[VEGGIM]

All Toyota needs to do is slap a couple of turbos on whatever the flagship Lexus coupe is called, and tone down the styling, making is more sporty. Maybe stitch weld the chassis and stiffer suspension, etc. and offer it with a 6 or 7 speed manual.

Its called the lc500. And that's a luxury gran tourer. Your gonna have to remove like 1000 pounds though.And when the rcf track edition was only able to remove 160 and the rc is getting replaced because of that weight. We have a problem. Also that was planned i.e LCF but that got canned. And lexus is going all electric, same thing with the supra apparently. You can't even use the 86 either as subaru is stiff like a brick wall. They wouldn't let them use their factories for a car which they wouldn't use. Not like gunma's factory is overfilled already.

 

[signalpuke]

Apparently that thing weighs 4400 lbs. Screw the turbos, just strip it down like the Nismo cars. I'm sure they can pull 1000 lbs out of it.

 

[Por2geezSupra]

I think it’s safe to say that the days of internal combustion motors form Toyota will soon be a thing of the past. There is a reason Toyoda stepped down as CEO.. the mk6 supra and the Lexus ev sports car will most likely share a platform. The gr gt3 concept was already confirmed to become a production car and shares similar lines to the Lexus ev sports car concept. I would love to see an ev variant and an ice variant, or even hybrid. But I’m not holding my breath…

 

[VEGGIM]

I think it’s safe to say that the days of internal combustion motors form Toyota will soon be a thing of the past. There is a reason Toyoda stepped down as CEO.. the mk6 supra and the Lexus ev sports car will most likely share a platform. The gr gt3 concept was already confirmed to become a production car and shares similar lines to the Lexus ev sports car concept. I would love to see an ev variant and an ice variant, or even hybrid. But I’m not holding my breath…

According to this it will use e-tnga. Though that might change because looks like Toyota engineers tore down a tesla model Y and now they are scrambling.
(469) Toyota TORE apart the Tesla Model Y - What they found changes EVERYTHING... - YouTube
I have to use a video since the original article has been paywalled.
New Toyota CEO, with eye on Tesla, plots next-gen EV platform push | Automotive News (autonews.com)

 

[VEGGIM]

Should mention from the first link I posted at the start of the thread, there is also this in between the lines:

The GR Supra will be available in the GRMN version equipped with a straight-550, 6L twin-turbo engine that has been significantly increased to 3ps this year, and it will be the final model and production will be discontinued in 2025. That's as we've reported several times in previous BC scoops, and there's no information that plans have changed.

 

[Wreckless]

Uhh about that. Sure it would sell but probably not the amount of a 911. Which sells around 9k-10k units per year on average. It seems like whenever someone compares sports cars today, it's always compared to the porsche cayman or 911, or the Chevy corvette.

Dude are you high? The people considering a new base 911, a C8, and a hypothetical done-right 70-90k Supra turbo are all wildly different buyers.
Have you ever talked to the owner of a C8, or a brand new base 911?
The three cars you suggest attract three VERY different buying demographics with very little cross-shopping.

The majority of 911 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a new 911. An enthusiast would be looking at a 911 turbo that's a few years old vs a new 911 base model. 911 base models are for trophy wives and cork-sniffing boomer tourists who decided they wanted a sports car, know nothing about sports cars, but are too cunty to be seen in a domestic or Japanese offering and a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes all look the same to them. So base 911 it is.
The majority of C8 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a C8. The majority of them are domestic-car fans and are overwhelmingly retired boomers doing the midlife boomer Corvette thing.

Those are very specific buyers and fairly myopic in their tastes/preferences with very little if any cross shopping between brands.

A hypothetical 70-90k Supra turbo done right would get compared to those cars by all the clickbait generators (ahem) car bloggers and yoot00bers because that's their business model is generating crap people will click - relevance, insight, or accuracy is not required.

But most of the buyers for the MKV Supra aren't cross shopping new base 911's or C8's. That is not just about price, most MKV buyers by their stated demographics are overwhelmingly capable of buying a more expensive car if they wanted to.
Plus there's countless dudes like me that are sitting around still spending that money on 90's shitboxes, because despite being in our peak earning years and absolutely having the income to buy a 70-90k new car even with current interest rates, there's literally nothing new on the market that's gives any of us 'the fizz' as James May so eloquently puts it.

Toyota flubbed it bad. If you're buying the shit they're shoveling they go ahead and buy it, but please stop shoveling it here - we're not buying.

 

[signalpuke]

Are the new 911s not manual anymore? I thought they still were. I wasn't a fan of the car or ever entertained the idea of buying one until I drove one. The only downside for me on the older generations of the 911 is how cheap and bland the interior is. Great chassis, and the 3.6L six speed feels faster than the NSX, midrange torque is great for daily driver duty. Outside of the bland/cheap interior (compared to today) and an oil change, car has been reliable the last two years as a daily. I'd like to see aftermarket interior mods like what the Miata guys have.

 

[Wreckless]

Are the new 911s not manual anymore? I thought they still were. I wasn't a fan of the car or ever entertained the idea of buying one until I drove one. The only downside for me on the older generations of the 911 us how cheap and bland the interior is. Great chassis, and the 3.6L six speed feels faster than the NSX, midrange torque is great for daily driver duty. Outside of the bland/cheap interior (compared to today) and an oil change, car has been reliable the last two years as a daily. I'd like to see aftermarket interior mods like what the Miata guys have.

Older 911's even base models, are a fantastic driver's car for the money even with prices creeping upwards across the board. I did the IMS bearing and a clutch job on a customer's 996 C2 6MT and that was a fantastic car to drive, and at the time (2014ish) similar examples were selling for $15-20k and I couldn't help but admire how much car that was for the cost.
A very close friend and former Supra 6MT hardtop owner has a 997.1 making ~570awhp and it's a fucking riot.

None of those guys, nor you, I imagine, are in the market to plunk down ~110k on a 2023 base model 911. And yes the base 911's only come with the 8spd PDK now, to get a 7MT you have to jump up to the ~$150k 911 GTS package. Totally different market segment than a 'done right' Supra in the ~80-90k range.

 

[signalpuke]

Yeah, different levels of car for the money. You can still get a decent 996.2 for a good price, slap a couple of turbos on it, and have a riot for pretty cheap. New (anything, really) 911 is not worth it, and as fast as the new automatics are, I still prefer rowing. My old man bought a 997 and the interior upgrade is worth it alone when it comes to 'collector appreciation' in my opinion. I might swap mine in the future. He put a turbo and air/water intercooler on it, it was pretty fun. Sold it and bought an AMG GTS, says it's his favorite car so far, and he's owned a ton of modified cars.

 

[signalpuke]

The majority of 911 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a new 911. An enthusiast would be looking at a 911 turbo that's a few years old vs a new 911 base model. 911 base models are for trophy wives and cork-sniffing boomer tourists who decided they wanted a sports car, know nothing about sports cars, but are too cunty to be seen in a domestic or Japanese offering and a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes all look the same to them. So base 911 it is.
The majority of C8 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a C8. The majority of them are domestic-car fans and are overwhelmingly retired boomers doing the midlife boomer Corvette thing.

Just reread this, pretty on point. Friend with a GT2 bought his wife an auto Porsche, not a Boxer, something else. Only C8 owner I know is a younger Asian business owner that was supposed to go to the dealership to look at work trucks, and ended up test driving and buying the car instead. I wouldn't doubt a lot of them are impulse buys by guys that own a business and fall into that same trap. They're pretty common around here, see more of them than the C7 which is weird now that I think about it.

 

[dream_machine]

They should take the Lexus LC500 drop a ton of weight, make it less luxurious, put in their own I6 and call it a supra. That car is so dope, but it weighs as much as a small house.

 

[VEGGIM]

Dude are you high? The people considering a new base 911, a C8, and a hypothetical done-right 70-90k Supra turbo are all wildly different buyers.
Have you ever talked to the owner of a C8, or a brand new base 911?
The three cars you suggest attract three VERY different buying demographics with very little cross-shopping.

The majority of 911 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a new 911. An enthusiast would be looking at a 911 turbo that's a few years old vs a new 911 base model. 911 base models are for trophy wives and cork-sniffing boomer tourists who decided they wanted a sports car, know nothing about sports cars, but are too cunty to be seen in a domestic or Japanese offering and a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes all look the same to them. So base 911 it is.
The majority of C8 buyers woke up knowing they wanted a C8. The majority of them are domestic-car fans and are overwhelmingly retired boomers doing the midlife boomer Corvette thing.

Those are very specific buyers and fairly myopic in their tastes/preferences with very little if any cross shopping between brands.

A hypothetical 70-90k Supra turbo done right would get compared to those cars by all the clickbait generators (ahem) car bloggers and yoot00bers because that's their business model is generating crap people will click - relevance, insight, or accuracy is not required.

But most of the buyers for the MKV Supra aren't cross shopping new base 911's or C8's. That is not just about price, most MKV buyers by their stated demographics are overwhelmingly capable of buying a more expensive car if they wanted to.
Plus there's countless dudes like me that are sitting around still spending that money on 90's shitboxes, because despite being in our peak earning years and absolutely having the income to buy a 70-90k new car even with current interest rates, there's literally nothing new on the market that's gives any of us 'the fizz' as James May so eloquently puts it.

Toyota flubbed it bad. If you're buying the shit they're shoveling they go ahead and buy it, but please stop shoveling it here - we're not buying.

I mentioned the 911 since i was looking at new cars only because from the OEM perspective. Used cars sales do not count for them. If they did a lot of cars would be considered sales successes by brands instead of sales failures. And unfortunately even that would be marked up to hell. These cars are like marked up 10 to 20k. Seems like if the brand isn't some high end luxury brand markups are inevitable. And Europe, too bad you ain't getting it nor the UK. As it would probably meet the same fate as the Z. i.e Never made it because of tough emissions and mpg standards.

 

[VEGGIM]

They should take the Lexus LC500 drop a ton of weight, make it less luxurious, put in their own I6 and call it a supra. That car is so dope, but it weighs as much as a small house.

Too late. Seems like Toyota is moving on to hybridization. Other than the g16e, i don't think they are making a new engine for any other car at all.

Another rumor i heard is that Toyota, Suzuki, Daihatsu is making a 1.0 mild hybrid car. The engine is apparently from suzuki with the chassis being from Toyota. It's definitely not coming to the states. I think it might be trying to undercut the mx-5 in Japan because liter tax and all that.

 

[BonestockNA]

According to this it will use e-tnga. Though that might change because looks like Toyota engineers tore down a tesla model Y and now they are scrambling.

Seems most OEMs now days are chasing Tesla into the EV market. Problem is Tesla is the only EV company with their own charging infrastructure and they got a 10 year head start since it took the bohemoths all that time to realize what was happening and react. GM, Ford and others chasing into EVs are competing for the same expensive and limited raw materials and trying to get by with other peoples charge networks that are far inferior to Tesla's. The truth is that most of these companies can't sustain the EV production they are targeting and costs are going out of sight while they wait for materials to come in. EV sales are slowing way down in the process.

At least Toyota secured their own battery grade lithium supply years ago through Tsusho and Orocobre. The right answer for most of these EV come lately companies would be to manufacture some high end EVs and concentrate on hybrids for everything else. Those who do that will do well. I think ICE will be around for quite some time despite what some executives are spouting off for Wall St's benefit.

 

[signalpuke]

EVs are ESG plays. That's crumbling, and the government is looking to sink China, who provides the rare earth elements needed (mainland and owned in Africa).

 

[VEGGIM]

Seems most OEMs now days are chasing Tesla into the EV market. Problem is Tesla is the only EV company with their own charging infrastructure and they got a 10 year head start since it took the bohemoths all that time to realize what was happening and react. GM, Ford and others chasing into EVs are competing for the same expensive and limited raw materials and trying to get by with other peoples charge networks that are far inferior to Tesla's. The truth is that most of these companies can't sustain the EV production they are targeting and costs are going out of sight while they wait for materials to come in. EV sales are slowing way down in the process.

At least Toyota secured their own battery grade lithium supply years ago through Tsusho and Orocobre. The right answer for most of these EV come lately companies would be to manufacture some high end EVs and concentrate on hybrids for everything else. Those who do that will do well. I think ICE will be around for quite some time despite what some executives are spouting off for Wall St's benefit.

Well if it's anything it's supposed to have 440-500hp. Will it have more torque. Who knows. Since thats a thing that happens with electric cars. Though, it seems like an ev supra getting released would probably be more controversial.

 

[$9ktt]

I'll take an EV Supra ! AS LONG AS IT"S ALL TOYOTA !!!
Make it look EXACTLY like the FT-1 ! Right your wrongs TOYOTA !

 

[VEGGIM]

I'll take an EV Supra ! AS LONG AS IT"S ALL TOYOTA !!!
Make it look EXACTLY like the FT-1 ! Right your wrongs TOYOTA !

Probably not gonna be the case. Electric cars don't really need long hoods. Plus it says it will most likely be a 2+2 according to the rumor. The ft-1 and ft-hs were both 2 door roadsters.

 

[Por2geezSupra]

Probably not gonna be the case. Electric cars don't really need long hoods. Plus it says it will most likely be a 2+2 according to the rumor. The ft-1 and ft-hs were both 2 door roadsters.

Neither of those concepts were roadsters. They were coupes…

 

[VEGGIM]

Neither of those concepts were roadsters. They were coupes…

Oh i meant that by the fact that they were 2 seaters only and not really 2+2. Anyway an electric car is different when it comes to who makes the parts. Rn the motors are made by Blue Nexus. Which is a joint of Aisin, Denso, and Toyota. The batteries however, are from Panasonic or CATL from china. Tesla has an advantage due to having a giant Giga factory for their electric cars.