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I had no idea Rush had this much clout. To the conservatives/repubs on the board, IS Rush someone you consider a leader?:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29478402/

WASHINGTON - Two days after calling conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh a mere "entertainer" with an "incendiary" talk show, Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele apologized and acknowledged him as a "national conservative leader."

"To the extent that my remarks helped the Democrats in Washington to take the focus, even for one minute, off of their irresponsible expansion of government, I truly apologize," Steele said late Monday.

Steele's statement capped a remarkable weekend of awkward sparring between Republican officials and Limbaugh, who has repeatedly voiced his desire that President Barack Obama's economic policies fail.


The back and forth reached a fever pitch Monday afternoon when Limbaugh roared back in response to a Steele interview with CNN's D.L. Hughley Saturday night. In that interview, Steele rejected assertions that Limbaugh was the "de facto" leader of the Republican Party. "Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment," Steele said then. "Yes, it's incendiary. Yes, it's ugly."

Limbaugh used his Monday talk show to unleash on Steele.

"Why are you running the Republican Party?" Limbaugh asked on his radio show. "Why do you claim you lead the Republican Party when you seem obsessed with seeing to it that President Obama succeeds? ... I would be embarrassed to say that I'm in charge of the Republican Party in the sad-sack state that it's in. If I were chairman of the Republican Party, given the state that it's in, I would quit."

Distracting episode for GOP
The infighting between a top party official and a conservative opinion leader who claims to have an audience of 20 million developed into a distracting episode for a party struggling to compete with a popular president and find its voice as the opposition party.

"I respect Rush Limbaugh, he is a national conservative leader, and in no way do I want to diminish his voice," Steele said in a statement late Monday. "I'm sure that he and I will agree most of the time, but will probably disagree some as well, which is fine.


"The Democrats are doing everything they can to find ways to take people's attention off of their massive 36-billion-dollar-a-day spending spree that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have embarked on. To the extent that my remarks helped the Democrats in Washington to take the focus, even for one minute, off of their irresponsible expansion of government, I truly apologize."

Democrats, who have been trying to handcuff Republicans to Limbaugh, reacted gleefully to Steele's apology, saying it illustrated Limbaugh's influence over the party.

"Chairman Steele's reversal this evening and his apology to Limbaugh proves the unfortunate point that Limbaugh is the leading force behind the Republican Party, its politics and its obstruction of President Obama's agenda in Washington," Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Monday evening.

Over the past several days, the White House and its Democratic allies have launched a concerted effort to draw attention to Limbaugh in a belief that his support exists only among the most die-hard conservatives.

Dems use Limbaugh as foil
Democrats have used Limbaugh as their foil instead of Republican congressional leaders, recognizing that part of Obama's appeal is his outreach to Republicans, even if it's not intended to bear immediate fruit.

On Sunday, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said: "It's our desire that the Republicans would work with us and try to be constructive, rather than adopt the philosophy of somebody like Rush Limbaugh, who is praying for failure." It was a theme that Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs reiterated during his press briefing Monday.

This weekend, a labor-liberal coalition began airing about $100,000 in ads on national cable television and in Washington markets in an effort to tie the Republican Party to Limbaugh, whose provocations don't always follow party script.

"Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party — he says jump and they say how high," said Brad Woodhouse, president of Americans United for Change, the liberal advocacy group that is sponsoring the ads with the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Limbaugh has refused to back down. Speaking Saturday to a conservative convention in Washington, he said: "What is so strange about being honest and saying, 'I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?' Why would I want that to succeed?"

The words made some Republicans besides Steele flinch. Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 Republican leader in the House, on Sunday seemed eager to change the subject. "Nobody — no Republican, no Democrat — wants this president to fail, nor do they want this country to fail or the economy to fail," he said on ABC television's "This Week."
 

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I wouldnt consider Rush to be a leader, more of just like a voice that is often times more powerful than most politicians. Its not really anyones fault, but its the media who tries to crown who...I think Steele was just a lil pissed because he's the official crown of the republican party and the media took it from him and gave it to Rush.

I agree that I want Obama to fail because I dont want socialism to prevail.

I really think that politicians are politicians first and core principal value-men second. Rush isnt a politician, so he is able to say whats on his mind without any ripple effect on his career. Political leaders, however, always put their values and principals aside for the sake of their career.

for instance, this quote

""On Sunday, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said: "It's our desire that the Republicans would work with us and try to be constructive, rather than adopt the philosophy of somebody like Rush Limbaugh, who is praying for failure." It was a theme that Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs reiterated during his press briefing Monday.""

Rahm Emanuel doesn't mean what he says directly. He means he wants republicans to put down their values, principals and beliefs and concede to the democratic ideal for the sake of moving things along their way. If it doesn't work, he'll say "well the republicans voted for it too, so its not entirely our fault!"

Always remember, politicians are politicians first, good men with strong values second.
 

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IMO Rush speaks for the vast majority of Conservatives, not necessarily Republicans however as they are no longer one in the same.
 

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Conservatives follow Rush more than the GOP because Rush sticks to his guns unlike the trainwreck known as the Republican Party. The whole Bush presidency the GOP shot itself in the foot and then in the head. Rush is, was, and will continue to be the leader of the right wing until the GOP gets it's head out of it's ass...and that could be quite a while.
 

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Conservatives follow Rush more than the GOP because Rush sticks to his guns unlike the trainwreck known as the Republican Party. The whole Bush presidency the GOP shot itself in the foot and then in the head. Rush is, was, and will continue to be the leader of the right wing until the GOP gets it's head out of it's ass...and that could be quite a while.
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IMO Rush speaks for the vast majority of Conservatives, not necessarily Republicans however as they are no longer one in the same.
Where do the two part ways, in your opinion? I have heard this a lot, but am not sure where the division really lies
 

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Where do the two part ways, in your opinion? I have heard this a lot, but am not sure where the division really lies
I think Savage explains it nicely...
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/?pageId=692

Republicans vs. Conservatives

The voices of those who call themselves conservative are propagandizing the airwaves. You can hear the Golfer defending high gas prices as a necessary part of the free market, that there shouldn't be an FDA to protect us from salmonella, that illegal aliens are just doing the jobs Americans won't do, and attacking the minimum wage as being anti-job. This is garbage. These people are globalist liberals masquerading as free marketers. They have taken the Golfer's Kool-Aid. And more importantly, while they may be Republicans, they are most definitely not conservatives. I've said time and time again on this program that I'm a conservative, not a Republican. There's a huge difference between the two.

Republicans are for AIDS money to Africa. Conservatives are for aid to working American citizens.



Republicans are for letting the free market decide that $5 a gallon gas is OK. Conservatives are for compelling foreign oil producers to increase production and reduce prices, by force if necessary.



Republicans are for bailing out billionaire money manipulators on Wall Street while you wait in line at the hospital behind an illegal alien. Conservatives are for letting Wall Street hucksters pay for their own mistakes and sending the illegal back to Mexico.



Republicans are for letting market forces decide if your food has fecal matter in it. Conservatives are for enforcing basic food safety standards so that Mexican farm workers can't crap in the fields and make you sick.



Republicans think bringing in illegal aliens is an amnesty. Conservatives think brining in illegal aliens is a travesty.



Republicans want a strong global economy. Conservatives want a country. Republicans think that child porn on the internet is freedom from government. Conservatives know that smut is a poison that must be snuffed out.
America thought Bush was a conservative. He turned out to be just a Republican. And while there are Republicans who are conservatives, too, don't let the "R" after the name fool you. Let the voter – and the listener – beware.
 

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Before, traditional conservatism was just that, conservative with government, conservative with gun laws, conservative with fiscal stuff


Bush was not that conservative with govt or fiscal spending, but he looks like a saint compared to Obama




Where do the two part ways, in your opinion? I have heard this a lot, but am not sure where the division really lies
 

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Where do the two part ways, in your opinion? I have heard this a lot, but am not sure where the division really lies
Bush + Mccain are not considered conservatives, but they are considered Republican. I believe there should be a conservative party.


Bush is considered a Liberal Republican, as he is was still expanding the government and military costs. A conservative would minimize spending, shrink our military, and reduce our government by a fraction of what it is now.
 

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The republicans have adopted a "reach across the aisle" mentality in an attempt to be more accepted by the Democrats and have abandoned their ideals in doing so.

The people gave the Republicans a full majority and they did nothing with it in an attempt to have bi-partisan agreement. Now look how the Democrats are smashing their ideas through and basically telling Republicans to fuck off... we won. I disagree completely with their plans, but completely agree with their drive to get things done. They won the election, and winning gives you the right to do things your way.

This is what the Conservative voters wanted the Republicans to do but they were too weak and wasted it. I hope they learn a lesson so if they ever get another chance they will remember.

Primarily the differences between Conservatives and Republicans are domestic. Bush grew the government, entitlements, spending and is weak on illegal immigration.

Conservative ideals are completely the opposite and want small government, low taxes, security and individual responsiblilty not a nanny state.

To sum it up the Republicans have become Democrat light and abonded the ideals which it's base believes in. I'd rather lose an election running on true ideals than try to be something we aren't and win.

IMO McCain is the best example of the problems with the Republican party... he represents the rock bottom of this party and I hope we never see another pussy nominee like him again.
 

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I'm learning a lot on this thread. Thanks gents!
 

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Who do you think now speaks for the Republican Party?
You just named him: it is Rush Limbaugh. He has laid out his vision, in my view. And he said it clearly. I compliment him for that. He's been very up front and I compliment him for that. He's not hiding. He's asked for President Obama and called for President Obama to fail. That's his view. And that's what he has enunciated. And whenever a Republican criticizes him, they have to run back and apologize to him and say they were misunderstood. He is the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican Party. He has been up front about what he views and hasn't stepped back from that, which is he hopes for failure. He said it and I compliment him for his honesty.
Hook, line & sinker. GOP at war within :fruit:
 

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I think it's funny that Dems thing Rush divides the conservatives when just the opposite is true... it's like conservatives saying that Pelosi/Reed divide the left.

They doesn't - they love them just as we believe in what Rush says because they are unapologetic in the agendas they push. They are left and they don't hide it. I have to respect that even though I completely disagree with their ideals.

Obama has a few more months to turn the economy around or the backlash will be unbelievable.
 

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Comedian Rush Limbaaaugh, all hail to the leader of the republican party.
Hardly. He's leader of the conservatives...most of which happen to be part of the GOP because the only alternative would be joining the Dems. Rush heads up what is the largest faction inside of the GOP, the disgruntled conservative. Conservatives gave Bush and Congressional republicans all the tools in the world to get things done during the last administration, and for the most part the GOP did very little to return the favor. Why do you think McCain got such a cold reception from true conservatives. Rush is by no means a rock of the republican party, he's a weapon of the conservatives and like him or not he's damn good at it.

Well, you guys do share the same name.


So Rush, would you please answer my questions about the bailout now?
Lol apparently he'll ignore your question again.
 

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Hardly. He's leader of the conservatives...most of which happen to be part of the GOP because the only alternative would be joining the Dems. Rush heads up what is the largest faction inside of the GOP, the disgruntled conservative. Conservatives gave Bush and Congressional republicans all the tools in the world to get things done during the last administration, and for the most part the GOP did very little to return the favor. Why do you think McCain got such a cold reception from true conservatives. Rush is by no means a rock of the republican party, he's a weapon of the conservatives and like him or not he's damn good at it.
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Limbaugh is excelent at what he does. He's cornered the market. He's capitalizing on the angry, far right wing of the republican party, which is a small fraction of the electorate. If you think taking the party further to the right is a winning strategy for 2010 & 12 election, you're mistaken.
 
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