back of their head.

Edit: This guy needs to be careful because you never know who you are pissing off. People don't just fuck around with $50k
 

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These are the types of people that the cops find in back alleys with a hole in the back of their head.

Edit: This guy needs to be careful because you never know who you are pissing off. People don't just fuck around with $50k
word ,people like that get what they deserve man,sooner or later ,but they always do.
 

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Larry owes ALOT more than 50K... believe me. I wouldn't doubt that hes leaving the country because of this either.
 

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OK lets get a few things straight. I filed a restraining order against you because
1) Email received

weell you tell him he is going to have a 57mm pointed straight at his head
when i get down htere because his coward ass is trying to run away. Where
does he live ? He is going to be very sorry he fucked with me a second
time.



-Mike.


OK...Larrys problem not mine, I told you where he was going and gave you as much information I could.....HOWEVER

2) Text message received yesterday

Larry ur pushing me if u dont get back 2 me i will hurt you and if i cant find u i will hurt your children and that's a promise

Maybe you should of put that in your post...the 100% truth. Dont bother responding as I have told you Im over all of this
 

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While we are on the topic of Mechanics who run and don't fulfill their original obligations I just wanted to add as warning to anyone even thinking of taking their car to F & H PERFORMANCE. FERNANDO IS NOT A JUST MAN!! After almost 2 years and $12,000.00 i have built engine with absolutely nothing else to show for my money. I have no turbo,intercooler,clutch,AEM,Fuel system, downpipe,exhaust,driveshaft, and soo many other things that Fernando was supposed to come through on. I don't get any phone calls at all and when I try to call him He is NEVER available. The few times that I did get him on the phone he was so bothered to speak to me and then he hurries me off of the phone with a "You're at the top of my list" Or " I'm sending parts this week" Don't worry about it I'm definetly gonna take care of you" He took care of me all right with nothing. I know I sound like a disgruntled customer but all i did was give him everything that he asked for and that was the sums of money that he specified at the times when he asked. The cancelled checks made out to F&H Performance I still have as evidence and will keep for the legal case i have building. Fernando or his peeps I you are reading this "Just do the right thing and either send the rest of the parts to finish the job and I'll send you the rest of the dough we agreed on OR cut me a check for $4,000.00 ( that's the difference between what the engine is worth and what I already paid you ) And You'll never hear from me again!" Failure to comply with any of these options will result in me being a constant source of irritation to put it mildly. I will not rest until the whole Supra Community knows and is on notice of the Kind af man FERNANDO OF F&H PERFORMANCE is!!!
 

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OK lets get a few things straight. I filed a restraining order against you because
1) Email received

weell you tell him he is going to have a 57mm pointed straight at his head
when i get down htere because his coward ass is trying to run away. Where
does he live ? He is going to be very sorry he fucked with me a second
time.



-Mike.


OK...Larrys problem not mine, I told you where he was going and gave you as much information I could.....HOWEVER

2) Text message received yesterday

Larry ur pushing me if u dont get back 2 me i will hurt you and if i cant find u i will hurt your children and that's a promise

Maybe you should of put that in your post...the 100% truth. Dont bother responding as I have told you Im over all of this

I am not mad at you. I know there isn't much you can do nor did you, personally, do me any harm but did I say those things ? You damn right I did ! Would I actually do something like that ? of course not, but when someone steals tens of thousands of dollars from me, ignores me, tries to skip town without notice and gives me the runaround all this time you better believe i'm going to do whatever it takes to get some answers. I'm sorry you had to get involved but you know what ? I bet your rotten husband has and never had any intentions of trying to make things right. Silly me for thinking he might try to do the right thing. I'm not going to insult you or make and rediculous or uncalled remarks. I'd like this thread to be a warning or reminder to just what might happen to someone who has gone through what I have with Larry.
 

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OK lets get a few things straight. I filed a restraining order against you because
1) Email received

weell you tell him he is going to have a 57mm pointed straight at his head
when i get down htere because his coward ass is trying to run away. Where
does he live ? He is going to be very sorry he fucked with me a second
time.



-Mike.


OK...Larrys problem not mine, I told you where he was going and gave you as much information I could.....HOWEVER

2) Text message received yesterday

Larry ur pushing me if u dont get back 2 me i will hurt you and if i cant find u i will hurt your children and that's a promise

Maybe you should of put that in your post...the 100% truth. Dont bother responding as I have told you Im over all of this
who cares of he threatened you and your family... you've fucked him out of A LOT of money... you're lucky he's going to stop with your kids, others wouldn't be so kind...

It must be nice to just up and walk away from something saying "I'm over all of this"... what a fucking waste... on everyone's part.
 

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who cares of he threatened you and your family... you've fucked him out of A LOT of money... you're lucky he's going to stop with your kids, others wouldn't be so kind...

It must be nice to just up and walk away from something saying "I'm over all of this"... what a fucking waste... on everyone's part.
Agreed with you jon. I would not of text that crap i would of put a law suit on him hard and made his life impossible and then if it did not work I would of broke his ass along with his dumb ass bitch defending the whole situation. Your wrong and you will get yours one day. Dont worry dude it will all work it self out one way or another.
 

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who cares of he threatened you and your family... you've fucked him out of A LOT of money... you're lucky he's going to stop with your kids, others wouldn't be so kind...

It must be nice to just up and walk away from something saying "I'm over all of this"... what a fucking waste... on everyone's part.
word ,put yourself in his position and maby you will understand what the man is going through ,at leat he made threats,if he was a fucked up person he would have done worse
 

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you might as well sue, I think the judgement is good for 7 years. Anything he owns in the next 7 years you can just take. I remember my dad hiring the sheriff's office to take a guys corvette, tools, catering trucks, etc.. I bet he wont even show up for court, it will probably be an easy win.
 
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