[CheckElbow]

Insert roll eyes emoji here.. bud are you serious? Give it up.

That's exactly what I thought.

Don't get shriveled nuts and try to backpedal now.

Tomorrow I'll be sure to post my deposition and photographic exhibits, Marcia.

 

[s937717]

You're talking about self awareness when you can't even read and decipher that the topic in question was merely that more weight = more traction?

There was no other debate, you created one.

Then lost it.

Lmao.

I already summarily dismissed your previous claim that I don't own a Supra, seeing as how I don't owe you any kind of explanation since you are absolutely nobody - but since I seem to live rent free in your head, would me writing down "Patrick94TT is dickriding clown" on a piece of paper laying on the hood of my Supra be sufficient evidence for you, Sherlock?

brb

Nah, the topic was when you told someone to brush up on their physics because he said less weight would handle and corner better. I'm still waiting on your explanation there. The topic in question was never grip from a stand still. It was very specifically about about cornering.

More weight does not equal better handling; tires do not work that way. If the GTR was lighter it would handle better and corner harder. Sounds like he was making excuses, haha.

We're all still waiting for this picture of "Patrick is a dickhead".

 

[Noble713]

More weight does not equal better handling; tires do not work that way. If the GTR was lighter it would handle better and corner harder. Sounds like he was making excuses, haha.

I went digging around the internet and it seems the original videos aren't on YT anymore (they are like 10 years old). This thread on the NSX forum has URLS/links to all of the videos but they are all gone: http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showthread.php/128804-The-creator-of-GTR-explains-how-the-GTR-is-so-heavy

The vids were a goldmine of info, it's like 30+ minutes of just Mizuno-san with a whiteboard, with English subtitles.

The closest thing I can find is this Top Gear interview which kinda summarizes his key points:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/top-gear-magazine/top-gear-chats-mizuno-san-mr-gt-r

 

[s937717]

I went digging around the internet and it seems the original videos aren't on YT anymore (they are like 10 years old). This thread on the NSX forum has URLS/links to all of the videos but they are all gone: http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showthread.php/128804-The-creator-of-GTR-explains-how-the-GTR-is-so-heavy

The vids were a goldmine of info, it's like 30+ minutes of just Mizuno-san with a whiteboard, with English subtitles.

The closest thing I can find is this Top Gear interview which kinda summarizes his key points:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/top-gear-magazine/top-gear-chats-mizuno-san-mr-gt-r

I think a lot of what he says about weight is related to safety and usability.

When he said oversteer is foolish he wasn't joking lol. Without turning vdc off there's pretty much a hard limit to oversteer. http://instagr.am/p/BuK1F4ABkFY/ that's my car in R mode on snow tires. You can hammer away at it and the car won't slide past a specific angle. With vdc off it becomes a completely different car though. There's some extensive warnings that turning vdc off is unsafe lol.

 

[JOutterbridge]

Takumi, exactly what the new Supra lacks. Great article indeed.

 

[Elliot]

I went digging around the internet and it seems the original videos aren't on YT anymore (they are like 10 years old). This thread on the NSX forum has URLS/links to all of the videos but they are all gone: http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showthread.php/128804-The-creator-of-GTR-explains-how-the-GTR-is-so-heavy

The vids were a goldmine of info, it's like 30+ minutes of just Mizuno-san with a whiteboard, with English subtitles.

The closest thing I can find is this Top Gear interview which kinda summarizes his key points:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/top-gear-magazine/top-gear-chats-mizuno-san-mr-gt-r

He is talking about making the car easier to drive for a wide consumer base. Downforce =/= weight. Downforce and weight affect the car in different ways. Him comparing the two is an oversimplification: "An F1 car weighs 560kg, more than 600kg with the driver. How much downforce does an F1 car generate? Currently, it is around 1,300kg. So what is the total weight? 1,860kg [about the same as a GT-R with the driver on board, coincidentally]. A GT1 racing car weighs between 1,200 and 1,300kg. Plus downforce of 600kg, the actual weight on the car is 1,800kg… you see, very easy!” ". If you follow this logic the GTR should be just as fast an an F1 car around a circuit if it was using identical tires.

Downforce is a force that acts on the tire on the z axis. But wait, weight does the same thing, right? Only while the car is stationary or moving in a straight line. As soon as you yaw the car you have to accelerate the weight in the direction that you're moving. Some of the weight is transferred to a vertical load on the tire and the rest is a horizontal load. This is why cars slide. The tire cannot handle the horizontal load from the weight. Downforce is so great because you get the vertical load on the tire that increases grip, but without having to carry extra weight around the corner that loads the tire horizontally.

 

[te72]

...Downforce is so great because you get the vertical load on the tire that increases grip, but without having to carry extra weight around the corner that loads the tire horizontally.

Ding ding ding, this guy gets it. Transitional handling is a key factor in autocross in particular, my Miata being over 1000 lbs lighter than my Supra is all the education I need to understand this principle. Supra has wider, stickier tires, far better brakes, a much stiffer chassis, and about 5x the power, yet... the Miata is every bit as quick around the cones.

Weight man... it matters. Particularly now, as we head into winter. A heavier car might get going ok, but the moment you turn that wheel on icy roads... turns out that whole "bodies in motion" idea about them wanting to stay in motion holds especially true. Ask all those "I gots 4wd, I can goez as fast as I want" folks how they ended up in the ditch.

 

[ScrewDrvr]

this thread ?

 

[95MKIVTT]

I don't care if his build is the ark of the covenant

oooh this is getting SPICY!!!

CheckElbow is a troll who gets called out and makes another username. This has been going on for at least a couple years and is no secret. He does not own a Supra, contradicting his “top secret/dynosaur lol” 6spd he claims in his signature. Apparently his goal in life is to seem important on an Internet forum. Literally ignore everything he says.

I had a feeling this was it. And the plot thickens. Is this the same guy that insulted you saying you don't know anything about building a Supra?

Cool story.

I don't need more than one liners to convey that the sky is blue.

Quit crying because you got shown up and were relegated to regurgitating something you hastily Google'd.

dude you are nothing more than a Suprafreshman/ricer. You are from the same group of tools that think that the Zupra is fast because its new, and that the Supra is not a good handler because it was heavy (3400lbs is feather light when compared to others) then call REAL owners and fans like us boomers simply because we offered experienced advice. You offer no sound advice other than putting others down and thinking you know better. Stop.

 

[CheckElbow]

oooh this is getting SPICY!!!




I had a feeling this was it. And the plot thickens. Is this the same guy that insulted you saying you don't know anything about building a Supra?



dude you are nothing more than a Suprafreshman/ricer. You are from the same group of tools that think that the Zupra is fast because its new, and that the Supra is not a good handler because it was heavy (3400lbs is feather light when compared to others) then call REAL owners and fans like us boomers simply because we offered experienced advice. You offer no sound advice other than putting others down and thinking you know better. Stop.

You're an idiot. If you had a 5th grade reading level, you'd see that I hate the new fake Supra and am a grand ambassador for the real Supra.

I have forgotten more about cars, trucks and bikes than you'll ever know.

I am a Supra veteran. Clearly based on your response and lack of research, you're the rookie.

I just keep knocking them down. That's why that boy didn't say jack when I offered to take a photo of my gorgeous Supra with a sign in front of it calling him a dumbass.

You're dismissed.

 

[Patrick94TT]

Please post the picture.

 

[95MKIVTT]

You're an idiot. If you had a 5th grade reading level, you'd see that I hate the new fake Supra and am a grand ambassador for the real Supra.

my fifth grade reading level showed me you are no different from those kids.

I have forgotten more about cars, trucks and bikes than you'll ever know.

just like this "top secret Supra" we keep hearing about.

I am a Supra veteran. Clearly based on your response and lack of research, you're the rookie.

yeah Im the rookie, Ive just been a member of this forum since 2001,(different account, when SF was a different format) known about and wanted a MKIV TT since 1994, and actually own a 95 Alpine Silver Twin Turbo that is BPU+, which I bought stock in 2002. Ive also thanks to members like Patrick learned along the way more about this car and its history than you and Im currently working on my drag build. But again, I dont know nothing

I just keep knocking them down. That's why that boy didn't say jack when I offered to take a photo of my gorgeous Supra with a sign in front of it calling him a dumbass.

Patrick may have his times but in the end he knows WAY more than you and is highly respected here for his knowledge. It takes LOTS to really get his goat. But you, oh my he made an exception.

Sit down jr.

 

[CheckElbow]

my fifth grade reading level showed me you are no different from those kids.

just like this "top secret Supra" we keep hearing about.

yeah Im the rookie, Ive just been a member of this forum since 2001,(different account, when SF was a different format) known about and wanted a MKIV TT since 1994, and actually own a 95 Alpine Silver Twin Turbo that is BPU+, which I bought stock in 2002. Ive also thanks to members like Patrick learned along the way more about this car and its history than you and Im currently working on my drag build. But again, I dont know nothing

Patrick may have his times but in the end he knows WAY more than you and is highly respected here for his knowledge. It takes LOTS to really get his goat. But you, oh my he made an exception.

Sit down jr.

If you had any common sense you wouldn't compare me to any individual who likes the Zupr4. You're an idiot.

Correct, I have a Supra Turbo and it has top secret parts.

Wrong. Both of you combined still aren't in my rearview.

Please post the picture.

When I get around to it I have no problem making you look stupid. You sound miserable trying to tell people what kind of vehicles they own and how they would join a Supra forum when they don't have one. Makes so much sense

 

[Patrick94TT]

So you offer a picture of your car with a tag that says I’m a dick or whatever then when I say go ahead you say it’s not worth your time and I’m a miserable internet troll. Got it bud.

 

[CheckElbow]

So you offer a picture of your car with a tag that says I’m a dick or whatever then when I say go ahead you say it’s not worth your time and I’m a miserable internet troll. Got it bud.

Nice deflection. Try again.

You're the troll. Try it on someone else because it won't work on me.

I didn't say anything like that. What I said was, I will post it when I get around to it - meaning whenever I get back around the car for another reason then I will take the photo being that you aren't a priority of mine whatsoever.

You are a moron with no leg to stand on. I do not have some burden of proof, you're the idiot actually thinking that someone would post in a forum for a car that they don't own.

Lay off of the bong.

 

[Patrick94TT]

Oh you got me again.

 

[CheckElbow]

Oh you got me again.

Sure did, Britney.

 

[Patrick94TT]

Still waiting sweetheart

 

[CheckElbow]

Still waiting sweetheart

And you'll wait as long as I say so, suckboy.

I run this show.

 

[95MKIVTT]

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And you'll wait as long as I say so, suckboy.

I run this show.

man seriously shut up, you are making yourself look even more like those ricers. Before checking your elbow check yourself.