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SP67/CTC67 - too much turbo for me?

2.5K views 19 replies 13 participants last post by  adjuster  
#1 ·
I've got all the bits on the way for the new engine, depending on when they arrive I should have it up and running in a month or so. Soooooo . . . I've been looking at turbos (the fun bit!).

Original plan: Sp61GT. Excellent spool, but I think it's going to be a little too small for me. I want something that will seriously embarass a 4-500hp MkIV and give me full boost around 4000rpm.

Medium plan: SP63. Everyones got one, or so it seems. I've seen some really good numbers out of it, but usually running REALLY high boost on rocket fuel. I want something that will perform well on pump fuel, street boost. Not just one time dyno blasts.

Loony plan: CTC67H/SP67. I think from what I've read that these are pretty much the same turbo. It seems that all the pieces are there; users report hitting full boost at 4100rpm with boost building way before that, even on pump fuel it should make enough power to annihilate street tyres in the first three gears, and once it hooks up there are only a few MkIV's in the country that will hang with it.

So it all sounds good for the 67. BUT. I don't want to go to a full standalone for $$$ reasons, my plan was to retain the Lexus AFM which I have, and upgrade my 550's for 780cc injectors along with a twin walbro pump setup (two feeds to the stock fuel line, one return). Then use the E-manageto work it all. I was also hoping to hang on to my Clutchmasters Stg 3 clutch as that's only been in for a year. I reckon all those pieces would work well for a smaller single, but are they going to be completely overwhelmed by a bigger single?

I think what I'm saying is . . . if I want to keep to my planned fuel/management/transmission setup, will I be able to work the 67 hard enough to get any advantage over a smaller turbo? Or will I have to put up with the extra lag without being able to take advantage of it's greater potential because of lots of bottlenecks in my setup.

I don't want much, just an 11 second daily driver which is reliable and has a nice powerband ;)
 
#2 ·
First things first: I don't drive a turbo. However, that doesn't mean I don't have a clue.

I'd say just go ahead with the turbo like you're planning and see what doesn't like it. I can't speak about the E-manage, and it sounds like you're set up for plenty of fuel, but the only thing I'm curious about is that clutch holding up to the kind of power you make it sound like this turbo can put out.

Go with the smaller turbo, and you'll probably kick yourself for it later.
 
#3 ·
If I have to run round for a while on super-low boost to preserve the clutch, that's not such a big deal; I can save up enough for a stronger one pretty quick. I'm more concerned about maxing out the Lexus AFM and finding I need a standalone with MAP sensor to make it work right. I'm not looking for the *perfect* setup, just something which works well and is reliable . . .

I've pretty much convinced myself that the big turbo is the one to go for, I just wanted to check there was nothing obvious I'm missing!
 
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#5 ·
There are a few people making some serious power with the Lexus AFM. You dont really need a standalone to run the SP67/CTC67, its just that most mkiv owners that build 600+rwhp motors tend to have alot of money and want everything top-of-the-line. I believe AZMongoose is running that turbo with a VPC setup, and lots more running bigger turbos with VPCs. I see no reason the Lexus and eManage would not work good with a big turbo.

As far as the turbo goes..... have you looked at the SP70? I hear guys talking about how it spools only 200-300rpm slower than the SP63, while making tons more power! Either way, the SP67/CTC67 or SP70 would be a great choice for a brutal street car. Let us know what you go with!
 
#10 ·
My correction Larry, the older ones do but of course
We all know though you are the man to get the goods from and if you dont know now you do!
SP is simply your one stop turbo shop and he has a vast knowledge on your supra application.
 
#12 ·
Trust me, you want the 67. I think it is hands down the ultimate street turbo. I put one on a MKIV and was blown away by it. It doesn't spool that much slower than a SP57, but makes WAY more power up top. Completely untuned at 18psi it made right around 500rwhp. Its capable of close to 700rwhp.

BTW my sig is a SP67.:D

Erin
 
#13 ·
Well, it's nice to hear that I'm not nuts ;) Also nice to hear that I should be able to run that big ass turbo (by my standards) on my intended set up.

What's the most hp that's been put down through the Lexus AFM? About 600 or so from memory . . . I think. What happens to the KV signal as you start to max it out? Will there come a point where the signal reaches a plateau and further airflow will produce no change in the signal? Or does it just become such a restriction that you can't physically suck any more air through it?

Larry: I'll call you when I get back to work, no sense putting international calls on my home phone bill ;)

Erin: Are you talking about the SP67GT or the "old skool" SP67? I'm wondering whether the GT is worth the extra money is all!
 
#15 ·
I just went over to Sound Performance and all I saw was MK4 stuff. I know those guys look at these posts, so how about it guys. Lets see some MK3 articles, projects, and customer cars.
Thanks for everything you've done for us so far. I look forward to doing business with you when the time comes.
 
#20 ·
I think the ones that Larry is talking about is the newer GT setups with ported intakes that allow full tilt running with no flow issues.
Also sounds like the ported intake housing solves the low boost turbulence too.
I was reading about the new BC18 compressor wheel used in the GT series turbos, and wonder why we can't get that wheel in our older turbos? Just a thought. Compared to the 60 trim wheel, the new one is totally better across the board.