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Exactly as mavisky said. It's basically a tune that plays with the stock cams' timing to give it a nice aggressive lope. Ford outdid themselves with the new 5.0. I'd love to drop one of those in my 93LX even more than the Termi engine. I know in MM&FF with boost they made more power than the 5.4 did with a similarly sized Kenne Bell blower.

Nice video about the 5.0. Sorry for going OT since the thread is about the Boss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqjffnO7VLI&feature=player_embedded
 

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Stevie Theo said it best a few years best - we are at a pinnacle of gas powered autos right now.

$40k gets you 440hp and mid-11s. Unreal.
 

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Got to drive a 5.0 the other day. I'm very impressed with the car. It still steers like a truck though. Reminds me of the vague direction-less feel I get with my Yukon. At least the suspension is a lot better than all the previous mustangs. If they'd fix the steering and dumped the solid-axle then I'd consider getting one.

They don't need to dump the GT500 though; they need to UPGRADE!!! Turn it into a driver's car and strap a supercharger onto the 5.0.

I wonder if the Boss upgrades will become standard fare in the inevitable refresh in a few years.

And making a custom ECU tune "just to get a cam lope" is fucking retarded. Gee! Let's hurt our gas mileage and look like idiots for wanting our motor to sound like the very thing our new-tech motor prevents us from having to resort to! Ugh. Like the gangster wannabe's who drop loads of pennies into their trunk after installing a nice sound system "just so it rattles and sounds more ghetto".
 

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Got to drive a 5.0 the other day. I'm very impressed with the car. It still steers like a truck though. Reminds me of the vague direction-less feel I get with my Yukon. At least the suspension is a lot better than all the previous mustangs. If they'd fix the steering and dumped the solid-axle then I'd consider getting one.

They don't need to dump the GT500 though; they need to UPGRADE!!! Turn it into a driver's car and strap a supercharger onto the 5.0.

I wonder if the Boss upgrades will become standard fare in the inevitable refresh in a few years.

And making a custom ECU tune "just to get a cam lope" is fucking retarded. Gee! Let's hurt our gas mileage and look like idiots for wanting our motor to sound like the very thing our new-tech motor prevents us from having to resort to! Ugh. Like the gangster wannabe's who drop loads of pennies into their trunk after installing a nice sound system "just so it rattles and sounds more ghetto".
I think you are missing what happens with the ghost cam. It changes the valve timing and acts like a more aggressively cut cam for low end power. Hence lumpier at idle. Its not an electric BOV or a fake intercooler, it changes the powerband and cam behavior without changing the cam.

I will say though I would love it if Mustang offered two flavors. The road course flavor and the drag strip flavor. They would have an unstoppable sales potential and not need to contuially find compromises. That said, live axle and all the new Mustang appears to be a thing of beauty. I can't speak to the 1st handness of it so far, but I never found the prior models, 2010 or so, to be totally devoid of feel as you mention either. Not an Exige, but not a truck by any sense.
 

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The whole car modding hobby is retarded. Why dump thousands of dollars into a car to make tons of power when 95% of the time you aren't going to use it? Because it's your money and if going fast is your thing, do you. Exhaust only nets minimal gains but is one of the first things a performance car owner does so his car sounds more aggressive. Well if I like how a more aggressive cam sound like most car enthusiasts do and it's an add on to a tune with no adverse effects then why not?
 

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Well I have a buddy who ownes a new 5.0 with a procharger on it with boss intake and full exhaust. His car made 705 rwhp.... This motor has never been opened.!!!! That's very impressive for any car let alone a mustang 5.0.. Even though I am a fan of the cobra and saleen(I've owned a twin turbo cobra) I would rather own my supra, since they are rare. Unlike a mustang. Every corner u turn you see them.....
 

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The whole car modding hobby is retarded. Why dump thousands of dollars into a car to make tons of power when 95% of the time you aren't going to use it? Because it's your money and if going fast is your thing, do you. Exhaust only nets minimal gains but is one of the first things a performance owner does so his car sounds more aggressive. Well if I like how a more aggressive cam sound like most car enthusiasts do and it's an add on to a tune with no adverse effects then why not?
Remember what you just said the next time you talk shit about a 'ricer'. Many cars actually net A LOT from exhaust upgrades. Motors like my S2k, not so much. To counter your exhaust argument again, even if minimal max power is made there is generally good midrange gained along with better throttle response. I've got NO PROBLEM with exhausts or anything like that. But putting in a 'ghost cam' as in how I understand it (I could be wrong in my understanding of LSA and cam lope), is actually DECREASING performance. It idles worse, wastes more fuel at idle and probably has slightly worse pickup immediately off-idle.

I think you are missing what happens with the ghost cam. It changes the valve timing and acts like a more aggressively cut cam for low end power. Hence lumpier at idle. Its not an electric BOV or a fake intercooler, it changes the powerband and cam behavior without changing the cam.

I will say though I would love it if Mustang offered two flavors. The road course flavor and the drag strip flavor. They would have an unstoppable sales potential and not need to contuially find compromises. That said, live axle and all the new Mustang appears to be a thing of beauty. I can't speak to the 1st handness of it so far, but I never found the prior models, 2010 or so, to be totally devoid of feel as you mention either. Not an Exige, but not a truck by any sense.
Maybe I misunderstand single static cam motors like pushrod motors, but the lumpier the idle, the WORSE the low-end is. High valve overlap means more midrange, but we're talking about idle and off-idle here.

The cool thing about this motor is its a REAL American DOHC powerhouse and its affordable! It's fucking awesome! We don't need lumpy cams anymore. Lumpy cams exist on pushrod motors because they can't change a cam's profile dynamically based on rpm/load/etc. They just have to deal with it. It's become a mark of a car with heavy mods, so I can understand WHY the sound is preferable, but the other consequences aren't so hot imo.

Prior to the 2010 suspension package, I've been pretty turned-off by Mustangs in general (minus the last-gen Cobra-R or something like that). The live axle may be nice on smooth pavement, but review after review finds it's still a liability on even marginally less-than-smooth pavement. I wasn't able to run it for a long period of time, just about 20 minutes (my co-worker let me drive it to lunch). But while the suspension was MUCH improved over what I've experienced the past, the car's steering feels more like a Toyota Camry to be honest. Our 370z would run literal circles around this thing on a tight track (fugetaboutit in a straight-line tho lol).

I like the idea of the different car versions though. At least give us say Hyundai Genesis style of handling?
 

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