Track Conditions...TOOOO STICKY???

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Discussion Starter · Nov 26, 2003 (Edited)

Is it possible that a track or tire can be too sticky??Last sunday I drove my supra 8 hours each way to race at Englishtown only to get 4 passes and bogg every time..

There were over 600 cars racing (mostly tubbed domestics with massive slicks) further gouping the track with every sunny pass..After my last pass I parked my dawg on an incline in nuetral, ebrake off, and it stuck to the hill, thats just nutty!!

I even tried launching at 6 grand with 25pnds in the rear tires, and it still bogged

Should I (could I) have launched at rev limiter??One driver said, maybe my car didn't make enough torque to climb outa the hole under those conditions??(stock twins, no nos, et streets)..Posted some slips below, any advise on what to do next time this happens would be greatly appreciated..Thanks!!

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drift tt 23

· #2 · Nov 26, 2003

from what i found out the track prep was done very well due to the 8.0 record holder mustang among other top end fast cars that day. they even sprayed glue ever so often. so yes it was very sticky icky.

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jaynite

· #3 · Nov 26, 2003

this is why i said if a track is prepped correctly it will work great, between them prepping it and all the big tire cars there would have to be a shit load of grip on the starting line

jay

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jaynite

· #4 · Nov 26, 2003

they spray vht traction compound down.. thats what they do when they prep the starting line. jay

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neonafk

· #5 · Nov 27, 2003 (Edited)

yo ryan i got an idea.

use my "method" of launching..(im going to have to patent this one day...) heh if you go to 6000, build almost 0 psi of boost and dump the clutch, i can gurantee you will NOT stick.
edit:i would slip very gradually from 4500. no tire spin on those street tires, nor wheelhop.

brett

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jaynite

· #6 · Nov 28, 2003

but he was'nt spinning...

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Rviscosi

· #7 · Nov 28, 2003

No it can never be too sticky, just launch harder, or if you want some tire spin, don't warm them up and add some air pressure. I would much rather start with a sticky track and adjust than the opposite.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Nov 28, 2003

Rviscosi said:
No it can never be too sticky, just launch harder, or if you want some tire spin, don't warm them up and add some air pressure. I would much rather start with a sticky track and adjust than the opposite.

I hear ya, I never thought I'd say that either..Thats why I'm so puzzeled..I had 25 psi in the tires and hours between each pass so I assumed I'd wanna to heat the meat before staging..Maybe not??Has anyone ever had to launch above 6 grand on stock twins not to bog??If so did it work??

(below is the result of a 6000rpm launch at etown last sunday) still poopy...

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Nov 28, 2003

guess it won't leme post the 6k launch slip..anyways its a

1.961....60

11.641....1/4
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(122.59mph)

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NowWhat?

· #10 · Nov 28, 2003

I'm still dreaming about the day I'll be able to complain about a track being too sticky...

Probably not gonna happen on the West Coast.

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T6Rocket

· #11 · Nov 28, 2003

Too sticky? Just give it more on the line. You need the Turbo Launch 2-step to build boost on the line. I assume you are in TTC mode?

Al

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Nov 28, 2003

No ttc, just sequential..The two step is something I'm thinking about for winter..I've never had problems launching at 52-5500 at other tracks..Again definatly NOT complaining here abot E-town..There track is amazing..Most well prepped track I've ever seen..so well prepped that I couldn't climb out even at 6k..Just looking to see if anyone else has had similar experiences or can add benificial advise as to what to do in this situation??

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WayneCar

· #13 · Nov 29, 2003

"I hear ya, I never thought I'd say that either..Thats why I'm so puzzeled..I had 25 psi in the tires and hours between each pass so I assumed I'd wanna to heat the meat before staging..Maybe not??Has anyone ever had to launch above 6 grand on stock twins not to bog??If so did it work??"
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Yeah, I was running at Mason-Dixon once during
a Super Stock meet back when I had the 6 speed.
I launched at 6k and pulled a 1.822 sixty on a 12.130
@116.10 with a bog. Next pass I left at 6500 rpm and
it hooked with just a little spin on a 1.687 sixty ft
on a [email protected] pass. That was my first 11 second
pass. It may not sound like much, but the only mods
were a bcc, dp,pulled hose, and a drop-in k+n filter.
The cat back was stock as was the clutch. The tires were
nitto DR's.
You made a very stout run for that 60'. You must really
smack 2nd gear well to pull a sub 5 second 330' after a
1.86 sixty. That 1/8th mph isn't shabby either. Congrats!
Wayne

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Nov 29, 2003

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for someone with the same type of experience having trouble digging out on stock twins when the track cond are superior..I will hold the tack at 6500 next time this happens..Good to hear someones had luck wit it..Damn man 11 sec pass with a stock exhaust..Thats pretty crazy..If I had more than 4 runs in 11hrs maybe I would've gotten a chance to try an even higher rpm..uhh such a frustraing day

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