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Hey all! I have a recently purchased 95 na-t setup supra I just got dyno-d and was wondering imput on how to make more power and what I would need to do to get there. My setup is a borg warner s366sxe turbo 66mm, its manual swaped RHD with a cd009 trans in it with a LSD in the rear from KAAZ usa. the engine bay only has head studs and a ffim manifold done to it with id1030's and a wallbro hellcat fuel pump. Today on the dyno after some pump gas pulls it made sadly 360hp on a hub dyno, we drained the fuel and put straight E85 in it and it made 450 to the wheels. The wastegate was leaking and also the fuel feed lines weren't able to give it enough fuel on high boost and it was going lean on top end so we had to call it at 450 on low boost. Anyway the ECU im running currently is the AEM V2 which is old tech and I recently purchased a brand new haltech elite 2500 and a haltech dash for the car but cannot install it due to haltech not making a harness for the non vvti engine. So my only options would be to go fully custom harness which is fine I just got it tuned on this for now. Anyway I'm looking to get the car to the high 800's to 900's so wondering if I need to go a fully built motor to achieve that since when I got a quote it was around 75k to make 1500hp. My other question is we tried to setup antilag to make it shoot flames and It just wasn't having it like its only shooting baby flames so unsure what we need to change to make it be able to shoot big flames like the other supras on youtube? bigger injectors? Any help would be much appreciated and I will post a pic of the car / vid of the current antilag (Mk4 supra anti lag 2 step)
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13psi is pretty low boost. At 900whp you'll probably want billet mains if you want the engine to live a long time.
As for the antilag- I may be wrong but don't you need control over the timing for that? Aka not a dizzy
 

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Anyway I'm looking to get the car to the high 800's to 900's so wondering if I need to go a fully built motor to achieve that since when I got a quote it was around 75k to make 1500hp.
It won't last long. Previous owner of my car blew the stock motor in that range. That said, 75k to make 1500hp has to include much more than just building the motor. Get your fuel issues sorted, plumbing fixed, a solid tune, and go from there.
 
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Did you fix the wastegate issue or continue tuning without fixing that first? What rear housing on the turbo and what manifold? Get the car running properly before you start worrying about YouTube likes. 🤔 You should be making 450 with pump gas if everything is in order.
we continued tuning without fixing fuel issue or wastegate issue hence why its on 13 pounds currently on low boost, we tried a pull on 17psi but mid pull the AFR skyrocketed and had no fuel so we had to let out. That being said im ordering a second pump and also a wastegate to fix the issue, and to who asked what manifold it has a FFIM manifold.
 

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What turbo manifold are you running. What wastegate.

Lots of ways to get more power. You already mentioned running out of fuel so you'll definitely need to run new fuel lines to the tank. Those injectors are a bit small for E85 which requires a lot more fuel.

I would look to running 2 hellcat pumps and much larger injectors.

You need to sort out that wastegate leak. I hope to God you're not using those china manifolds and wastegates.

Post pictures of your setup.
 

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450hp at 13psi is better that I'd have expected for that much boost, even on E85.

First things first is fix your wastegate situation. What exhaust manifold and what wastegate do you have? How big is your downpipe and midpipe? What intercooler kit do you have? What fuel system changes have you made?

A crappy exhaust manifold can cause backpressure issues and garbage wastegates often cause problems too. Go name brand on wastegates, all the time and every time, and source them from a reputable speed shop not amazon or any of that crap because of the number of fakes out there.

An old school/cheap/conventional 3in downpipe & midpipe will support a lot more than your current HP level, but going to 3.5in or 4in on the downpipe especially makes a huge difference for improved spool and more power pretty much everywhere. 3in DP's start limiting power around 500-600hp and it's a serious restriction above 750 (I've seen 60-80whp improvements going from 3in to 4in at that level) so if you're aiming for 900whp+ I'd consider a 4in downpipe & midpipe a necessity. You can neck it back down to 3 or 3.5in for the catback and still gain a ton of flow improvement overall, it doesn't need to be straight 4in. But if you decide to regularly run 1000+ someday I'd go straight 4in and accept the noise and ground clearance issues as part of having a 1000whp+ car.

There's a lot of just straight-up garbage chinese IC's out there that end up on Supras because they're 'good enough'. They often aren't. For your targeted HP goal I'd recommend a quality IC from GReddy, Treadstone, ETS, etc with 3in IC piping on both sides, and a 4in thick core.

ID1050X's (they don't make a ID1030 so I'm assuming you meant 1050X's because they're popular) will support around 600-650whp max with a single hellcat pump on E85. Did you change the feed line from the pump to the feed side of the rail? What about the stock pulsation damper and fuel filter? If you have an aftermarket fuel filter in AN lines, which filter did you get, and is it E85 compatible?

If you want 900whp on E85 you'll need ID1300X's at the bare minimum and that's if you run a ton of fuel pump at high fuel pressures. ID1700X's would be good future proofing.


Overall troubleshooting recommendations-

-Solve the WG issue. If your wastegate is a chinese knockoff, just remove it and put googly eyes on it and set it on your shelf. Name it Carl and blame it for everything that goes wrong on your car. Or throw it away. Or shoot it out of a cannon. Or yeet it into some idiot's face in a parking lot fight and make viral news with car dudes because someone's face got broken with a wastegate. Just don't leave it installed on your car.

-Once you've got a quality wastegate(or already have it) identify the spring pressure at which it opens, ensure that your boost controller is properly connected to that wastegate and you've got correct boost references. On a simple single line WG install, the vacuum line should go Turbo Compressor cover -> boost control solenoid -> Lower port in an external WG. Generally speaking, that configuration should be good for about 2x the WG spring's set pressure using a boost controller. Meaning if you've got a 14 psi spring in the WG, no EBC at all will get 14psi of boost, and maxing out the EBC will see ~26-28psi max boost. So choose a spring carefully based on the 'boost window' you want between low boost and max boost. Also note that as WG's get bigger, that 'boost window' will shrink as the larger WG valve area means it takes less exhaust backpressure to push it open against a given spring. So 60mm WG's are not always better, and on most 60mm setups the 'boost window' is closer to 1.6-1.8x the WG spring.
Using advanced EBC setups like a 3-port or 4-port actuator controlled by the ECU can get you better overall control and higher stable boost pressures on a given WG spring. But that takes more configuration and setup and that's for folks doing 'full send' which you don't need right now - you need to get your car to where it's making ~500whp on pump gas at about 18psi, where it should be.

-Fuel lines. If it's a fuel line issue restricting fuel flow, get that sorted immediately. If you have a hellcat pump running on the stock feed and return lines, yes, that's a restriction. I would strongly recommend going to a -6AN feed line from the pump straight into the fuel rail, using a staged -6AN filter set under the car. Run them so the fuel pump feeds directly into a 100 micron filter first, then have a 10 micron after the 100 micron filter. Make sure they're 100% E85 compatible. Bypass the stock filter and feed line entirely. You should be able to continue with the stock return line for now on the single pump, but if you have excess fuel pressure at idle that can't be controlled, you can use the stock feed line as a return with a few fittings. Eliminate the stock fuel filter from the feed line if you do that, of course.

-Check the Intercooler and all the IC piping for boost leaks and other issues. If it's a cheap chinese IC just keep it for now, but ensure you have zero boost leaks.

If you hadn't bought an Elite 2500, I'd say go back to the dyno with the AEM V2 at this point.

But since you did buy an Elite 2500, now's the time to get the patch harness you need (I'm sure one exists that can be used or altered to work just fine) and get the 2500 set up properly so it's ready for tuning. Then get it re-tuned at this level targeting pump gas and driveability only, which should be around 500whp maybe a bit more with an S366, especially if you have cams & a 4in downpipe and a quality intake manifold.

Beyond that, start addressing the downpipe/midpipe, intercooler, and bigger injectors & additional pumps recommended so you can go full flex fuel or dedicated E85 and target 800-900whp safely.
 

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450hp at 13psi is better that I'd have expected for that much boost, even on E85.

First things first is fix your wastegate situation. What exhaust manifold and what wastegate do you have? How big is your downpipe and midpipe? What intercooler kit do you have? What fuel system changes have you made?

A crappy exhaust manifold can cause backpressure issues and garbage wastegates often cause problems too. Go name brand on wastegates, all the time and every time, and source them from a reputable speed shop not amazon or any of that crap because of the number of fakes out there.

An old school/cheap/conventional 3in downpipe & midpipe will support a lot more than your current HP level, but going to 3.5in or 4in on the downpipe especially makes a huge difference for improved spool and more power pretty much everywhere. 3in DP's start limiting power around 500-600hp and it's a serious restriction above 750 (I've seen 60-80whp improvements going from 3in to 4in at that level) so if you're aiming for 900whp+ I'd consider a 4in downpipe & midpipe a necessity. You can neck it back down to 3 or 3.5in for the catback and still gain a ton of flow improvement overall, it doesn't need to be straight 4in. But if you decide to regularly run 1000+ someday I'd go straight 4in and accept the noise and ground clearance issues as part of having a 1000whp+ car.

There's a lot of just straight-up garbage chinese IC's out there that end up on Supras because they're 'good enough'. They often aren't. For your targeted HP goal I'd recommend a quality IC from GReddy, Treadstone, ETS, etc with 3in IC piping on both sides, and a 4in thick core.

ID1050X's (they don't make a ID1030 so I'm assuming you meant 1050X's because they're popular) will support around 600-650whp max with a single hellcat pump on E85. Did you change the feed line from the pump to the feed side of the rail? What about the stock pulsation damper and fuel filter? If you have an aftermarket fuel filter in AN lines, which filter did you get, and is it E85 compatible?

If you want 900whp on E85 you'll need ID1300X's at the bare minimum and that's if you run a ton of fuel pump at high fuel pressures. ID1700X's would be good future proofing.


Overall troubleshooting recommendations-

-Solve the WG issue. If your wastegate is a chinese knockoff, just remove it and put googly eyes on it and set it on your shelf. Name it Carl and blame it for everything that goes wrong on your car. Or throw it away. Or shoot it out of a cannon. Or yeet it into some idiot's face in a parking lot fight and make viral news with car dudes because someone's face got broken with a wastegate. Just don't leave it installed on your car.

-Once you've got a quality wastegate(or already have it) identify the spring pressure at which it opens, ensure that your boost controller is properly connected to that wastegate and you've got correct boost references. On a simple single line WG install, the vacuum line should go Turbo Compressor cover -> boost control solenoid -> Lower port in an external WG. Generally speaking, that configuration should be good for about 2x the WG spring's set pressure using a boost controller. Meaning if you've got a 14 psi spring in the WG, no EBC at all will get 14psi of boost, and maxing out the EBC will see ~26-28psi max boost. So choose a spring carefully based on the 'boost window' you want between low boost and max boost. Also note that as WG's get bigger, that 'boost window' will shrink as the larger WG valve area means it takes less exhaust backpressure to push it open against a given spring. So 60mm WG's are not always better, and on most 60mm setups the 'boost window' is closer to 1.6-1.8x the WG spring.
Using advanced EBC setups like a 3-port or 4-port actuator controlled by the ECU can get you better overall control and higher stable boost pressures on a given WG spring. But that takes more configuration and setup and that's for folks doing 'full send' which you don't need right now - you need to get your car to where it's making ~500whp on pump gas at about 18psi, where it should be.

-Fuel lines. If it's a fuel line issue restricting fuel flow, get that sorted immediately. If you have a hellcat pump running on the stock feed and return lines, yes, that's a restriction. I would strongly recommend going to a -6AN feed line from the pump straight into the fuel rail, using a staged -6AN filter set under the car. Run them so the fuel pump feeds directly into a 100 micron filter first, then have a 10 micron after the 100 micron filter. Make sure they're 100% E85 compatible. Bypass the stock filter and feed line entirely. You should be able to continue with the stock return line for now on the single pump, but if you have excess fuel pressure at idle that can't be controlled, you can use the stock feed line as a return with a few fittings. Eliminate the stock fuel filter from the feed line if you do that, of course.

-Check the Intercooler and all the IC piping for boost leaks and other issues. If it's a cheap chinese IC just keep it for now, but ensure you have zero boost leaks.

If you hadn't bought an Elite 2500, I'd say go back to the dyno with the AEM V2 at this point.

But since you did buy an Elite 2500, now's the time to get the patch harness you need (I'm sure one exists that can be used or altered to work just fine) and get the 2500 set up properly so it's ready for tuning. Then get it re-tuned at this level targeting pump gas and driveability only, which should be around 500whp maybe a bit more with an S366, especially if you have cams & a 4in downpipe and a quality intake manifold.

Beyond that, start addressing the downpipe/midpipe, intercooler, and bigger injectors & additional pumps recommended so you can go full flex fuel or dedicated E85 and target 800-900whp safely.
lmao thanks for all the man I appreciate it a lot. I plan on buying 1-2 more hellcat pumps and getting a new wastegate, I also believe the ffim exhaust manifold is leaking so would be good to go with a new one aswell. I want to use the haltech and haltech dash so I will need to iron out the harness issue. I am cool with getting bigger injectors aswell as the current ones lack...
 

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lmao thanks for all the man I appreciate it a lot. I plan on buying 1-2 more hellcat pumps and getting a new wastegate, I also believe the ffim exhaust manifold is leaking so would be good to go with a new one aswell. I want to use the haltech and haltech dash so I will need to iron out the harness issue. I am cool with getting bigger injectors aswell as the current ones lack...
Being 100% honest, I'd skip the Haltech dash unless your existing dash pieces are trashed. I've found that most aftermarket dash displays are either too bright at night, too dark during the day, or always in between and you're messing with the brightness all the time. Once you get the brightness dialed in I've found it's a lot easier to see needle angles in my peripherals than it is to read digital numbers on a display, so I just end up vastly preferring a primary gauge cluster that's all needle-and-dial for the primary stuff like the tach, speedo, temp, etc.

Something like a BTI gauge mounted in a non-permanent way over the clock or somewhere similar above the stereo so you can get the critical additional data like oil temps and peak boost and a/f's and all that.


Also, on the FFIM & exhaust manifold leaking, I'd do the proper testing for boost leaks and exhaust leaks before just throwing more parts at it. It really sucks to spend hundreds or thousands on other new parts to fix a problem, only to find out the problem was elsewhere and the expense wasn't necessary. So try to find ways to empirically prove you need something before getting the OMG-shiny-new-PARTS!!!! lust fired up - these cars will exceed any budget you set, so there's no sense making it worse if it can be avoided.

You will not need 3 hellcat pumps unless you're really going for 1300+whp on E85 or E98. Don't go overkill on any of that right now. If anything, buy the injectors you'll want in the endgame because that will save tons of tuning time and expense for your Haltech setup. Yes, you'll run out of fuel pump way before you run out of injector but it's a lot easier to add another pump/increase line size/etc and drive on, than it is to change injector size which means your tuner has to almost start all over again on the fueling side of your tune.

So cliffs notes
-Boost leak & vacuum leak test the hell out of everything
-Use an air compressor or even a bike pump to check wastegate spring pressure and proper operation. Replace the WG spring to one rated for ~14psi or so if it turns out you have a 7psi spring in it, which would explain why your boost controller was maxed out at 13psi. Replace the wastegate entirely if needed, again, 14-17psi or so is a good wastegate spring to start with.
-Verify your boost controller is installed correctly and working
-Acquire Haltech patch harness, work with your tuner to ensure it's installed correctly and set up for a base map.
-If it's within your budget, buy the 'never have to change them again' injectors. Given your 800-900whp goals I'd go ID1300X's or ID1700X's. The 1700's will give you more headroom on the injector side but idle quality, cruising mpg, etc will probably be slightly better with the ID1300's.
-Do that -6AN feed line as described to the stock rail. Install an adjustable pressure regulator with a gauge if you don't already have one. I really like the Radium stuff and recommend it.
-Double check your ignition setup and ensure you've got quality plugs with a nice boost-friendly narrow plug gap BEFORE your tuning appointment. I like NGK Iridiums for a setup like this, IIRC they're the BKR7EIX for the heat range 7 Iridium that fits the Supra but double check that, I'm on less than 4hrs of sleep in the past two days. Never buy spark plugs via amazon or ebay or any of that shit, tons of counterfeit NGK products are out there now. Buy only in person from an auto parts store. Bring an old spark plug to make sure the form factor and size is correct because the dude at the counter won't know.
-Fresh oil change and full tank of preferred fuel before the dyno day, do all the initial tuning on wastegate boost (should be within ~1psi of the rated spring pressure with the boost controller completely off) then let things cool down and start cranking up the boost. 18-19psi max on pump premium is a safe threshold for most setups like yours, and you should be a nudge over 500whp. On the corns, especially when the E% is above 70-80%, you can basically run it on 'full send' until you run out of fuel system. With the S366 turbo you have, you'll probably max that turbo out in the mid-high 700's to low-mid 800's (depending on cams, FFIM, exhaust size, intake temps, etc) and be making torque numbers right around the safe limit of the stock rods.
 

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I would LOVE this level of critique for my build, really well thought out responses here.
I just found your build thread and I want to buy you a beer and shake your hand for the step-by-step you've already dealt with. If you bump that thread with an exact full breakdown of where you're at and what's going on, I'll take a swing at it with the same diligence I did here. I'm sorry I don't have the time to read your whole thread start to finish :(
 

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a lot of jeffs advice just applied to my build also as I have a very similar setup and just went Haltech 2500. I’m not shooting for near as much power though so that answered everything and helped validate my next plan of action.😎
 

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Being 100% honest, I'd skip the Haltech dash unless your existing dash pieces are trashed. I've found that most aftermarket dash displays are either too bright at night, too dark during the day, or always in between and you're messing with the brightness all the time. Once you get the brightness dialed in I've found it's a lot easier to see needle angles in my peripherals than it is to read digital numbers on a display, so I just end up vastly preferring a primary gauge cluster that's all needle-and-dial for the primary stuff like the tach, speedo, temp, etc.

Something like a BTI gauge mounted in a non-permanent way over the clock or somewhere similar above the stereo so you can get the critical additional data like oil temps and peak boost and a/f's and all that.


Also, on the FFIM & exhaust manifold leaking, I'd do the proper testing for boost leaks and exhaust leaks before just throwing more parts at it. It really sucks to spend hundreds or thousands on other new parts to fix a problem, only to find out the problem was elsewhere and the expense wasn't necessary. So try to find ways to empirically prove you need something before getting the OMG-shiny-new-PARTS!!!! lust fired up - these cars will exceed any budget you set, so there's no sense making it worse if it can be avoided.

You will not need 3 hellcat pumps unless you're really going for 1300+whp on E85 or E98. Don't go overkill on any of that right now. If anything, buy the injectors you'll want in the endgame because that will save tons of tuning time and expense for your Haltech setup. Yes, you'll run out of fuel pump way before you run out of injector but it's a lot easier to add another pump/increase line size/etc and drive on, than it is to change injector size which means your tuner has to almost start all over again on the fueling side of your tune.

So cliffs notes
-Boost leak & vacuum leak test the hell out of everything
-Use an air compressor or even a bike pump to check wastegate spring pressure and proper operation. Replace the WG spring to one rated for ~14psi or so if it turns out you have a 7psi spring in it, which would explain why your boost controller was maxed out at 13psi. Replace the wastegate entirely if needed, again, 14-17psi or so is a good wastegate spring to start with.
-Verify your boost controller is installed correctly and working
-Acquire Haltech patch harness, work with your tuner to ensure it's installed correctly and set up for a base map.
-If it's within your budget, buy the 'never have to change them again' injectors. Given your 800-900whp goals I'd go ID1300X's or ID1700X's. The 1700's will give you more headroom on the injector side but idle quality, cruising mpg, etc will probably be slightly better with the ID1300's.
-Do that -6AN feed line as described to the stock rail. Install an adjustable pressure regulator with a gauge if you don't already have one. I really like the Radium stuff and recommend it.
-Double check your ignition setup and ensure you've got quality plugs with a nice boost-friendly narrow plug gap BEFORE your tuning appointment. I like NGK Iridiums for a setup like this, IIRC they're the BKR7EIX for the heat range 7 Iridium that fits the Supra but double check that, I'm on less than 4hrs of sleep in the past two days. Never buy spark plugs via amazon or ebay or any of that shit, tons of counterfeit NGK products are out there now. Buy only in person from an auto parts store. Bring an old spark plug to make sure the form factor and size is correct because the dude at the counter won't know.
-Fresh oil change and full tank of preferred fuel before the dyno day, do all the initial tuning on wastegate boost (should be within ~1psi of the rated spring pressure with the boost controller completely off) then let things cool down and start cranking up the boost. 18-19psi max on pump premium is a safe threshold for most setups like yours, and you should be a nudge over 500whp. On the corns, especially when the E% is above 70-80%, you can basically run it on 'full send' until you run out of fuel system. With the S366 turbo you have, you'll probably max that turbo out in the mid-high 700's to low-mid 800's (depending on cams, FFIM, exhaust size, intake temps, etc) and be making torque numbers right around the safe limit of the stock rods.
Sweet advice man really appreciate your time! Alot of the stuff related to tuning we did tuned on wastegate before moving over the manual boost controller and running those bigger feed lines for more fuel, Actually the car was popping alot on idle because I have iridium 9's gapped at 24 in it right now so Im going to go get some iridium 7's since I am on corn now to help it out.
 
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