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#1 · (Edited)
Hey all, I have been lagging on my project for a while because of lack of funds (struggling college student) and well mostly laziness but I have mostly acquired the main portions of my build. The reason why I dubb my car as a "Blasphemous Supra" is because Supra owners are purists with the Turbo setups (which there is totally nothing wrong with that!!!). I know some of you have seen this done in certain articles on the net and when I first acquired my car I have always wanted to go this route but didn't have a extra car to drive while my Supra was down. But now that I do its going down! :rockon: .

I know most of your will think that this isn't very unpractical or cost worthy as in terms of power but its different and different is sometimes more fun and I really want to feel pure response out of the engine. I am planning on trying to make this a fast and high revving engine because it will remain Non Turbo.

I haven't started the build yet but I will shortly since I just passed smog last week. Here is my list of parts I will be using:

Custom Individual Throttle Body Manifold
Xerd Headers
Stock injectors (holds up to 300rwhp so no need to upgrade just yet)
AEM EMS
Titanum retainers (still need to buy)
Double Valve Springs (still need to buy
TRD strut bar
Techno Toy Tuning Velocity Stacks
TT Valve Covers
TT Spark Plug Cover
AEM EMS
TRD tachometer

OK OK on to the pictures.

This is my ITB set up I will be using. It is utilizing two sets of 4age 20v black top throttle bodies. I had them custom fabbed to a extra NA lower plenum with a custom base plate which they bolt up on. I chose to go with the black top throttle bodies since they are a tad bit bigger than the Silver top ones.
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My AEM EMS Ver 1.
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My TRD Tachometer I bought from Titan
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TRD strut bar
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As other have said in the past, it is very unpractical but the interest of what I can do with the non-turbo engine interests me a great deal...

I am tired from work so there will be more to come but nothing too soon or drastic. I should be starting on the project soon. :ugh2:
 
#2 ·
I wasn't completely sure if I was correct in my guess when I replied in your thread but just came up with a guess based on clues but turns out I was right! And like I said in the thread, this will definitely add some uniqueness to your car despite this route being done before. Wish you luck on the build, keep us updated! Subscribed.
 
#7 ·
What kind of power are you trying to make? I wouldnt think you'd be able to make as much as a stock tt.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Thanks you guys for the kind words and motivation. I am gonna start taking off the intake manifold tonight and start the process. Its gonna be a slow build and I probably wont be able to put the cams in soon but I am concentrating on getting the ITB's to get working.




Umm I am shooting for 250+whp. But we will see. Like I said in my first couple of paragraphs, not going for power but response out of the engine.

Awesome man! Are you just gonna run open velocity stacks, or are you gonna build some kind of plenum to look like an intake manifold, or just some big foam filters on the velocity stacks?

And I agree, that a nice bump in compression would absolutely love those ITB's!

I think once the setup is all tuned in, you should be able to make some pretty decent horsepower. I mean the k20 (2.0L 4cyl) honda boys make 250 all motor horsepower all the time with pretty mild builds. Granted head flow plays a huge part in this, but just a simple comparison. So with 2 more cylinders and an extra liter of displacement, I don't see how at least 300hp isn't pretty easily attainable. Especially through a manual trans. Plus a 100shot of nitrous would be a lovely addition if you ever needed it.
I will be running open velocity stacks for the mean time and then buy foam filters to go on those stacks. Yea I think 300hp is attainable as well when I was reading the specs on the YSR supra. I am running slightly bigger throttle bodies than he is and bigger cams. We will see what happens. =)


You're putting 280 duration camshafts on an NA?
Yea sumting wong?
 
#11 · (Edited)
Awesome man! Are you just gonna run open velocity stacks, or are you gonna build some kind of plenum to look like an intake manifold, or just some big foam filters on the velocity stacks?

And I agree, that a nice bump in compression would absolutely love those ITB's!

I think once the setup is all tuned in, you should be able to make some pretty decent horsepower. I mean the k20 (2.0L 4cyl) honda boys make 250 all motor horsepower all the time with pretty mild builds. Granted head flow plays a huge part in this, but just a simple comparison. So with 2 more cylinders and an extra liter of displacement, I don't see how at least 300hp isn't pretty easily attainable. Especially through a manual trans. Plus a 100shot of nitrous would be a lovely addition if you ever needed it.

Along with the mods you have already, I would do.....

Full 3" straight through exhaust (I think you already have this)
Bump the compression to like 12:1-12.5:1 (can still run 93 pump)
Port and polish the head
Plenum around the ITBs with a ram air pipe coming from the drivers side duct (or the headlight even better)
Nitrous (400 "all motor" hp ftw!)
 
#23 ·
comend you doing something differernt but IMO just go TT swap, keep it BPU or stock if you dont have the funds. more fun and power then what you get out of what you are planing to do.
 
#24 ·
A truly "blasphemous" buildup would be to swap out the 2JZ-GE for something alongs the line of pushrod V8 like an LS1.

It seems those engines are winding up in every sort of car nowadays, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.


I definetly give you a high amount of kudos for originality.
 
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#30 · (Edited)
Took me long enough to get around to this thread!

Seeing the same old 2j Big Single engine bays (including mine) at SILV every year was getting pretty damn boring! When Brendan brought this to my attention, guys, i was jumping up and down "DO IT, DO IT"!!! This is a project next to NOBODY here in the states has yet to accomplish and post about! It's a milestone for us here in the states. Almost like the first 1j swap done by Mike Urbano back in the day! "Why go 1j when u can go 2j?!" is something many said and laughed about when that swap was first introduced here in the states, and look at how far it has come overall. It's practically one of the first mods a mk3 owner does now! :p

Again following the norm gets boring and redundant. Once again i throw myself to an extent into that pot! Frankly I'm kinda shocked there hasn't been more people trying this setup as B is doing. It's not THAT crazy and can even support a turbo setup down the line no problem!!!! as seen here on Dan's car (which may i add was the most responsive and aggressive ride i have ever been in!!)...


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Brendan has made it clear what his goals are and am still kinda wondering why some are still second guessing. :scratch:


GO B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#34 ·
Took me long enough to get around to this thread!

Seeing the same old 2j Big Single engine bays (including mine) at SILV every year was getting pretty damn boring! When Brendan brought this to my attention, guys, i was jumping up and down "DO IT, DO IT"!!! This is a project next to NOBODY here in the states has yet to accomplish and post about! It's a milestone for us here in the states. Almost like the first 1j swap done by Mike Urbano back in the day! "Why go 1j when u can go 2j?!" is something many said and laughed about when that swap was first introduced here in the states, and look at how far it has come overall. It's practically one of the first mods a mk3 owner does now! :p

Again following the norm gets boring and redundant. Once again i throw myself to an extent into that pot! Frankly I'm kinda shocked there hasn't been more people trying this setup as B is doing.

Brendan has made it clear what his goals are and am still kinda wondering why some are still second guessing. :scratch:


GO B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank Nick, means a lot coming from you bud. We talked about this setup a long ass time ago at a meet in the Tustin Market place and that sparked my interest and motivation to once get this going. I will no way in any shape or form be as innovative as Mike Urbano (RIP brotha). I can only try to follow people's footsteps like his in trying something different. Nick, you gave me a lot of motivation to follow through with this. thanks man. for the encouragement man...

Just so we're clear, the goals on this car are 250-300whp, NA, high rev, high cost build?

Why not just do the opposite the s2000 guys are doing with 2j swaps and throw an s2000 motor in? That'll teach em!
Haha yea that would be a trip to put a S2k engine in the supra but... I like keeping same make engines in the same make chassis (Hence my throttle bodies are from the toyota 4age). I am trying to make it as high revving as possible but I am a college student that makes not that much money so it will be a slow build. I will be totally happy with 250whp revving to 8-9k rpm. Like I said, we will see...

Well its finally getting started haha. Good luck with the project. I'm sure eventually it'll be able to break over 300whp with a linear torque band like the Ysr supra right? ;)
haha I have no idea what this is gonna be like. if i can match the YSR without touching the block I will be very content. thanks sam.
 
#35 ·
So far what I know what I can do with this setup is that I could possibly rev to 9k optimisically and my mapping will be TPS based after talking to a couple of respectable tuners.