Spark Plugs???

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KJSUPRA

Discussion Starter · Dec 4, 2001

How many miles on average do you guys get from the NGK 3330's? I have had mine in for about 12k miles and have just started noticing a high rpm miss. Is this normal mileage for these plugs? Thanks...

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sleeper

· #2 · Dec 4, 2001

I change plugs at every other oil change, ~5000 miles. I currently have the 3330's, but switching to 6097's in my next change. I don't like the idling characteristics of the 3330's. even tried different gapping. Do you notice an occasional miss when you are waiting for a long period of time at a traffic light? The 6097's supposedly don't have this annoying characteristic.

G

· #3 · Dec 4, 2001

Sheeit. I just put the 3330's in, and I'm getting the same thing.... A rough idle, and an occasional miss.

Sleeper, could you email me when you put in the 6097's and tell we what happens?

Thanks

sleeper

· #4 · Dec 4, 2001

Darkgrey3K said:
Sleeper, could you email me when you put in the 6097's and tell we what happens?

Thanks

Will do.

supra_10

· #5 · Dec 4, 2001

Who carries these plugs? Online/mail order or local store...

Jay

sleeper

· #6 · Dec 4, 2001

supra_10 said:
Who carries these plugs? Online/mail order or local store...

Jay

www.sparkplugs.com
www.mvpmotorsports.com carries the 3330's.

Order in bulk quantities to save on shipping.

You can also order the 3330's at your local store, I don't know about the 6097 though.

NGK3330, part# BCPR7ES
NGK6097, part# BKR7E

ToeJamme

· #7 · Dec 5, 2001

I just ordered NGK 6097's yesterday through Monarch over the phone. $1.80 each.

888 800-9629

supra_10

· #8 · Dec 5, 2001

ToeJamme

I tried to reach them via the 888 # but it's not accessible from my area.
Do you have a non-800 for them?
Do they have a web site?
Where are they located?
Is Monarch their full name?

Thx,

Jay :blue:

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G

· #9 · Dec 5, 2001

monarch phone # (909)672-8501

or

Just go to sparkplugs.com and follow the NGK link.

Chris

supra_10

· #10 · Dec 5, 2001

Thx, Chris.

Jay

G

· #11 · Dec 5, 2001

Run a quick search on 6097's and 3330's... the topic has been discussed in depth. One particular post went into the technical side of why the 6097's were better.

Personally, I tried both. I like the 6097's better, because of the smoother idling and power delivery (especially in TTC mode).

BTW, you can order both parts through your local Advance Auto. Their PDQ (Parts Delivered Quickly) service is overnight, and you should have them a lot faster than ordering online (cheaper, too, as I recall that mine ran about $1.30 each).

For anyone who wants to try the 3330's, let me know. I have a virtually new set (only about 25 miles on them... couldn't STAND the rough idle OR missing). I'll even ship them to you for free (why you might ask? well, I figure I get a lot of free help from the board, so I might as well pass the good fortune along). Although I strongly recommend that whoever receives this set ALSO tries the 6097's...

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supra_10

· #12 · Dec 5, 2001 (Edited)

achilles99,

Thanks much for the info.
Based on what I read on this thread, I think that I would like to take you up on your offer and try the 3330s. I'm curious as to whether or not they're going to affect idle as they did for you.
Currently I'm still stock (BPU, soon).

I plan on getting the 6097s, however, I would like to experiment with the 3330s.
Regarding price, I'm surprised..., Monarch is selling them at $1.80 a piece. The price difference seems a bit much (if you actually paid $1.30).

Should I end up not keeping the 3330s in my engine, I'd be willing to pass them on to somebody else.

Please let me know if your offer still stands.

Jay :blue:

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G

· #13 · Dec 5, 2001 (Edited)

Yep, my offer still stands. Send me an email with your address (should be under my user profile or something). Definitely compare it with the 6097's, promise me that you'll pass it to the person, and you've got yourself an almost new of the plugs

BTW, the plugs were DEFINITELY cheaper than $1.80 a piece, even with tax included. And, I didn't have to wait for shipping... picked them up the next morning myself at the local store

What have others been paying at THEIR local Advance Auto ???

theman

· #14 · Dec 5, 2001

That's what I paid at my AA store also... They're great for ordering that kind of stuff since you're giving them the actual NGK number they don't have to put in any effort.

elejes

· #15 · Dec 5, 2001

Payed around $10 for my 6097's at Advance Autoparts.

supra_10

· #16 · Dec 5, 2001

Hey gang,

I have some questions for you guys, mainly on spark plugs:
MKIV.com mentions a "v-power" design. Page @:
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/cars_trucks_suvs/vpower.asp

1. Are the 3330s & 6097s of this v-power family?
2. If one searches NGK site for a spark plug per Toyota/ Supra/ 94/turbo, the part that comes up is 2978 with a .044 gap.
Any info on this spark plug and why does it seem to be "recommended" per NGK?
3. Toyota quoted me around $12/ea for their plug. Is the price justified, based on performance/quality?

I'm now @ 70M. Anything else, besides spark plugs, that needs to be replaced/serviced? Any filters, etc?
I'd like to get "street smart" and experience-based advice and not just "by the book".

I know that a service/maintanence schedule is somwhere on MKIV.com, however, I'm having hard time finding info on this site as it comes too dark on my tube.
BTW, another issue that I'm having with MKIV,com info is that pages are not dated so some of the stuff could be actually long outdated.

Thx in advance,

Jay

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sleeper

· #17 · Dec 5, 2001

supra_10 said:
Hey gang,

I have some questions for you guys, mainly on spark plugs:
MKIV.com mentions a "v-power" design. Page @:
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/cars_trucks_suvs/vpower.asp

1. Are the 3330s & 6097s of this v-power family?
2. If one searches NGK site for a spark plug per Toyota/ Supra/ 94/turbo, the part that comes up is 2978 with a .044 gap.
Any info on this spark plug and why does it seem to be "recommended" per NGK?
3. Toyota quoted me around $12/ea for their plug. Is the price justified, based on performance/quality?

I'm now @ 70M. Anything else, besides spark plugs, that needs to be replaced/serviced? Any filters, etc?
I'd like to get "street smart" and experience-based advice and not just "by the book".

I know that a service/maintanence schedule is somwhere on MKIV.com, however, I'm having hard time finding info on this site as it comes too dark on my tube.
BTW, another issue that I'm having with MKIV,com info is that pages are not dated so some of the stuff could be actually long outdated.

Thx in advance,

Jay

1)The 3330's do not have the v-groove design in the center electrode.

2)The 2978 with 0.044 gap is for stock operation.
NGK doesn't assume you will be modding the car to high boost levels.

3)Those $12 plugs are probably the platinum plugs.

When I did my 60K mile service, I added the timing belt, tensionser, tensioner pulley. Also replaced the water pump(which in now upgraded, metal fan), crank and camshaft seals, new valve cover seal, pcv and pcv hoses.

I didn't know about it then, only found out later(coolant leak), replace the 2 o-rings of the "coolant bypass pipe", this pipe is directly above the water pump.

supra_10

· #18 · Dec 6, 2001

sleeper,

"1)The 3330's do not have the v-groove design in the center electrode."
Do the 6097s have this v-groove?
At BPU, should I care about this v-groove?

"2)The 2978 with 0.044 gap is for stock operation.
NGK doesn't assume you will be modding the car to high boost levels."
Are the 2978s good for BPU? To what level of boost?

Thx for your input,

Jay :blue:

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sleeper

· #19 · Dec 6, 2001

supra_10 said:
sleeper,

"1)The 3330's do not have the v-groove design in the center electrode."
Do the 6097s have this v-groove?
At BPU, should I care about this v-groove?

"2)The 2978 with 0.044 gap is for stock operation.
NGK doesn't assume you will be modding the car to high boost levels."
Are the 2978s good for BPU? To what level of boost?

Thx for your input,

Jay :blue:

The 6097 looks like it has a v-groove in the center electrode, you might want to call NGK and ask them if it is really a "v-groove" design plug, here is a pic.

The 2978 is a platinum plug with heat range 6, for BPU the recommendation is heat range 7(3330/6097) and since it is platinum, at BPU it is poor at conducting heat compared to the 3330/6097. Never tried platinum plugs so I wouldn't how they perform at BPU.

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G

· #20 · Dec 6, 2001 (Edited)

I just got the 6097's and need advice. What would be a good gap for my car? Also do you HAVE to tourqe the plugs to spec.? Mods are in the sig...

Thanks,
Chris

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