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·I've been told that odometer fraud on MKIV Supras happens all too often. Is that true? How is it possible? Does disconnecting the odometer result in also disabling the airbag? Or... is there some other shady method people are using?
Odometer Fraud?
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·Think.....
I am asking because I am suspecting odometer fraud on a vehicle for sale and I would like to know if it really is that easy to do. I would like to know if it is possible and what the chances are. I do not require a step by step guide to f#cking someone. Please read the posts thouroughly.
I am asking because I am suspecting odometer fraud on a vehicle for sale and I would like to know if it really is that easy to do. I would like to know if it is possible and what the chances are. I do not require a step by step guide to f#cking someone. Please read the posts thouroughly.
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·I have heard that it is pretty easy to do, and if it works, it is really easy to do. I know that the airbag will not be disabled. I'm not sure if there is really any way to tell of they have been clever about it. i.e. no taking it into get inspected and later changing the miles to below that....
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·Odo fraud
If the US Supras are the same as the Japanese market Supras then it is as easy as changing a $50 part (or even cheaper from a wrecked Supra with low kms). Takes 10 minutes max and you will NEVER know. I know because I found this out by accident when I was doing some work on the car.
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If the US Supras are the same as the Japanese market Supras then it is as easy as changing a $50 part (or even cheaper from a wrecked Supra with low kms). Takes 10 minutes max and you will NEVER know. I know because I found this out by accident when I was doing some work on the car.
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·Re: Think.....
Well the answer is yes for the first part. And what makes you think odometer fraud? Only way is a Vin check(carfax works great) and that will tell you everything.vande17941 said:
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When paying a big premium for a very low mile car you need to look at the overall condition of the car, is it still on the original rubber, does the owner have a fleet of cars large enough that you can believe the one you want to buy was driven XXXX miles per year, can the owner provide reciepts for service with the miles on them, can you go to the dealer/shop that serviced the car and verify mileage?
There sure are a lot of very low mile Supras turning up lately, whether it is due to prices being high enough that people want to cash in, or outright fraud is hard to say.
IMO, be very careful and somewhat skeptical about mileage claims.
The Carfax VIN check will not tell you everything if the owner(s) was clever about the way they cheated.1SLOWSupra said:
When paying a big premium for a very low mile car you need to look at the overall condition of the car, is it still on the original rubber, does the owner have a fleet of cars large enough that you can believe the one you want to buy was driven XXXX miles per year, can the owner provide reciepts for service with the miles on them, can you go to the dealer/shop that serviced the car and verify mileage?
There sure are a lot of very low mile Supras turning up lately, whether it is due to prices being high enough that people want to cash in, or outright fraud is hard to say.
IMO, be very careful and somewhat skeptical about mileage claims.
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before you get all upset and start to bitch and telling me off !
the reson why i said what i said was well look at the post above now some people have a clue on what to do and now they know its easy to do ..thanks for helping spread this ! to add it would have been a little simpler to ask some one to pm you and explain this to you !i have nothing against you but i just did not want to help spread deception and this info !
but now some people will know its easy to do!
before you get all upset and start to bitch and telling me off !
the reson why i said what i said was well look at the post above now some people have a clue on what to do and now they know its easy to do ..thanks for helping spread this ! to add it would have been a little simpler to ask some one to pm you and explain this to you !i have nothing against you but i just did not want to help spread deception and this info !
but now some people will know its easy to do!
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·whatever you say boss
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Let's not forget that the ECU stores the True Milage even if you can disable the odometer. A good visual and mechanical inspection and a Carfax report are about as good as you're going to get. Pay attention to wear on the seat, AC and radio controls etc. And of course checking the story of the seller always helps.
When I bought my Supra from an auto wholesaler, I picked my car up and later that day found an oil change tag from 2 years prior and the car only had 1500 more miles. I knew that the wholesaler hadn't altered it, because the miles read similar on the pink slip, but I wasn't sure about the original owner.
I knew that it had been owned by the owner of RS Akimoto, but later that day I found out that he had had a stroke about 2 years prior and now needed a driver. The car had been pretty much sitting for the prior 2 years. So it was all good.
Anyone who disables their Odometer on a Supra should taken out and shot... :ak:
When I bought my Supra from an auto wholesaler, I picked my car up and later that day found an oil change tag from 2 years prior and the car only had 1500 more miles. I knew that the wholesaler hadn't altered it, because the miles read similar on the pink slip, but I wasn't sure about the original owner.
I knew that it had been owned by the owner of RS Akimoto, but later that day I found out that he had had a stroke about 2 years prior and now needed a driver. The car had been pretty much sitting for the prior 2 years. So it was all good.
Anyone who disables their Odometer on a Supra should taken out and shot... :ak:
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·Hey Chip,
Your located in Barstow, CA? Is that close to Bishop, CA in the Long Valley Caldera?
Your located in Barstow, CA? Is that close to Bishop, CA in the Long Valley Caldera?
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·ECU Store Mileage?
So.... what does that mean? If the odometer is disconnected, is there some way to pull the true mileage out of the ECU? How come the ECU can't just be cleared?
So.... what does that mean? If the odometer is disconnected, is there some way to pull the true mileage out of the ECU? How come the ECU can't just be cleared?
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ecu can be cleared just take a battery and short out the whole ecu go ahead try it it works !
ecu can be cleared just take a battery and short out the whole ecu go ahead try it it works !
vande17941 said:So.... what does that mean? If the odometer is disconnected, is there some way to pull the true mileage out of the ECU? How come the ECU can't just be cleared?
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·That's what I thought
It is just too easy. If a person doesn't mind driving around with the airbag light on, then the car's racking up miles with absolutely no proof. Even if the ECU does store it, disconnecting the battery or pulling the fuse clears that. I guess it doesn't really matter, though, because theives always find a way of doing something shady.
It is just too easy. If a person doesn't mind driving around with the airbag light on, then the car's racking up miles with absolutely no proof. Even if the ECU does store it, disconnecting the battery or pulling the fuse clears that. I guess it doesn't really matter, though, because theives always find a way of doing something shady.
You should be able to look at the car and tell. Driver's seat and carpet. Undercarriage, radiator, intercooler probably would be dead give aways. Also look at the owner is he an older professional (older as in late forties or fifies). Most people can't afford to have a 40K+ car just sitting in the garage for 4-8 years.
Also service records should be available on a low mileage car.
I would be checking any low mileage supra very carefully.
Also service records should be available on a low mileage car.
I would be checking any low mileage supra very carefully.
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·Fuck man..... this is one of the worst things anyone could do. It really sucks to get cheated.... I don't know what i would do if i caught someone trying to sell me a car that he purposefully committed odometer fraud on. I don't even want to think about it. People should know better than to fuck with SERIOUS car buffs about cars. I know there are some people that would kill someone if they caught them vandalizing their car.
I don't even want to think about it. People should know better than to fuck with SERIOUS car buffs about cars. I know there are some people that would kill someone if they caught them vandalizing their car.
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All I can say is what comes around goes around!! My 94TT has complete NEW interior and excellent condition exterior so it could pass for less than the 90K+ miles on the odometer, BUT I would choose to take the honest route because stuff like that will ALWAYS catch up with you in the end!! You might think your car is worth a little more with lower miles but one day you're out driving and "POOF!", the turbo(s) lock up or something happens!! Do the RIGHT thing and remember that you would not want to find your 'dream' Supra and only to get it home and it have 125K miles instead of the 25K miles shown on the odometer!
Do unto others as you would have done to you!!!!
That's just my SOAPBOX and I am sure someone will chime in with smart cracks but you ALL know this is TRUE!!!
All I can say is what comes around goes around!! My 94TT has complete NEW interior and excellent condition exterior so it could pass for less than the 90K+ miles on the odometer, BUT I would choose to take the honest route because stuff like that will ALWAYS catch up with you in the end!! You might think your car is worth a little more with lower miles but one day you're out driving and "POOF!", the turbo(s) lock up or something happens!! Do the RIGHT thing and remember that you would not want to find your 'dream' Supra and only to get it home and it have 125K miles instead of the 25K miles shown on the odometer!
Do unto others as you would have done to you!!!!
That's just my SOAPBOX and I am sure someone will chime in with smart cracks but you ALL know this is TRUE!!!
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