Jim Swantko said:IF you think anyone is going to equate a Nissan with a Porsche - you are insane. I don't care how well it performs.. it's all about cache. Porsche has it - a gussied up G35 doesn't. Period.
I don't get the inference, but of course a GTR should sell more than a 911 Turbo. A lot more of them are made for the public than a 911 Turbo. Also more people can afford $70k vs. $130k. Two way different customers.RedBeauty84ZX said:In case you have a hard time reading:
Porsche 911 turbo = $130,000
Nissan GTR = $70,000
Big difference in price. And if you will remember back in the 90's when the R33/R34s were for sale in places outside of japan like europe and austrailia i'd think youd be very suprised how many more skylines were sold vs. porsches. Most of the world agrees that the Skyline isnt your average Nissan sentra much like the NSX isnt the average civic. And WTF about the G35? The GTR is in no way shape or form going to be a G35. The only reason the G35 is the skyline in japan is because 95% of skylines are 4 door non perforance vehicles.
Jim Swantko said:A Porsche customer will never consider a GT-R... a GT-R owner aspires to being a Porsche owner.
That pretty much sums up this situation.
Usually the prototype will look a lot better then the production version. And going off the of the prototype, this is going to be one ugly car. And the price point is going to be around 75k or so. So I still stand by my statement - Expensive and Uglykaneda said:so apparently you've seen the finished car and the MSRP before everyone else on the planet?
I don't agree with that at all. As a car enthusiast and as someone who has worked on and driven Porsches, I can honestly say I'm not a big fan. Yes, Porsche owners are some of the most loyal in the car world, but not all car people like them.Jim Swantko said:A Porsche customer will never consider a GT-R... a GT-R owner aspires to being a Porsche owner.
That pretty much sums up this situation.
RedBeauty84ZX said:Wrong. Porsche owners are very loyal advocates true, but not every auto enthusiest "aspires" to own a Porsche.
What abou the guy buying the 911 Turbo? Does that means he can't afford a F430?evsmotors said:True that no matter how well the Corvette or say a GT-R performs, it is still not on the same level as a Porsche. It will never have a lineage from a Manufacturer that has always made sports cars from day 1. The Porsche buyer is going to buy a Porsche regardless, they could care less about 0-60mph times. The guy buying the Z06 has little man mentality, which means he needs to be faster than anyone. I guess you can say a lot of Supra owners are like this. However Supra owners do demand build quality and comfort which the Supra does provide.
The guy buying the GTR wants a 911 Turbo and can't afford it so he accepts the cheaper car, aka GT-R. That same buyer will not buy a 911 or 911S because it doesn't perform as well, even though it is a better quality car. He wants the performance numbers.
You don't know the Porsche buyer do you? The guy buying the 911 Turbo does not want the Ferrari. The guy buying the Porsche wants refinement, daily drive ability. The Ferrari Modena isn't a car you drive everyday, no where near the refinement of Porsches. Porsches are supercar daily drivers. They don't look too radical, however there is nothing like them on the road. Timeless design. Why do I know this? Because I own Porsches. I can afford Ferraris, but I don't want it. I have owned Porsches, and own 2 currently. The guy who wants the Ferrari is the guy who buys a Z06.G said:What abou the guy buying the 911 Turbo? Does that means he can't afford a F430?
Yes, generalizing that they all want the same thing is wrong. I guess he should have used the word "most". Because I can agree a lot of Supra owners are a$$holes, I don't know why. Maybe its because they are cocky that they have high 3 digits or 4 digit Horsepower??G said:Some people might say that Porsches are a timeless design, I say the Porsche engineers are lazy.
The point I was getting at is that you can not generalize about owners of car. Do all Vette owners have little man syndrome? No, I find most Vette owners want a Vette because, it's very reliable, American made, has good power, handles well and is not overpriced like all the other European cars. Same goes with Japanese cars.
If we were to generalize about Supra owners, they would be all assholes. :lol:
Hurry up damn it! I am getting sleepy. :bigthumb:evsmotors said:Forgot to mention that the Nissan Skyline is also about evolution and not revolution. If you compare all the models they have the same basic design, its just refined everytime. I'll find pics to compare.